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Prizefight week of October 22 Microsoft Windows 7 vs. Apple Snow Leopard
CNet Reviews ^ | 10/22/2009 | Josh Lowensohn, Rafe Needleman, and Seth Rosenblatt

Posted on 10/22/2009 10:20:07 PM PDT by Swordmaker

The contenders: Microsoft Windows 7 vs. Apple Snow Leopard

Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional)



Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard

It's not often that the two most popular operating systems get major updates so close to each other, so we couldn't resist throwing them into a cage match together. Already we can hear some of you screaming that Snow Leopard isn't a major update--we know this one's personal! But is Windows 7 nothing more than "Vista done right"?

Microsoft's severe stumble with Vista aside, Windows 7 clearly positions the operating system for the future, with a new look that integrates heavily with the new features. Snow Leopard, too, is geared toward the future, saving you space on your hard drive and including some useful new tricks that Microsoft still lacks.

The judges for this Prizefight hardly shy away from telling you what they think about software, webware, and the operating systems you need to get to all those goodies. Now, everybody's got their opinion on the great Apple versus Microsoft debate, but for a few minutes, suspend your disbelief as they explain which operating system is better and why.

(Excerpt) Read more at reviews.cnet.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: ilovebillgates; iwanthim; iwanthimbad; microsoftfanboys; osxsnowleopard; windows7
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To: AFreeBird
See my post No. 40.

I should add that my quad core and motherboard cost $119 at Fry's (it was a good sale, it's now over $200), the 4GB memory cost $30, I already had the hard drives and a 512MB graphic card, and I used a case I bought 3 years ago for about $40. I have a 600 watt power supply. The thing runs like a dream.

Installing Mac took some study, but once you do it, it is not too hard to do on subsequent machines. I have it on my laptop and my desktop PCs. If you do it the right way, it is more difficult, because you have to modify some files on your legal Mac OS disk. If you download one of the many Hackintosh disks from the internet, you might be able to install just like you would on a Mac. The only tricky part is making sure you have drivers for all your peripherals. There are drivers for just about every peripheral out there, but you have to seek and find the Mac version. Some, like my Airlink wi-fi card, have drivers from their Taiwanese manufacturer. The web sites I referenced are good places to go to find drivers.

A hint to those of you who have access to a .edu email address: Windows 7 is $30 to students. You can get the Home or Professional edition for that price.

41 posted on 10/23/2009 1:31:15 PM PDT by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: Defiant

Legally purchased =/= legally used.


42 posted on 10/23/2009 5:42:04 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Swordmaker
Thanks Swordmaker.
43 posted on 10/23/2009 5:50:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: 6SJ7

/bingo


44 posted on 10/23/2009 5:53:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Loud Mime
I’m still learning, but there’s no doubt that it is the best Windows yet.

From what I've experienced, read, and seen, it is.

45 posted on 10/24/2009 12:04:58 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: CheneyChick

I like it... Consider it borrowed for use in Mac Pings...

46 posted on 10/24/2009 12:07:49 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Not necessarily. Apple takes the position that the license allows it to tell you what machine you can put their software on after you buy their software. Others, including a good number of IP attorneys, differ with that position. It is not a settled issue.


47 posted on 10/24/2009 12:08:25 AM PDT by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: HAL9000
I purchased my first Microsoft products in 1978. They had very good technology back then. I disassembled some of Bill Gates' code, and it was evident that he was a clever programmer. He had some wild tricks for fitting his code into a small memory space. That was the peak of Microsoft's technical quality, a long time ago when they handcrafted their code to make every byte count.

You had to... RAM was expensive. In 1980 I programed a Vic-20 in machine language to emulate a roulette wheel, complete with the sound of a decelerating bouncing ball, a whir of the rotating wheel and a display on the screen of the wheel, resolving to an image of the ball in the pocket of a slot on the wheel... with a quasi-random number generator to determine the slot. When I was finished, I had ONE byte of the 3583 Bytes of suser RAM space left. Any changes that used that one byte resulted in a crash. It was the wonder of my Lodge's annual casino night!

48 posted on 10/24/2009 12:16:51 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: montag813
Also, boot camp is NOT 100% PC . . .

