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Historical *Evidence* for the Crucifixion Darkness (Solar Eclipse?)
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Posted on 04/02/2010 9:27:17 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

The first reference found outside of the bible mentioning this darkness which fell over the land during the crucifixion of Christ, comes from a Samaritan historian named Thallus, who wrote around 52 A.D. His work was quoted by another early historian by the name of Julius Africanus who researched the topic of this darkness and wrote the following:

"Upon the whole world there came a most fearful darkness. Many rocks were split in two by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. It seems very unreasonable to me that Thallus, in the third book of his histories, would try to explain away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun. For the Jews celebrate their Passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the death of our Saviour falls on the day before the Passover. But an eclipse of the sun can only take place when the moon comes under the sun, how then could an eclipse have occurred when the moon is directly opposite the sun? (Scientifically it is impossible to have a full moon on the same day that there is an eclipse of the sun.)

Another first century historian who also mentions this darkness was Phlegon who wrote a history entitled the "Olympiads. Julius Africanus mentioned a quote taken from the Olympiads which said: "Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth . . . It is evident that he did not know of any such events in previous years."

Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen in his work ‘Against Celsus’ Book 2: "The darkening of the sun took place at the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus was crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place, Phlegon, I believe, has written an account in the thirteenth or fourteenth book of his Chronicles."


TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: apologetics; astronomy; catastrophism; christ; climate; crucifixion; earthquake; eclipse; fakeastronomy; godsgravesglyphs; goodfriday; history; israel; romancooling; solareclipse

'Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land..... And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit..... So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that happened, they feared greatly, saying, "Truly this was the Son of God!" ~ (Matthew 27:45-54)

1 posted on 04/02/2010 9:27:17 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Oh yeah...In addition to the “darkness,” I forgot, there was an earthquake too!


2 posted on 04/02/2010 9:30:18 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

and the curtain ripped also.


3 posted on 04/02/2010 9:33:21 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Check out “The Face of Jesus” on the History Channel. A two-hour fascinating look at the Shroud of Turin.


4 posted on 04/02/2010 9:36:28 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

At Passover, there is a full moon. Hence, no eclipse.


5 posted on 04/02/2010 9:40:22 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’m a bit confused. Were all these historians believers or were there Pagan sources too?


6 posted on 04/02/2010 9:40:51 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Indeed Julius Africanus pointed that out:

"For the Jews celebrate their Passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the death of our Saviour falls on the day before the Passover. But an eclipse of the sun can only take place when the moon comes under the sun, how then could an eclipse have occurred when the moon is directly opposite the sun?"

It was an act of GOD, clearly. (Then again, so are solar eclipses, though this was a special case.)

7 posted on 04/02/2010 9:42:41 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: Ann Archy

I read where the curtain was sewn so thick that it would take a supreme effort to tear it in half.


8 posted on 04/02/2010 9:44:16 AM PDT by winodog (We've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living.")
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To: Soothesayer

hmm...I am not sure about all the historicans who speculate on the darkness/eclipse thing specifically, but there are definitely pagan sources who recorded the crucifixion of Christ and all the resurrection rumors/havoc. I’ll be posting those shortly.


9 posted on 04/02/2010 9:44:28 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: Ann Archy

And people who had died came out of their tombs and were seen by living people who recognized them.


10 posted on 04/02/2010 9:45:18 AM PDT by Mrs. P ("Wonder Woman wears Sarah Palin pajamas." - Blood of Tyrants)
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To: Mrs. P

Matthew 27:50-54 (New International Version)

50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son[a] of God!”


11 posted on 04/02/2010 9:46:56 AM PDT by Mrs. P ("Wonder Woman wears Sarah Palin pajamas." - Blood of Tyrants)
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To: winodog

My pastor told me that it was as thick as a person’s hand is thick.


12 posted on 04/02/2010 9:47:46 AM PDT by Mrs. P ("Wonder Woman wears Sarah Palin pajamas." - Blood of Tyrants)
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To: Ann Archy

>and the curtain ripped also.

The curtain ripping is perhaps the most interesting in the theologically symbolic. That curtain was what separated the Holy of Holies {The place of God’s dwelling within the physical temple} from the rest of the temple. Only the High Priest was allowed in the Holy of Holies, and even then only on the specific dates of certain rituals; so important was this that the High Priest would wear bells that would sound when he moved and a rope for others to pull his body out of the Holy of Holies should he die therein.

