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Did Americans in 1776 have British accents? (Suprising answer)
Nick Patrick blog via Fark.com ^ | 10/09/2010 | Nick Patrick

Posted on 10/09/2010 8:08:47 AM PDT by prisoner6

The typical English accent didn't develop until after the Revolutionary War, so Americans actually speak proper English. Here comes the science.

Did Americans in 1776 have British accents?

Reading David McCullough’s 1776, I found myself wondering: Did Americans in 1776 have British accents? If so, when did American accents diverge from British accents?

The answer surprised me.

I’d always assumed that Americans used to have British accents, and that American accents diverged after the Revolutionary War, while British accents remained more or less the same.

Americans in 1776 did have British accents in that American accents and British accents hadn’t yet diverged. That’s not too surprising.

What’s surprising, though, is that those accents were much closer to today’s American accents than to today’s British accents. While both have changed over time, it’s actually British accents that have changed much more drastically since then.

First, let’s be clear: the terms “British accent” and “American accent” are oversimplifications; there were, and still are, many constantly-evolving regional British and American accents. What many Americans think of as “the British accent” is the standardized Received Pronunciation, also known as “BBC English.”

The biggest difference between most American and most British accents is rhotacism. While most American accents are rhotic, the standard British accent is non-rhotic. (Rhotic speakers pronounce the ‘R’ sound in the word “hard.” Non-rhotic speakers do not.)

So, what happened?

In 1776, both American accents and British accents were largely rhotic. It was around this time that non-rhotic speech took off in southern England, especially among the upper class. This “prestige” non-rhotic speech was standardized, and has been spreading in Britain ever since.

Most American accents, however, remained rhotic.

There are a few fascinating exceptions: New York and Boston accents became non-rhotic, perhaps because of the region’s British connections in the post-Revolutionary War era. Irish and Scottish accents are still rhotic.

If you’d like to learn more, this passage in The Cambridge History of the English Language is a good place to start.

Sources:
■American English, Rhotic and non-rhotic accents, Received Pronunciation - Wikipedia
■The Cambridge History of the English Language - Google Books


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: dialect; english; godsgravesglyphs; language; linguistics
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To: prisoner6

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121 posted on 10/09/2010 12:01:05 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: NavyCanDo

I’ll hunt the book down. Your examples are wonderful. Have you seen John Huston’s Red Badge of Courage? Although it’s about Union soldiers it’s wonderful to hear Audie Murphy’s soft Texas twang and Bill Mauldon’s accent (not sure where he was from). Lovely movie, like a Brady photograph.


122 posted on 10/09/2010 12:03:06 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Vinnie

You are speaking of Ocracoke Island residents. They and the people of Manteo also have the old accents that are today unique to the Outer Banks. The outer banks has been invaded by Yankees the last two decades and isn’t like it was when I was growing up. We called it Nags Head, not Outer Banks. It is near impossible to get a t-shirt there now that does not say Outer Banks. There were two great documentaries on the DOC channel on Direct TV recently that interviewed Ocracoke people and then Western North Carolinians about speech patterns and words unique to their area. If you see it again, watch it.


123 posted on 10/09/2010 12:06:13 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: John S Mosby

Is that a Cockney accent? It sounds a little Australian to me. One of my closest friends is a Cockney but he sounds nothing like the gecko. On the other hand, my friend is kinda old and his Cockney is much more old-fashioned. Wonderful to hear him say, “Ya dossey cow!”


124 posted on 10/09/2010 12:07:23 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: muawiyah
I have always warshed my squarsh.

Trace from Germans in Red River Valley of MN.

125 posted on 10/09/2010 12:09:14 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: JimRed

My wife is from Rhode Island, I’m from Georgia. If my grandmother had been healthy enough to attend the wedding we would have had to translate if she & my sister-in-law had tried to have a conversation.

After we married and moved to Georgia, while driving out in the country one day I stopped to ask directions from a young black boy. After we finished talking I got back in the car whereupon my wife asked me,

“What language were you speaking?”

“English”, I replied.

“Both of you?”

“Yes.”

“I did not understad a word that either of you were speaking!”


126 posted on 10/09/2010 12:11:09 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites" - Charles Krauthammer)
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To: mass55th
My brother was pursuing a Masters in English, no he doesn't live in Ma's Basement, and he had to write a paper on the Eastern Reagonal Dialect for a Linguistics Class.

