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The pitbull nanny dog "An Endangered Species
Tuscon Examiner ^ | August, 2009 | Shelly Bright

Posted on 08/05/2009 6:44:24 AM PDT by meandog

To some, the "Pitbull type" dog is a genetic ticking time-bomb of violence bred to be a fighting machine, but to many others this dog is a phenomenal and gentle canine companion whose sole purpose is to please the humans that love them.

The Pitbull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family. Many breed-specific laws use the term "pit bull" to refer to the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Terrier, and dogs with significant mixes of these breeds.

All of these tenacious dogs have one thing in common, an undeniable desire, determination and perseverance to please their masters, even fighting to their death under the guidance of Man in exploitation of this breed for violent entertainment.

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1 posted on 08/05/2009 6:44:24 AM PDT by meandog
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To: meandog

Those dogs snap. They’re untrustworthy.


2 posted on 08/05/2009 6:45:47 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: Fawn
Bred specifically for violence and "gameness", it is in their DNA.

you can't undo DNA.

3 posted on 08/05/2009 6:48:29 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: meandog

4 posted on 08/05/2009 6:55:00 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: meandog
What this law has shown is its inhumanity in its entirety. Eradicating, annihilating, and obliterating an entire breed of dog that was once our nation's icon, a three-times decorated war hero, a national symbol of dedication and bravery, and the poster dog of America.

The only breed of dog that has American as part of its name. The logo of the RCA record company with the tilted head, listening to its master voice.

My pit died 2 years ago at age 13 best dog I ever had, she birthed 33 puppies in just two litters, amazing!

5 posted on 08/05/2009 6:56:22 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Fawn
Those dogs snap. They’re untrustworthy.

A trait reflected in their defenders.

6 posted on 08/05/2009 6:58:04 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: nuconvert

Daddy & Junior!!! Daddy is getting old, so Junior is taking over for Cesar.


7 posted on 08/05/2009 7:00:47 AM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: thirst4truth

“The only breed of dog that has American as part of its name.”: American Bandogge Mastiff, American Black and Tan Coonhound, American Blue Gascon Hound, American Bull Dogue De Bordeaux, American Bull Mastiff, American Bull Molosser,
American Bulldog, American Bullnese, American Bullnese Hybrid, American Bully, American Cocker Spaniel, American Crested Sand Terrier, American Eagle Dog, American Eskimo Dog, American Foxhound, American Gointer, American Hairless Terrier, American Indian Dog, American Lo-Sze Pugg, American Mastiff, American Rat Pinscher, American Staghound, American Toy Terrier, American Treeing Feist,
American Tundra Shepherd Dog, American Water Spaniel, American White Shepherd.

“The logo of the RCA record company with the tilted head, listening to its master voice.”: That’s a Fox Terrier, not a Pit or Staffy (http://home.rca.com/en-US/PressReleaseDetail.html?Cat=RCAHistory&MN=11)


8 posted on 08/05/2009 8:29:55 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: thirst4truth

“The only breed of dog that has American as part of its name.”: American Bandogge Mastiff, American Black and Tan Coonhound, American Blue Gascon Hound, American Bull Dogue De Bordeaux, American Bull Mastiff, American Bull Molosser,
American Bulldog, American Bullnese, American Bullnese Hybrid, American Bully, American Cocker Spaniel, American Crested Sand Terrier, American Eagle Dog, American Eskimo Dog, American Foxhound, American Gointer, American Hairless Terrier, American Indian Dog, American Lo-Sze Pugg, American Mastiff, American Rat Pinscher, American Staghound, American Toy Terrier, American Treeing Feist,
American Tundra Shepherd Dog, American Water Spaniel, American White Shepherd.

“The logo of the RCA record company with the tilted head, listening to its master voice.”: That’s a Fox Terrier, not a Pit or Staffy (http://home.rca.com/en-US/PressReleaseDetail.html?Cat=RCAHistory&MN=11)


9 posted on 08/05/2009 8:31:32 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: bustinchops

Oops, sorry about the double post.


10 posted on 08/05/2009 8:37:28 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: bustinchops; thirst4truth
The logo of the RCA record company with the tilted head, listening to its master voice.”: That’s a Fox Terrier, not a Pit or Staffy (http://home.rca.com/en-US/PressReleaseDetail.html?Cat=RCAHistory&MN=11)

"Nipper," was actually part Bull Terrier and part Fox Terrier click here and the Buster Brown dog sure looks like a pit!


