Posted on 10/20/2016 7:47:19 AM PDT by Elderberry
Whatever you say.
I don’t own a 1911. I have spent years reading people discussing how they sand this, tweak that, and need to fire XXX (or XXXX) rounds before trusting it. I’ve watched folks at the range struggling to get one to shoot consistently even 20 rounds.
I prefer my revolvers. But my S&W Shield and Beretta Pico are shooting great without tweaking. My experience with the Pico is a bit out of the ordinary, but I’ve met a lot of folks with Shields and Glocks who are waiting for their first FTF or FTE...
I understand old school. I carry a 686 more often than the Shield, and I may sell the Shield as having no role to play. I also carry a J-frame frequently. But the new polymer guns ARE proving very reliable.
My son has a CZ75. I like it a lot! I want one for myself.
I’ve got several Glock 17’s. Love em. I liked so grip so much I purchased a couple of frames (very easy to buy, but requires ffl) and went with the Mechtech Glock 9mm upper and voila. A nice 9mm carbine that can use my 15 and 33 round Glock mags.
Does anyone know what the testing regimen is like?
I copied the following from a CZ release when they received a NATO Approval:
http://cz-usa.com/press-release/cz-p-01-gets-nato-approval-the-next-generation-of-perfect-pistols/
The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.
Must be able to complete the following without failure:
4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.
Safety requirements:
Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.
3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.
After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.
The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests.
These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.
The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.
Dunno.
I think Ol’ John Moses Browning took things a step further with Browning Hi-Power. Too bad it was in 9mm.
I’ve heard that there are .45 cal versions of the Browning HP, but that they are rare and expensive.
I prefer a true revolver, never jams, dependable, and well trained, you don’t need 30 shots ...
“XD. I have 3 and love them all.”
Agreed. I have the XD40 and the XDM 5.25 with some trigger work. Both great guns. Just wish they were made here.
I have a Rock Island GI 1911 that is utterly dependable.
I know what you are saying about revolvers. I have run over 10,000 rounds of cast/3.2gr Bullseye loads thru one of my Model 36s. Never a hick-up. With even a sweet double action pull on a revolver, I prefer a single action squeeze whenever possible.
Marine Corps training taught me that the only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to a shotgun. I initially shot and qualified with a 1911 and then later with the 92F.
I didn’t like the Beretta primarily because the double-stacked grip was something I was not used to. The maturation of 9mm ammunition over time has convinced the FBI to take a second pass at outfitting their agents with Glocks in 9 millimeter. Seeing how the 1911 will never come back and probably shouldn’t at this point, the criteria that the Austrian military placed upon Glock initially in the early eighties and (which can be found on the Wiki page for Glock) shows the reader the extensive criteria that was laid out for those companies competing for a contract. Glock won the contract meeting all criteria, the model 17 was adopted for the Austrian military and for other military and police departments wworldwide.
At this point in time I think probably a Glock 17 would fit the bill for the military and given the fact that the pistol is a fairly close range weapon,that is to say within ten yards, and is a weapon that doesn’t need to be anything other than what it is - an extension of the hand. The real Weaponry lies in the shoulder arms that are employed. I think a Glock 17 would fit the bill perfectly and meets a stringent quality control requirement from an Armament standpoint.
S&W has already been ruled out, for whatever reason.
Specifically designed to kill Juramentados.
But Beretta put their safety/decocking lever on the slide. A bad placement. Taurus fixed that, so like the 1911 the lever is on the frame ... and their copy is superior to the Beretta M9.
Agreed.
Love the M&P 9mm. Shot thousands of rounds through it and have never had any issues with its reliability or accuracy.
Certainly hope an American company wins the contract.
Might weight differences be a consideration for carrying the piece in full gear?
For sure, there is a big difference in weight between a steel gun and a plastic one.
And we now have to think of the transgendered.../s
I believe you meant to say "...fight your way back to your rifle, unless they changed that since the '70's.
Semper Fi!
You smoke Buddha I’m sure
Boy that thought brought back mid 70s memories
And Buddha was pricey
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