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GUILTY: Ersland found guilty in pharmacy shooting trial
KFOR-TV ^ | May 26, 2011

Posted on 05/26/2011 3:05:28 PM PDT by FourPeas

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To: Royal Wulff

I tend to agree, but that was not my quote.


101 posted on 05/26/2011 5:36:36 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Was the weapon from the robbery suspect ever recovered?

I don't know Dragnet. I do know the robbers ran into the wrong pharmacy. They don't call it a Judge because it's small. I have no problem with the first part of the video, that is self defense....the unloading of the .38 into an unarmed man on the floor is the only problem I have. If the man had been armed it would be justified......unfortunately that is not the case.

102 posted on 05/26/2011 5:37:33 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: dragnet2

The trial is over and I doubt your expertise in such matters.


103 posted on 05/26/2011 5:37:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: dragnet2
Re: dragnet

that was not my quote

My bad.

104 posted on 05/26/2011 5:41:03 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: TigersEye
Yeah, sure. LOL

You're an old poster whom I greatly respect, I don't see what you are seeing in the videos that I am not. You can't miss the Judge.....what are you seeing that I am not?

105 posted on 05/26/2011 5:42:37 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist

Yes there is no confusing the Judge for the 8.3 ounce Kel-Tec 380 in that video.


106 posted on 05/26/2011 5:42:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
In fact many times the corner can only guess to the time of death, they can get close, but not exact.

But again, the corner would have no way of knowing if the robbery suspect in this case, was moving, or unconscious at the time.

107 posted on 05/26/2011 5:43:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

LOL, the case is over.


108 posted on 05/26/2011 5:46:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ScreamingFist
the unloading of the .38 into an unarmed man on the floor is the only problem I have.

Me too, but if the suspect was moving, could a robbery suspect suddenly produce a weapon and shoot you to death?

Do you wait to see what he's going to do after his accomplice just attempted to rob you at gun point?

109 posted on 05/26/2011 5:46:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12
Didn’t you think that the voice over description by the Oklahoma County District Attorney helped answer your question?

I didn't hear him say anything about which gun was the one that fired the shot into Antwun's head? I'll take this as your admission that you don't have an answer. Strange that you come unglued when asked a simple question.

110 posted on 05/26/2011 5:46:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ScreamingFist

No, the question is ‘what are you seeing that I am not?’ I am very familiar with various types of handguns and the videos are not clear enough to me to identify what he is holding in any particular part of them.


111 posted on 05/26/2011 5:50:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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bump


112 posted on 05/26/2011 5:50:50 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: dragnet2
Me too, but if the suspect was moving, could a robbery suspect suddenly produce a weapon and shoot you to death?

Yes, of course he could. His baggy clothes could have concealed a variety of weapons.

113 posted on 05/26/2011 5:52:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

“No, the question is ‘what are you seeing that I am not?’ I am very familiar with various types of handguns and the videos are not clear enough to me to identify what he is holding in any particular part of them.”

Tiger, look at exactly 38 seconds on the video, it’s a Judge. Realize the entire videos are still on the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHshsgpsxFg


114 posted on 05/26/2011 5:56:49 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: TigersEye
If I'm in my own store, and two violent armed robbery suspects enter pointing a weapon at me, they are going to get shot, and I would continue shooting as long as they were moving. I believe the robbery victim said the suspect on the floor was moving.

They went to him with bad intent, he didn't go looking for them.

This guy might have been a BS'er, but he didn't lie about two violent robbery suspects entering his store, attempting to rob him at gun point.

115 posted on 05/26/2011 5:59:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ScreamingFist
Realize the entire videos are still on the internet.

And I was supposed to realize that from viewing the other poor quality video that was linked over and over on this thread? What was so hard about providing that link in the first place instead of playing games about it?

116 posted on 05/26/2011 6:05:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: dragnet2
They went to him with bad intent, he didn't go looking for them

I agree completely. The problem is we don't blow away "unarmed idiots" flopping on the floor. Unarmed idiots would be the key point here.