The curtain was ripped/torn from top to bottom, which is symbolic of God reaching down to man; the ripping was between the Holy of Holies and the rest of the temple; signifying man’s access to God; and lastly the timing thereof when Jesus died, thus paying the Debt of Sin for all of humanity who would choose to accept it, and sealing that people to be God’s [as priests and kings, as mentioned in various places in the New Testament].


13 posted on 04/02/2010 9:48:41 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mrs. P

Wooaah! Zombies.....


14 posted on 04/02/2010 9:51:28 AM PDT by CondiArmy
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To: OneWingedShark

AMEN!!


15 posted on 04/02/2010 9:55:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: marvlus
That was a wonderful program. I for one do believe that was the shroud used to bury Jesus and that is the face of our Lord.

There is no reason it would not be. I think it was saved by his mother or the other Mary, most likely the mother. She then passed it down to other generations.

There has not ever will be a caring mother who would not want to keep something that their child touched. I know, I am one of them.

16 posted on 04/02/2010 10:54:28 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

This is the exact theory developed by the late Anthony Alfieri in his book The Darkness at the Crucifixion.

Sadly, the book was self-published and the author passed away before being able to make arrangements for its publication after his death.


17 posted on 04/02/2010 11:00:17 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

If a Roman centurion feared greatly, it would have been one scary, eerie event.

Sometimes I think we are so familiar with the Easter event that its impact slips by us too quickly.


18 posted on 04/02/2010 11:44:14 AM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I would appreciate a ping when you do post them


19 posted on 04/02/2010 12:39:14 PM PDT by winodog (We've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living.")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

PROOF POSITIVE:

http://www.bethlehemstar.net/

this video is a must-watch....


20 posted on 04/02/2010 1:14:49 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Mrs. P

My dads buddy started a business in 75. He had a mobile dry cleaning rig. We went to penthouse suites at Ceasars Palace, took down the thick, purple, drapes, hauled em out back, threw them in the machines, put them back up same day.

When I think of the Veil being ripped, I know a little bit about how that stuff feels and how heavy it is.
Of course the dead rising and Earth blacking out for 4 hours is a big deal too but my mind goes back to God ripping them in half himself.


21 posted on 04/02/2010 1:28:54 PM PDT by winodog (We've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living.")
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Note: this topic is from April 2, 2010. Thanks CondoleezzaProtege.



22 posted on 05/20/2012 6:25:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is from April 2, 2010.

Blast from the Past.

Thanks CondoleezzaProtege.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


23 posted on 05/20/2012 6:27:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; Arthur McGowan

A little basic positional astronomy and calendrics. Passover is on the 14th of Nisan, in the Hebrew lunar-solar calendar. All months in the Hebrew calendar begin on a new moon, and full moon (both in Christian liturgical calendars and in the Hebrew calendar) falls on the 14th day.

A new moon occurs when the moon overtakes the sun. In Islam, the month begins when the first crescent of the “new moon” is spotted visually. A full moon occurs about 14 days later.

A solar eclipse always occurs on a new moon, a lunar eclipse on a full moon.


24 posted on 05/20/2012 6:50:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Another fact that points to the darkness as uniquely caused: no eclipse lasts 3 full hours.


25 posted on 05/20/2012 7:33:08 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; SunkenCiv

An eclipse lasting three hours? Sure. The sun stood still so the moon could get into position and hang out. That made the earth unstable so it wobbled a lot.

Easy-peasy.

;o]


26 posted on 05/20/2012 8:02:34 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I wonder if infants have as much fun in infancy as adults do in adultry?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

As your Scripture notes . . . the darkness was FAR too long for a mere eclipse to have anything to do with it.


27 posted on 05/20/2012 8:41:05 AM PDT by Quix (Time is short: INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: winodog

I read that the curtain was almost a foot thick, thus no man could tear it and most certainly no man could tear the veil from top to bottom. It was torn as one would tear a rag.


28 posted on 05/20/2012 10:05:46 AM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

hi,

can you send a sig this way when you post them? thanks

CGVet


29 posted on 05/20/2012 4:43:21 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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