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MSU Drops Algebra From Graduation Requirements
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 7/19/2016 | Derek Draplin

Posted on 07/20/2016 12:30:30 PM PDT by MichCapCon

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To: USMCPOP

I unequivocally state for the record that I “do not know” anything about what you say. :0)


61 posted on 07/20/2016 2:09:58 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MichCapCon

“Can’t read! Can’t write! Kent State!”

The Spartan offensive linemen will have numbers stenciled on their ass. The backs can’t add, so they numbers will help them figure out which gap to run through on running plays.


62 posted on 07/20/2016 2:14:52 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: MichCapCon

Back in the pencil and paper math days, algebra was useful for some figuring. But now with a calculator on every phone with more computing power than the Apollo space capsules, who needs it?


63 posted on 07/20/2016 2:19:41 PM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: poobear
Daughter is studying mechanical engineering

Good for her. I know two gals who graduated from VCU. One is an engineer at the shipyards in Norfolk, was in charge of the heavy crane inspection stuff last I heard. The other works for Dominion Virginia Power, a Senior Fuel Supply Coordinator or some such. Both got scholarships to college on their merits.

My oldest was studying Mech E at VCU until he was killed in Iraq, also on scholarship.

64 posted on 07/20/2016 2:20:09 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: USMCPOP

“I was in the Target store the other day. The young, white male cashier “

Are you sure it was Target?


65 posted on 07/20/2016 2:23:06 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: FreedomPoster

Homeschool students typically take algebra before 8th grade. My engineering student sons find that the average college student - even in a very selective school - is dumber than an Obama/Hillary love child.


66 posted on 07/20/2016 2:33:00 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: JimRed

” But now with a calculator on every phone with more computing power than the Apollo space capsules, who needs it?”

You can’t get to calculus with algebra. You can’t be an engineer without calculus.


67 posted on 07/20/2016 2:34:43 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Boogieman; greeneyes

Ok, fair enough. I never had college algebra, in engineering school we went straight to single variable calculus freshman year, with multivariable and diff e-qs sophomore. They expected good knowledge of algebra, trig, and general pre-calculus mathematics going in.


68 posted on 07/20/2016 2:37:14 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: TexasGator

You can’t even get to geometry, or statistics, without algebra.

Michigan State. Talk about throwing in the towel.


69 posted on 07/20/2016 2:40:06 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: TexasGator
Are you sure it was Target?

Maybe Target with a French accent. Summer hire.

70 posted on 07/20/2016 3:42:46 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: MichCapCon



71 posted on 07/20/2016 4:07:47 PM PDT by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING!)
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To: achilles2000

My older son used to say he had that in grade school (private school). I have some of his notebooks from high school. In the margins, there are doodles of a guy with what looks like a headache. Caption is “AP Calculus Hurts.” That and doodles of Bin Laden getting his head blown off. Good boy.


72 posted on 07/20/2016 4:24:04 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: achilles2000

My older son used to say he had that in grade school (private school). I have some of his notebooks from high school. In the margins, there are doodles of a guy with what looks like a headache. Caption is “AP Calculus Hurts.” That and doodles of Bin Laden getting his head blown off. Good boy.


73 posted on 07/20/2016 4:24:17 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: HangnJudge
College calculus ain't beanbag. Unless a HS grad was very strong in advanced placement algebra, trig and geometry and thus could legitimately test out of these then college level classes should be mandatory.

I am a double STEM major, microbiology and chemical engineering. For the microbiology, algebra only was adequate although a watered down non-calculas physics was substituted for straight physics.

For chemical engineering, a sophomore categorized intro to ChE was used as a major weed out class. You had to have 25 ACT score (the general engineering college requirement) to even enroll in the intro class. Seventy people at the start of the class and 17 survivors at the end. BTW, a 27 ACT was required for entry to the ChE program, which is was all JR/SR level.

The only STEM major likely available to non-calculas folks will be the biological sciences at the BS level and some aspects of MS specialties. For the calculus areas, most all students would fail along the way if they tried to get by with only the HS level maths when they get started with the harder maths starting in the sophomore year.

74 posted on 07/20/2016 4:28:36 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Hootowl99
Pardon the scattered typos.... Blasted smart phone won't scroll down to let me fix. Lol...
75 posted on 07/20/2016 4:31:30 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: oh8eleven

Instead of algebra, Perhaps all college students should take a statistics course.


76 posted on 07/20/2016 4:54:10 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: JimRed

who needs it?

After I had radiation treatment, I had a doctor ask me to start at 98 and subtract 7 then count backwards. So I said 91,84,77,70,63,56,49 and he interrupted me. OK, that’s enough. I asked why he asked me that question. He said that exercise uses a part of your brain that is rarely used. He was checking for damage from the radiation.

There is people who cannot comprehend the concepts that algebra uses. They have a deficiency in their brain that prevents them from learning it.


77 posted on 07/20/2016 6:09:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.")
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To: rfreedom4u

Middle school math.


78 posted on 07/20/2016 7:31:52 PM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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To: Gamecock

#25 To get to 21 you must be counting your little pinkie..... : )


79 posted on 07/20/2016 8:36:03 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Hootowl99

I have tutored college calc. What you say is true. I’ve seen people who breezed through HS precalc and calc classes do faceplants when they had to take a college calc class.

Most schools use calc I/II as a weedout course for STEM majors and the problems are several steps up in difficulty from most/all AP calc classes. Having good solid college algebra and trig classes beforehand really helps people succeed.


80 posted on 07/20/2016 11:03:12 PM PDT by Eisenhower Republican (Supervillains for Trump: "Because evil pays better!")
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