BS, Montag.. Nothing "runs" under Boot Camp. Boot Camp is merely a partitioning software that will re-partition the Mac Hard drive and format if for Windows use, and a set of drivers to make certain Mac portions of the hardware—such as the EFI, the multi-touch track pad and Mac keyboard—work under Windows. When the Mac is booted from the Windows partition, it IS a Windows PC.

49 posted on 10/24/2009 12:26:06 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: montag813
For the most part none of the major 3d films are done on either Macs OR PCs.

I think you are right on 3D films, but here are some feature films made with Macs...


50 posted on 10/24/2009 1:12:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: montag813

Most of the big render farms are probably using Linux clusters.

LinuxMovies.org claims that Linux is the #1 operating system in Hollywood.


51 posted on 10/24/2009 1:21:19 AM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: montag813
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Pixar used custom Linux worstations running their insanely awesome Marionette with Renderman software to create Wall-E. Not Macs.

""No big surprise here: when Apple introduced the G5 at 2003 WWDC, it become more a question of 'when' Pixar will move to G5s, than 'if'). At the same conference, Apple showed a new codec for Mac OS X named 'Pixlet,' developed with Pixar. In last year O'Reilly's Mac OS X conference, there was a presentation on how Pixar moved their desktop/office environment to Mac OS X. Now it seems it's the main production work: 'Apple's Don Peebeles said that Pixar has used Linux and Intel-based architecture in 2003, but that Pixar was switching to Mac OS X and G5 workstations for its production work: Peebles went on to say that this switch was "a move that no doubt made common CEO Steve Jobs very happy."'"—Source.
On Pixar's own website, in a slide show of "How We Do It" they show a picture of part of the start of the animation process... with two screens displaying Mac OS X with what appears to be Renderman.

Incidentally, Renderman Maya, Renderman Studio, and Renderman Pro are available and run well on OS X.

Then there is this shot of Pixar Animation Director Lee Unkrich—Co-Director of Finding Nemo, Monsters, Inc., Toy Story 2, and who is currently directing “Toy Story 3”—in his office:

That sure likes like dual screens for his Mac Pro under his desk, one of them a 30" Cinema Display... yup, that's what he says... Dual screens for his Mac Pro. I wonder what he does with it. Got any ideas?

52 posted on 10/24/2009 2:49:15 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

It’s a very nice kitty. Kind of smacks at the whole “Macs are Toys” thing. Of course the fruity iMacs were kind of fun....

By the way, I checked out the new Magic Mouse yesterday at the Apple Store. A very sleek design - I like it! The multi-touch feature is very nice.


53 posted on 10/24/2009 2:28:58 PM PDT by CheneyChick (01/20/2013)
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To: Defiant; Mr. Blonde
Not necessarily. Apple takes the position that the license allows it to tell you what machine you can put their software on after you buy their software. Others, including a good number of IP attorneys, differ with that position. It is not a settled issue.

You ARE NOT buying the software. If you bought the software, you would be able to do anything you want with it include duplicate it, sell copies, modify it, license it to others, put your name on it, claim authorship, etc. Apple has no intention of relinquishing its ownership and control. In fact, Apple retains ownership rights to the software.

What you ARE buying is a strictly limited license; a written, binding permit granting you permission from Apple, the owner of the software, to use Apple's property under a certain enumerated set of specified circumstances for the lifetime of the patents and copyrights that attach to the software, or for a specified shorter period.

In other words, you are buying the RIGHT to use the software, not the software itself. Once you have paid Apple for permission to use their software, Apple is OBLIGATED to permit you to use it so long as you adhere to the Software License Agreement. Conversely, once Apple has granted you that permission, you are OBLIGATED to use that software in the manner outlined in the license agreement. If you don't your permission is revoked and you MUST STOP using it. How Apple delivers that software to you in furtherance of your permission to use the software, on disk, electronically, written on a napkin, is irrelevant.

54 posted on 10/25/2009 12:36:19 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
You just exquisitely stated Apple's position. Do you work for Apple?

What they can prevent you from doing after you buy it from them is not a decided issue. There are cases right now on whether the dead hand of Apple can sell software and call it a license and continue to dictate to you what you do with it. There was a recent case on a similar issue that went against a CAD software company. There may be antitrust or state fair business practices that intervene to prevent Apple from telling people what they can do with purchased software, preventing them from using it on competing hardware. It is not just a matter of what Apple says goes.