117 posted on 05/26/2011 6:05:58 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist

According to the video you provided, it indicates the corner said the suspect would have survived the fist shot. That would clearly indicate the wounded suspect could have possibly been moving, attempting to get up, when the robbery victim walked back toward the suspect and shot him again.


118 posted on 05/26/2011 6:06:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye
And I was supposed to realize that from viewing the other poor quality video that was linked over and over on this thread? What was so hard about providing that link in the first place instead of playing games about it?

Tiger, I linked it in post 15.....

119 posted on 05/26/2011 6:08:18 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: dragnet2

Amen to that! I’d more likely be using a 12 ga. or a .45 too.


120 posted on 05/26/2011 6:08:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ScreamingFist
The problem is we don't blow away "unarmed idiots" flopping on the floor.

So the suspect was moving on the floor?

How do you know he was not attempting to get up or suddenly produce a weapon?

Are you just guessing?

121 posted on 05/26/2011 6:08:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

You know that two pistols were used and you heard the DA describe the five execution shots coming from a tiny Kel-Tec 380, the shots that you can see being delivered on the video, and you could see the larger pistol in the video during the initial shooting and Erslands exit from the store, why are you so childishly playing obtuse?


122 posted on 05/26/2011 6:09:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ScreamingFist
My bad, I missed that post. Of course at no point was I directed to that post in answer to my question until after a half dozen or more posts about it. I guess every question on a thread has to be treated with hostility, sophistry and flame-baiting.

So now we know that a round from a Taurus Judge bounced off of Antwun's head.

123 posted on 05/26/2011 6:12:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ansel12

You’re the one who couldn’t answer a simple question without playing games.


124 posted on 05/26/2011 6:13:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
I think the robbery victim was railroaded.

He said the robbery suspect on the floor was moving, and clearly felt threatened, and likely feared the suspect was suddenly going to produce a weapon. Given the fact the the suspects attempted to rob store owner at gun point, and possibly murder him, I'd give the robbery victim the benefit of the doubt.

125 posted on 05/26/2011 6:13:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

You are the one that was lying and saying that you had watched the video I posted which told you about the 380.

No wonder you guys are so ignorant about this case, you won’t try to look at it yourselves, you just keep asking the daddies to answer every little question.


126 posted on 05/26/2011 6:16:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: TigersEye
You’re the one who couldn’t answer a simple question

You notice that too....No doubt the trial went the same way.

127 posted on 05/26/2011 6:17:10 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

This dude is guilty of using a bad caliber. If he had used a .45acp or a 12 ga., he wouldn’t of needed all those shots, and he wouldn’t be convicted of murder.


128 posted on 05/26/2011 6:18:11 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Nuck off Fewt.)
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To: FourPeas
I said it at the time, I'll repeat it now...he is guilty.

When he went back, changed weapons (iirc) and then pumped rounds into a guy who was no longer a threat he ceased to be a victim acting in self-defense and became a murderer.

129 posted on 05/26/2011 6:19:25 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: TigersEye
My bad, I missed that post. Of course at no point was I directed to that post in answer to my question until after a half dozen or more posts about it. I guess every question on a thread has to be treated with hostility, sophistry and flame-baiting. So now we know that a round from a Taurus Judge bounced off of Antwun's head.

Not a problem old FRiend. I'm guessing he had .410 loaded in the Judge.....whatever he had loaded at that range is going to drop you like a stone. The only question for me is what happens after.

130 posted on 05/26/2011 6:20:36 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

Funny how the robbery victim suddenly becomes that bad guy, when the video clearly does not depict if the suspect was moving and was possibly deemed a potential threat by the store owner.


131 posted on 05/26/2011 6:20:41 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ScreamingFist

They must be basing the “premeditation” on him going to get the second gun, which seems like a real stretch under the circumstances.