11 posted on 08/05/2009 8:44:21 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: meandog

Our Pit stands guard when the kids are outside, he’s always watching what is around them - which is good since there has been 2 bear sightings within 6 miles of my house in the past week.


12 posted on 08/05/2009 8:50:42 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: meandog

Well, Nipper was RCA’s logo and they say he was a Fox terrier.

The “bully” type terriers descended from the molossers and have similar physical characteristics, although they vary a lot in size. If the Buster Brown dog artwork (great pic - thanks) is proportionately accurate to the boy (Buster), he’s not a Pit. The dog’s head would be as large as Buster’s.


13 posted on 08/05/2009 8:52:22 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: meandog
I had big hopes that this post was going to about Democratic women serving in The House and Senate.

Having said that, I'm quite sure the the “nanny bulls” have many more redeeming qualities than the women mentioned above.

14 posted on 08/05/2009 8:53:13 AM PDT by oyez
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To: meandog

Petey, The Beloved.

15 posted on 08/05/2009 8:57:24 AM PDT by oyez
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To: bustinchops

It could be a boston terrier...but it definitely is a terrier breed!


16 posted on 08/05/2009 9:03:40 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: meandog

I’ve had three. Best dogs ever. I send $50.00 a month in their memory to my city pitbull rescue (more if the cretinous bigots we run into on this website tick me off).


17 posted on 08/05/2009 9:06:52 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, Mr. Obama, please don't kill my gramma! NO on socialist healthcare!)
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To: Fawn; meandog; thirst4truth

Dogs are what their masters make them. If you mistreat, starve, brutalize, and train it to be vicious, it will be.

You could do the same to a Lab or a Golden Retriever, arguably two of the most gentle breeds out there.

If a specific, INDIVIDUAL dog is vicious and poses a danger to people, fine - humanely remove it.

PEOPLE are the problem, not the dog. I have known many owners with “Pit Bulls” and those dogs are the same as any other dog. Maybe they’re a bit on the tougher side, but the ones that I’ve encountered have been loving, loyal animals that have NEVER hurt anyone.

The term “Pit Bull” is sorta like “Assault Rifle” - it’s deliberately misleading, calculatedly threatening, and stupid terminology with an agenda behind it, designed to frighten the uninformed and stampede the herd.

And for the record, whenever I hear talk of “eradicating an entire breed”, my hackles go up. If I were a “Pit Bull” owner, there’d be some SERIOUS problems for ANYONE trying to take my dog(s) for “eradication”. And I do mean serious problems.

Where do we draw the line with these stupid laws and equally stupid lawmakers? For that matter, do we even draw the line anywhere, anymore?

I know I do.


18 posted on 08/05/2009 9:18:51 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: NFHale
Dogs are what their masters make them. If you mistreat, starve, brutalize, and train it to be vicious, it will be. You could do the same to a Lab or a Golden Retriever, arguably two of the most gentle breeds out there. If a specific, INDIVIDUAL dog is vicious and poses a danger to people, fine - humanely remove it. PEOPLE are the problem, not the dog. I have known many owners with “Pit Bulls” and those dogs are the same as any other dog. Maybe they’re a bit on the tougher side, but the ones that I’ve encountered have been loving, loyal animals that have NEVER hurt anyone. The term “Pit Bull” is sorta like “Assault Rifle” - it’s deliberately misleading, calculatedly threatening, and stupid terminology with an agenda behind it, designed to frighten the uninformed and stampede the herd. And for the record, whenever I hear talk of “eradicating an entire breed”, my hackles go up. If I were a “Pit Bull” owner, there’d be some SERIOUS problems for ANYONE trying to take my dog(s) for “eradication”. And I do mean serious problems. Where do we draw the line with these stupid laws and equally stupid lawmakers? For that matter, do we even draw the line anywhere, anymore? I know I do.

Amen Brother! You're preaching to the choir!

19 posted on 08/05/2009 9:24:09 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: meandog

Yeah, definitely looks like a Boston Terrier.


20 posted on 08/05/2009 9:29:45 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

We rescued one last month. She was a sweetie, although we’re generally somewhat wary of the breed. She was a youngster. We found her a good home out on a ranch. We had to keep her separated from our Jack Russell so it was a hassle, but such is life.


