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Evolution can occur quickly and change how populations interact [Lab demonstration]
Cornell University ^ | 03 July 2006 | Susan Lang

Posted on 07/10/2006 11:21:37 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Biologists generally accept that evolutionary change can take from decades to millennia, while ecological change can occur over mere days or seasons. However, a new Cornell study shows that evolution and ecology can operate on the same time scale.

When evolution occurs so quickly, the researchers conclude, it can change how populations of various species interact. Ecologists need to consider such evolutionary dynamics in their studies because evolution could affect populations being studied. This insight is critical to predicting the recovery time needed for threatened populations or for predicting disease dynamics, says Justin Meyer '04, who conducted the study as an undergraduate student with Cornell ecologists Stephen Ellner, Nelson Hairston and colleagues.

To observe ecological and evolutionary changes together, the researchers monitored the ecological fluctuations in a model predator-prey laboratory system: a microscopic organism called a rotifer that eats a single-celled algae.

Meyer developed a method to track genetic changes, and the researchers found that as the prey population fluctuated, the algae "evolved" from a type that grows quickly to a type that resists being eaten. The frequency of the algal-genotype changes in response to rotifer population flux clearly demonstrated the synchronicity of ecological and evolutionary time.

The study is published in the July 11 issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


TOPICS: Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevolist; enoughalready; pavlovian; pingtheusualsuspects
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To: Old Professer

>>How, exactly does algae resist being eaten, I wonder...<<

It doesn't taste like chicken.


41 posted on 07/10/2006 12:32:16 PM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: Doc Savage

"brainwahed"

Were you calling brother Pat a Brainwad, or were you saying he was brainwashed? It almost looks like a small spasm occurred on that word.


42 posted on 07/10/2006 12:32:52 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: editor-surveyor
>>What is happening here is most likely a step toward extinction for one variety, while another is opportunistically advancing it's numbers. No speciation, nor even adaptive adjustment; just a change in population demographics.<<

That is what I have been trying to say in my posts, but you said it better and much more succinctly. :)
43 posted on 07/10/2006 12:33:24 PM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: MineralMan
You have to listen really closely. The resistant algae say, whenever the rotifer approaches, "You don't want to eat me.

Dolt! The intelligent designer issues a restraining order.

44 posted on 07/10/2006 12:34:10 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: MineralMan

The Force has a strong influence on the weak minded. ;)


45 posted on 07/10/2006 12:35:42 PM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: Robwin

"Who woulda guessed? And?"

And... evolution is real, and the 6000 year old earth theory loses another feather. Seems like all the feathers that have been plucked since the days of Galileo, the bird wouldn't have any feathers left.


46 posted on 07/10/2006 12:37:46 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Doc Savage
"I'd expect a true secular, anti-God, Darwin sychophant like yourself to go down with his sinking ship, but really, this is pathetic."

You need to review the posting guidelines. Or maybe even the book you claim to follow. Would Jesus have posted a post such as yours?
47 posted on 07/10/2006 12:39:58 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Hey...who you callin' a dolt, then? Why...why...you're little more than a...a...dimwit. There! I've said it!

[grin]


48 posted on 07/10/2006 12:42:05 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: All

We're now in Chat. Congratulations to all the trolls who helped to make this move possible.


49 posted on 07/10/2006 12:42:39 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: RobRoy

"The Force has a strong influence on the weak minded. ;)"

Learning fast you are.


50 posted on 07/10/2006 12:42:46 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: PatrickHenry

I see "General Chat" is on duty again.


51 posted on 07/10/2006 12:43:28 PM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"Would Jesus have posted a post such as yours?
"

Nah! He'd have just zotted the whole thread, or moved it to Chat or something like that.....;>}


52 posted on 07/10/2006 12:44:29 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan

You're earlier post cracked me up. I was thinking the algae said, "You don't want to eat me. These aren't the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business..."


53 posted on 07/10/2006 12:48:23 PM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: RobRoy

"You're earlier post cracked me up. I was thinking the algae said, "You don't want to eat me. These aren't the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business...""

Yeah. I had the same scene in mind. I'm afraid I just can't take any of these threads too seriously. There's just too much opportunity for humor in them. Good catch!


54 posted on 07/10/2006 12:51:14 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: PatrickHenry; RobRoy
You do realize that this undergrad is making an extraordinary claim, don't you? Observable evolution in the time it takes to write a Master's thesis?

Since you dove right in and took the bait, and proceeded to proclaim this as evolution in the laboratory, and accepted her experiment without qualification, I propose that they continue with this experiment to validate their absurd claims. I know it can hurt for darwinists to actually follow a premise to conclusion, but keep reading and I promise it won't hurt TOO much.

My conjecture is that the resistant algae existed in the population, and only came to the fore when it became obvious that the resistant ones were the only ones still undergoing mitosis (the rest were eaten, of course).

WHERE THIS CAN BE DISPROVED is if she were to then take the fully-resistant algae (and this time, ONLY the resistant algae, not a mixed sample with both resistant and fast-growing algae) and introduce it into an environment that DID NOT FAVOR resistance, but rather favored FAST GROWTH. In fact, make it so that their little cellular lives DEPENDED on fast growth, just like in the first experiment, if you want to be dramatic.

If she guarantees that the population starts with ONLY those algae that are resistant, then she should be able to reverse the conditions in the first test, and "evolve" them back to the way they supposedly were when they were supposed to favor fast growth and not resistance.

It won't work, of course. You know it, I know it, and she knows it -- but hey, don't let a nice story and a thesis premise get in the way of logic.

Either they can cause laboratory evolution, or they can't. If they can (and they have now stated that they CAN), they can reverse the changes.

Should make for a nice Doctoral thesis this time.

Of course, there won't BE a doctoral thesis, because the experiment will prove that she had a contaminated population to begin with when she is unable to reverse the changes from a non-contaminated population of resistant-only algae to a population of fast-growing algae.

55 posted on 07/10/2006 12:52:32 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (Darwinists lack critical thinking skills.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Pigeons. It's amazing how adaptable they are - and are yet one species... Darwin loved 'em - quite a pigeon fancier.

And the funny thing is... no matter how "far out" the breeding went, subsequent generations always returned to the archetype. They could only go so far. Yin. Yang. Theses. Antithesis. And always back to sythesis...

56 posted on 07/10/2006 12:54:11 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

I was quite shocked to find that there are over 100,000 hits on Google for "sythesis."


57 posted on 07/10/2006 1:00:27 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Lexinom

"Pigeons. It's amazing how adaptable they are - and are yet one species..."

Um no, there are many many species of pigeons. Try again.


58 posted on 07/10/2006 1:01:18 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping!


59 posted on 07/10/2006 1:03:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


60 posted on 07/10/2006 1:04:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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