Petitioners protest Confederate flag [flown by homeowner]

The State (Columbia, SC) ^ | 13 October 2010 | Bo Petersen

[Rebeleye]

More than 200 people have signed a petition to protest a resident flying the Confederate battle flag...The moves follow a controversy, when a new resident hung a Confederate battle flag from her porch alongside an American flag...

[lentulusgracchus]

To equate the 1920’s KKK and later manifestations, with real Southern (Confederate) Heritage groups is a despicable Leftist tactic. And you know it.

It's called "bracketing". Its general form is, "A is like B, and the objectionable side of B is also quite typical of A </off lying>."

[Non-Sequitur]

IIRC, the Klan didn't use Confederate flags (except in Coen brothers movies). They flew the U.S. flag when they marched.

Breezed right by my reply 105, didn't you?

The only Democrat who is known to have been a Klan officer was Sen. Robert Byrd of W. Virginia, and he wasn't a Dixiecrat as far as I know (waiting for correction if any).

Byrd may have been the last former Klan member to serve in Congress, and he may have been the best known. But I have a very hard time believing he was the only Klan member ever to have served.

[Non-Sequitur]

We've read a lot of your "research", and we can recognize the tendentiousness and animus against the South in yours.

Ditto. Witness your reply 116.

[Non-Sequitur]

Klansmen do not represent Southern Heritage.

Only that part you would rather ignore.

You also know that these later Klan organizations were more active in the North than in the South.

Do I?

[antisocial]

“BTW your link doesn’t work.”

It works fine for me. (it only works if you click on it)

[Non-Sequitur]

It works fine for me. (it only works if you click on it)

So it is. It wasn't working last night. In any event it's a recap of the same old nonsense and nothing in it supports the claim that 10% of plantation owners were black, or that there were multiple black battalions fielded by the rebel army (better equipped than white units and commanded by black officers) or any of the other nonsense omegadawn posted.

Even that which it does claim makes no sense at all. Let's look at this quote:

"Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city."

The 1860 census data is available online. According to that in Orleans Parish there were 10,939 free black persons of all ages living there. Close enough to the figure quoted to accept it as accurate. But dig into other statistics and the claim breaks down rapidly. According to the census there were 4,169 slave owners in Orleans Parish, so for the claim to be true that would mean that 72% of all slave owners in New Orleans were black. Does that make sense to you? A demographic breakdown of the free black population of Orleans Parish shows that of those 10,939 free blacks only 4,901 were adults over the age of 19. So if the quote be true then 61% of all free black adults, male and female, owned slaves. But that overlooks the fact that the vast majority of those free black male adults were probably married to one of those free black female adults and formed somewhere around 2,500 families. So now it would appear that in order for the claim of 3,000 free black slave holders in Orleans Parish to be true then virtually every free black family and every free black single adult was a slave owner. Again, does that make sense to you? In a Parish where the white population outnumbered the free black population by a factor of about 15 to 1?

[x]

It's called "bracketing". Its general form is, "A is like B, and the objectionable side of B is also quite typical of A ."

And you've never done that yourself?

For example: John Quincy Adams is like Abraham Lincoln is like modern day liberals and the objectionable side of Lincoln or Adams is also quite typical of modern day liberals.

If you couldn't do that you wouldn't really have much to say.

[x]

While the South did not “officially” enlist blacks until later in the war . They were enlisted from day one and fought side by side with white soldiers. Only a small fraction of Southerns owned slaves, most whites were no better off than slaves. The tariffs on imported goods by the Congress ( controlled by the North) was destroying the south. The Black Plantations owners association( 10% of all plantations owned by Blacks)actually fielded a number of batallions. These were well equiped units ( better than most white units) and were led by black officers. Bet you want see that in Northern “history” books.

Dude! You just make stuff up! Why didn't I think of that?

What happened to all those veterans of Black Plantation Owners Association battalions and all those Black Confederate officers after the war? Were they all so scared of the Yankees that they stayed undercover?

P.S. Say "Hi!" to "stand watie" and "HistorianDorisKearnsD**cheb*g", wherever they are.

[mojitojoe]

We’ve read a lot of your “research”, and we can recognize the tendentiousness and animus against the South in yours.

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That... is an understatement.... HUGE understatement. Bitter, all encompassing hatred is more like it.

NON SEQUITUR BASHING SOUTHERNS

In the South obviously ‘drunken Irishmen’ and ‘duped fools, a little darker but more temperate’ are titles of respect.

Unless you’re counting any disagreement at all with the Southron side of the issue ‘antagonism’. Other than that you tell me just how my antagonism has manifested itself on anything but the topic of the Soutehrn rebellion?” Non-sequitur
Okey dokey, how about these?

Lincoln statue unveiled
Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:39:38 PM • 106 of 169
Non-Sequitur to catfish1957
Scientist are trying to find out why Sherman’s grave in St. Louis has a yellow tint to it. :)
It is assumed that it is due to the southern unfamiliararity with indoor plumbing.
When it comes to the rebellion, southerners hold the patent on hate. A result of losing, I guess. Next time try harder.