21 posted on 08/05/2009 9:32:50 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: nuconvert

That one on the left doesn’t look like a Pit. It looks like a Bandog.


22 posted on 08/05/2009 9:34:25 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: meandog

Years back I raised them with no problem ever they had UKC papers I had Staffordshire’s also with AKC papers again never a problem. When we were kids they were around and could take the roughhousing and comeback for more they were our first line of defense against a rabid animal, the trouble started when dumb-asses line bred them and they made the news down here big time.


23 posted on 08/05/2009 9:37:21 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: bustinchops

That’s Junior. My guess is he’s a mix of several breeds.


24 posted on 08/05/2009 9:43:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: meandog

Slogan:

“My name’s Buster Brown, I live in a shoe. That’s my dog Tide, he lives in there too!”

There was a picture of them in each shoe.

I used to sell them


25 posted on 08/05/2009 9:58:01 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: NFHale

That’s not entirely true. Molossers are ancient dogs that fall into two main types - the true mountain type molosser and those molossers that have been cross-bred with bull dog types. There is a third type that isn’t bred for molosser characteristics but still have molosser blood. At any rate, they have been bred for certain characteristics and occasionally there are bad strains that create a line of the breed with unpredictable behaviors.

I’m not knocking Pits, but there have been more people killed and attacked/injured by Pits than any other breed. If you’re going to keep Pits, you (meaning anybody) would be wise to keep a close watch on them for certain behaviors and characteristics that may not be seen for ten years in the dog and then, boom, next day they’re there. It is not a breed for the inexperienced and should be watched carefully around children and other animals. They MUST have careful, firm training, repeated and reinforced regularly.

It’s not just Pits. There are a whole lot of dogs in the same category - it’s just that Pits and their close relatives are vastly more common than the other bully type molossers.

All molossers are SERIOUS dogs and should be given firm obedience training by someone who knows what they’re doing and should never be trifled with.


26 posted on 08/05/2009 9:59:38 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: Syncro

Was it “Tide” or “Tige”? ...I used to wear them.


27 posted on 08/05/2009 10:07:40 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: Cheetahcat
Years back I raised them with no problem ever they had UKC papers I had Staffordshire’s also with AKC papers again never a problem. When we were kids they were around and could take the roughhousing and comeback for more they were our first line of defense against a rabid animal, the trouble started when dumb-asses line bred them and they made the news down here big time.

You can walk up to any UKC or AKC "so-called pitbull" and they will probably lick your face. Dog agression toward's handlers, competitors or judges in the show ring means a lifetime ban!

28 posted on 08/05/2009 10:11:58 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: meandog
Thank you for posting.

There's a lot in these photos the vicious among us will not see. They can't see it; it isn't in their nature, but it certainly exists in the dog and baby.

29 posted on 08/05/2009 10:12:11 AM PDT by ARridgerunner
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To: bustinchops
Molossers/bull mixes are great dogs. I have a friend who knew a guy who claimed his life was saved by one while walking through grizzly bear country.

Molosser taking on a bull


30 posted on 08/05/2009 10:20:12 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: NFHale

You can’t train ‘personality’.


31 posted on 08/05/2009 10:20:49 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: nuconvert

Cute face - looks like a youngster. Unusual color.


32 posted on 08/05/2009 10:26:28 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: meandog

No photo shows, but I have no doubt that’s true. Molossers can have stunning courage and strength.


33 posted on 08/05/2009 10:29:39 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: bustinchops
No photo shows, but I have no doubt that’s true. Molossers can have stunning courage and strength.

click here

34 posted on 08/05/2009 10:40:52 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: meandog
Oh my gosh, you are right!

I always though it was Tide, cause I heard it so often and my thypo infected ears heard Tide.

Thanks, and I am crestfallen!

But then I thought the song “Poetry in motion” said “Oh a tree in motion”

: > )

35 posted on 08/05/2009 10:42:13 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: meandog; bustinchops

It only works if you copy the url and put it in the address line.

http://csac.bravehost.com/curro-agarre.JPG

Don’t click, cut and paste and it works


36 posted on 08/05/2009 10:45:56 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: meandog

Agreed the trouble started when backyard breeders started producing these Questionable Dogs with no papers


37 posted on 08/05/2009 11:21:04 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Syncro

Thanks. Wow, what a k-9!