55 posted on 10/25/2009 8:19:56 AM PDT by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: Swordmaker

I think I saw an episode about you on Breaking Vegas.


56 posted on 10/25/2009 8:31:08 AM PDT by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: Defiant
You just exquisitely stated Apple's position. Do you work for Apple?

Nope.

What they can prevent you from doing after you buy it from them is not a decided issue.

You are still operating under the misapprehension that you have bought the software from the publisher. You have not. You have bought permission to use it. You have bought a contract...

There are cases right now on whether the dead hand of Apple can sell software and call it a license and continue to dictate to you what you do with it. There was a recent case on a similar issue that went against a CAD software company. There may be antitrust or state fair business practices that intervene to prevent Apple from telling people what they can do with purchased software, preventing them from using it on competing hardware. It is not just a matter of what Apple says goes.

Apple Inc., is not a "dead hand.' It is a corporate person with the same contract rights as an individual. What is at discussion is what are the limits of a contract and whether it is a license or a sale of a product. Apple has sold the consumer a Contract for certain services to be provided by a computer program. They did not sell the program itself.

The recent CAD company case had to do with the resale of Autodesk's CAD software which was strictly forbidden in their SLA. The court ruled they could NOT restrict the subsequent re-sale of legitimate copies of the software under the doctrine of first sale. Apple's SLA is not similar because it allows for the licensee to resell his license one time and for the subsequent purchaser to also become a licensee, acquiring the rights including the right to a one time re-sale. The selling licensee must stop using the software when it is transferred. Thus, the Apple software may be serially resold by the licensees but there remains only the one copy.

The court has already ruled in Apple v. Psystar in California that there are no anti-trust or state fair business issues practices involved. However, Psystar has opened another Federal case, Psystar v. Apple, in another circuit in Florida asserting the exact same arguments despite the 9th Circuit court rulings. This has not gotten to the point of the Florida judge taking judicial notice of the res judicata (already settled) status of those issues. When he does, I suspect he will slap Psystar with sanctions for forum shopping and wasting the court's time.

57 posted on 10/25/2009 2:46:21 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
Whatever. You are good at spouting the company line, but not so good at recognizing alternate arguments. There is no point in debate. Psystar and what it does is different than a consumer buying the OS and then installing on any machine where it works. If Psystar wins its court actions, which are not final in any jurisdiction, then clearly what I do is fine. But...if it loses, it does not decide the issue of consumer use of Apple software on a consumer's hardware.

In your world, I am in breach of license. So be it, I will accept the ignominy and somehow go on living.

58 posted on 10/25/2009 6:09:38 PM PDT by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: Defiant
Whatever. You are good at spouting the company line, but not so good at recognizing alternate arguments. There is no point in debate. Psystar and what it does is different than a consumer buying the OS and then installing on any machine where it works. If Psystar wins its court actions, which are not final in any jurisdiction, then clearly what I do is fine. But...if it loses, it does not decide the issue of consumer use of Apple software on a consumer's hardware.

You are making an assumption that I care what YOU as an individual does. I don't. That's between you, your ethics, and your conscience.

All evidence points toward the fact that Apple could care less what you do as an individual for your own enjoyment as well. They have never gone after the individuals making hackintoshes or even against the websites telling how it can be done. Hobbyists are not a problem.

What they are interested in is protecting their brands, copyrights, and reputations against COMMERCIAL enterprises who are making a business of violating their intellectual property.

59 posted on 10/25/2009 10:59:24 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
I see you are a true, keeping the ping-list Apple Fanboy. You work for them for free, how very ... weird.

My conscience is quite clear, thank you. I paid Apple for its OS, and I use it on a computer. I don't use it on their overpriced, overhyped hardware. Their license says they don't want me to do that. Microsoft's license to manufacturers said they had to use IE, and that they could not install other OS's on any of their systems. How did that license work out?

Your argument has been made ever since book publishers tried to stop people from getting books at libraries. Just because Apple doesn't like it doesn't mean they can enforce their desires. Take your fanboy crap back to the fanboy forum and cry to them.

60 posted on 10/26/2009 10:28:10 AM PDT by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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