To: Leatherneck_MT
Southernors to this day have a love of their state like no other citizen of any other state does.
But not of their country.

334 posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 3:55:34 PM by Non-Sequitur

Every morning I go searching for that deep down part of me that is remotely Southern. And when I locate it I tell it to say “Hi” to the guys down South and then I flush.
accuracy has never been a Southron trait.
The major difference between the South and yogurt is that yogurt has a living culture.
Southern inbred is more likely.
Spongebob: Hey Patrick, guess what I am!
Patrick: Um, stupid?
Spongebob: No, I’m Texas!
Patrick: What’s the difference?
If we kiss your ass, or kick it yet again, I’m afraid we’ll cause brain damage.
Obviously not a son of the South since my parents were married - to each other - and they weren’t first cousins.
There is a very old saying in the South about people who are as dumb as a fence post or a rock. It does as much good to argue with a post as it is does with some people. The results are the same. And I imagine that the Southern population is equally divided between the two types. Non-sequitur
Mercy is not a Southron trait.
Southron stupidity. Gotta love it.
We can’t all be smart like Southerners and carry a spare in case our car breaks down.(Note*then he posts pic of some POS car, insinuating that all Southerners have trashy cars
I believe he was from Tennessee, but I never held that against him.
Other poster: I guarantee this: YOU WOULD NEVER SEE A SOUTHERNER BOW TO A SAUDI.
Non-sequiterNah. Y’all are into holding hands.*Note then he posts pic of Bush with Saudi King
Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:07:41 PM • 957 of 1,252
Non-Sequitur to Cincincinati Spiritus
Many of the ills of this country can be laid at the feet of the three Texas presidents we’ve had. And you think that having trashed the country you can just walk out.
Ah, the last gasp of the Sothron psychotic: it nothing else works accuse your opponent of being a liberal. Nice to see that you’re being true to form. No doubt the fact that you can connect a black man to your pejorative is only icing on the cake for you.
liquored up Southerners doing what comes natural to them - peeing outside.
“Class” and “Southerner” are a contradiction in terms.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Me] It's called "bracketing". Its general form is, "A is like B, and the objectionable side of B is also quite typical of A ."

[Thee] And you've never done that yourself?

Anyone can propose a reasonable analogy or comparison. With some support, of course.

Bracketing doesn't support its association, it just makes one and runs. Like toilet-papering a house or asserting an association where there is none, or making an inapposite comparison in order to influence the unreflective or ignorant.

I really don't see it so much on FR, because people like you will ask for support of the analogy or comparison. Where the original poster makes a good-faith effort to compare and support, then he is not bracketing.

Bracketing is a hit-and-run technique. As applied in the Clinton 1996 campaign, it was acually done by what were later called 527's, "opinion PAC's" allied with the DNCC, that put up, in summer 1995 (six months before New Hampshire), very quick film clips of Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich on a platform somewhere, taking the salute of the crowd, while an announcer perorated on some phony "issue" or other (the real "issue" was to put up an image of Dole and Gingrich together). Associating Dole as the presumptive GOP frontrunner with Newt was the object of the bracket, Newt having taken a very heavy grey-propaganda hate campaign in the previous six months (as per Brent Bozell's speech at iirc George Mason University, and his MRC columns, afterward). Actually, they represented very different factions and agenda within the GOP.

[lentulusgracchus]

.....I have a very hard time believing he [Bob Byrd] was the only Klan member ever to have served.

Okay, I'll bite. Who were the others?

[Kickass Conservative]

“people will think twice about trying to do something like that again”

Is that a threat?

[lentulusgracchus]

Breezed right by my reply 105, didn't you?

Sure, why not? It was an impertinent attempt to crib a point you didn't deserve. The original post referenced the relatively late emergence of the Battle Flag as a political symbol. You didn't contradict it in any way, even though your pikshure pretended to.

[lentulusgracchus]

Ditto. Witness your reply 116.

Bull. Nothing wrong with it.

Wish I could say the same for yours.

[lentulusgracchus]

That... is an understatement.... HUGE understatement.

I was trying to be nice and play well with others. As you pointed out, that was a mistake and a waste of time.

He pointed it out, too.

Thanx, everybody!

[BnBlFlag]

I, like you, have tried to have “civil discussions” with the modern day “abolitionists” on this board but I have learned that they are fanatics in the same manner as John Brown. Little wonder we seceded in 1860.
I’d like to do it again.

[Non-Sequitur]

Okay, I'll bite. Who were the others?

Theodore Bilbo, Senator from Mississippi for one. He proudly claimed Klan membership.

[lentulusgracchus]

Theo Bilbo? Hell, nobody ever paid much attention to Theo. Everyone knew he was just trying to live down the well-known rumor he had an octoroon grandma or something in his fam'bly tree.

Got another?

[Non-Sequitur]

Depends. You asked for other Senators who were Klan members, I gave you one, and you said he didn't count. What does one have to be in order TO count?

[mac_truck]

Alabama Senator Hugo Black was kkk.