38 posted on 08/05/2009 11:23:52 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: meandog; nuconvert
From the article:

"The terror, invasion of privacy and anxiety I experienced was very real and frightening. To imagine the horrors of what all the other family's felt when their pet dog is actually ripped from their protection, taken away with no information given, no visitation, and then learning of their mistreatment and neglect is beyond human comprehension."

This a MUST READ, whether you're a dog lover or not.

It contains examples of EVERYTHING that goes wrong when government has too much power.

There is a pit bull at the house where I live. He looks like "Daddy" (Cesar's dog). He's a sweetheart- very gentle dog.

39 posted on 08/05/2009 11:31:47 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: bustinchops

My best friend, Red, was 7 years old and was within days of being consigned to the Humane Society deathcamp. The elderly couple who owned him were bound for an “adult community” which only allowed purse dogs. I was mourning my old pit “Brunhilde” and was really not ready for a replacement but I took Red anyway. I will never regret it. He and I rambled all over the West and never had a sad day.

I’m glad you found that puppy a ranch. That’s where they’re happiest.


40 posted on 08/05/2009 2:29:34 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, Mr. Obama, please don't kill my gramma! NO on socialist healthcare!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Dogs are just the finest creatures, and I thank God for them. I love and appreciate them all while keeping a healthy respect for their capabilities. If I could, I’d spend all my time trying to find good homes for the lost, the old, and the unwanted.

I’m happy to hear you had a wonderful relationship with your buddy. Those are memories to treasure forever. Do you presently have a pooch?


41 posted on 08/05/2009 7:02:01 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: Cheetahcat

Papers don’t mean anything anymore and haven’t for a long, long time.


42 posted on 08/05/2009 7:31:28 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: thirst4truth
>The only breed of dog that has American as part of its name.<

Never heard of an American Water Spaniel I imagine...


43 posted on 08/05/2009 8:27:07 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: bustinchops

“Papers don’t mean anything anymore and haven’t for a long, long time.”

That is a shame.


44 posted on 08/05/2009 8:55:18 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: bustinchops
I’m happy to hear you had a wonderful relationship with your buddy. Those are memories to treasure forever. Do you presently have a pooch?>/i>

For the last ten years I've had Stella. Affectionate, gentle and funny.

45 posted on 08/05/2009 9:16:31 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, Mr. Obama, please don't kill my gramma! NO on socialist healthcare!)
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To: meandog

46 posted on 08/05/2009 9:18:02 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

What breed is Stella?


47 posted on 08/06/2009 1:38:23 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: bustinchops

APBT of course. :)


48 posted on 08/06/2009 5:51:57 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, Mr. Obama, please don't kill my gramma! NO on socialist healthcare!)
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To: allmendream

Are you saying the photo is a result from a APBT attack? It is a tragedy but could be any breed of dog


49 posted on 08/06/2009 7:39:21 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: bustinchops; Fawn; meandog

“..All molossers are SERIOUS dogs and should be given firm obedience training by someone who knows what they’re doing and should never be trifled with...”

Granted - and they shouldn’t be beaten, brutalized, starved, trained to attack and kill (by using tied-up labradors or other “gentler” breeds), etc., etc. either. Definitely agree with the obediance training.

I grew up in the city; I saw *ssh*le ghetto thugsters who thought it cool to use these animals as fighting dogs to display how “tough” the owners thought they were.

Dogs are truly the best friend humans ever had (maybe horses too) - they only act as they are trained to act.

bustinchops, I respect the knowledge that you put forth on the molosser. There was a lot in what you said that I was not aware of. Where did the term “Molosser” come from? Does that include Mastiffs?

My beef with all this is the “eradication of the breed” concept that was in the article. Infuriates me (and for the record, I don’t even OWN a “pit bull” - I own Labs, Beagles, and Retrievers).

Fawn: Sure you can train “personality” - if you abuse something often enough, it will become nasty and have a mean/violent disposition. That’s Pavlovian conditioning. If you treat it with firm kindness, training, and patience, it will react differently. Sure, there may be an inherent streak in certain breeds, but brutal treatment simply exacerbates it.

No quarrel, folks. Moving on.


50 posted on 08/06/2009 9:14:05 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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