If you really listen you can trace the change of accent from the Center of Boston or as a friend of mine used to say Massachusetts ends at Worcester.

127 posted on 10/09/2010 12:15:34 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: cripplecreek
Something like 7 generations seperated them from Britain. As I understand it, the colonists were considerably taller than the brits as well.

And "biscuit" colored (darker of skin) according to the British solders. And more inclined to bath.

Americans were already a mix of British, Dutch, Irish, African and Native American. Not surprising, the people who came over from Great Britain were mostly males. Few of them had the money to order a wife from merry ol' England. They had to find mates among the available females, which meant from the Dutch families if you were high class enough, from transported female convicts (many which were Irish) or from free blacks or a local "Tame Indian".

That was in the cities, out on the frontier your choices were even sparser.

128 posted on 10/09/2010 12:21:43 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The Doctrine of Nachofication: The belief that everything tastes better with melted cheese.)
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To: Vigilanteman; glorgau
Pirates aspired to be from the upper crust of England. A few even were. ... So Bawney Fronk would've been Barney Frank had he been born in Iowa,...

Well Bawney might not be a pirate, but he is an "Admiral of the Windward Passage"*... /g (*obscure 17th century insult reference)

129 posted on 10/09/2010 12:24:54 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Vigilanteman; glorgau
Pirates aspired to be from the upper crust of England. A few even were. ... So Bawney Fronk would've been Barney Frank had he been born in Iowa,...

Well Bawney might not be a pirate, but he is an "Admiral of the Windward Passage"*... /g

*(obscure 18th century insult reference)

130 posted on 10/09/2010 12:25:57 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: muawiyah
"Those are dipthongs ~"

I see...yes, it is an opening, descending diphthong. And all this time I thought “woah-man” was a southerners unconscious verbal attempt, to to scare off a potential mate.

131 posted on 10/09/2010 12:27:59 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: driftless2; oldsalt

Nah, it just proves that American pronunciation is the easier, more natural and thus correct version, while RP Brit pronunciation is contrived, unnatural and more difficult, thus incorrect... /grin


132 posted on 10/09/2010 12:38:45 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: FrankR

Frank ole buddy, I was just joshing with ya. I really did agree with your post.


133 posted on 10/09/2010 12:40:57 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: JimRed; prisoner6
And we have the recordings to prove it???

Nixon destroyed those, then realized to his horror he had screwed up... /g

134 posted on 10/09/2010 12:41:22 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: bgill
Cross state lines, or for that matter from inner city to suburbs, and you're listening to a different accent.

You hear it, but I bet they don't. I know people from Belfast, Ireland, who swear they can tell the difference in accent from neighborhood to neighborhood and sometimes even street to street. I can tell the difference from parts of Scotland, and different parts of Ireland, but that's about it.

135 posted on 10/09/2010 1:18:07 PM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
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To: FrankR

Lighten up, Francis!

Can’t you tell he was just joking with you? Didn’t you see the smiley?


136 posted on 10/09/2010 1:28:05 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The two very large but largely ignored groups were the Scandinavians and the Germans ~ breeding like bunnies they were pushing the frontier to its limits.

But you had to go out there to find them.

Then there was the Collins family. They had so many girls (in Kentucky, et al ~ dozens actually) some of them were married off to Oneida Indian warriors ~ who were probably white guys anyway.

Anyone finding a Collins in their ancestry out on the frontier should check out the Collins-Ritchy book. That will save you thousands of hours of fruitless wandering in the genealogical records. Most of that stuff is here!

137 posted on 10/09/2010 2:08:21 PM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: prisoner6

Just go get some of the old recordings from Ancient Amazon and listen. How do they know what any accent sounded like in 1776?


138 posted on 10/09/2010 2:11:36 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di tray hoi den La Vang)
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To: JohnG45

I put on my very best Hindu accent and flip them right back to their “naaatiiiive” best they left school with. Lots of fun. BTW, all the kids around here can do the Hindu/Pak schtick, and probably most of them understand both spoken Korean and Spanish.


139 posted on 10/09/2010 2:18:43 PM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: bboop
They are pretty rhotic in Northumberland

My part of the world......yes, we are rather guttural.

Makes it easy to speak German - should one be so inclined!

140 posted on 10/09/2010 2:20:09 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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