132 posted on 05/26/2011 6:21:24 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dragnet2
I would too. Murder One is definitely over the top. Manslaughter at best seems far more reasonable. But the video doesn't, and can't, show everything that was happening. People rely far too much on what a video or photo appears to be showing.
133 posted on 05/26/2011 6:21:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: worst-case scenario
It would be really easy for a crazy RX to kill whomever he wanted to - and he wouldn’t need a gun.


134 posted on 05/26/2011 6:22:09 PM PDT by csvset
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To: ansel12
You are the one that was lying and saying that you had watched the video I posted which told you about the 380.

I wasn't lying, I did watch the video, but now you're lying by saying I wasn't. Typical of your posting history. The video you posted says nothing about which gun was used when.

135 posted on 05/26/2011 6:23:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: dragnet2
Funny how the robbery victim suddenly becomes that bad guy, when the video clearly does not depict if the suspect was moving and was possibly deemed a potential threat by the store owner.

Exactly. I don't know what the guy's state of mind was, due to the acts of the now dead guy, nor what he appeared to Erslund to have been doing. I do fault Erslund for hamming it up and making himself into some kind of celebrity when he should have been keeping his mouth shut. Maybe they didn't like him for that, and it made them suspect his motives. I have no idea.

136 posted on 05/26/2011 6:23:57 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: TigersEye

You bet. Ya can’t see the robbery suspect in the video, he could have very well made movements which the store owner believed to be a potential threat.


137 posted on 05/26/2011 6:24:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Still Thinking

yep.


138 posted on 05/26/2011 6:25:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ScreamingFist
Tiger, I linked it in post 15.....

I posted the video in post 12. I would have thought the DA voice over would have made it clear about the pistols, but here is a screen capture from the video in post 12, such a long, long time ago.

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139 posted on 05/26/2011 6:29:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: TigersEye

You did not hear the DA describe the Kel-Tec 380 as being used for the five shots? You did not see the very large pistol used at the beginning of the shooting in the video? You did not watch the video posted in post 12.


140 posted on 05/26/2011 6:33:55 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: dragnet2
...No doubt the trial went the same way.

A lot of irrelevant side issues are being injected into this case and the DA was doing it himself. Repeated mentions that Antwun was "a child" and he was "16." Does that mean that if he had legally been an adult they wouldn't have charged Ersland? References to Ersland faking his back injuries. So he wore that back brace because he knew he would be robbed and would murder a poor unarmed armed robbery accomplice? He lied about his service record. That is relevant to being targeted for armed robbery and self defense during the robbery?

He didn't do himself any favors by telling lies about those things but it looks like he has been convicted of 1st degree murder because he has some emotional issues not because of the facts of the case.

141 posted on 05/26/2011 6:34:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ansel12; dragnet2; TigersEye

I think we are just throwing insults now. I know most of the posters on this thread and they are all good FReepers. Let’s talk facts and save the insults for trolls....


142 posted on 05/26/2011 6:34:52 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: Still Thinking

Ersland is more than a ham, he was uncovered as a stolen valor war phony, something that some freepers that aren’t defending him, do not like and will not tolerate.


143 posted on 05/26/2011 6:36:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ScreamingFist

I have delivered facts until I’m exhausted, there are a couple of hyped up 14 year olds on this thread that are as ignorant about this case as can be but are obsessed with playing a game of asking daddy a thousand questions rather than reading some articles or watching the videos themselves.


144 posted on 05/26/2011 6:39:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Dick Vomer

“Once the robbers made a decision to rob, then that is the path you chose. Someone pulls a gun usually means business.”

Cops fire multiple rounds into people, who move the wrong way.

People ask: “Why did they kill him? Coulda just wounded him.”

But the PDs reply they are trained to fire to kill, period. And that scenario usually prevails.

But now this civilian is different. He doesn’t get to keep shooting until the threat is stopped, dead.

It is a double standard.


145 posted on 05/26/2011 6:40:15 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: ScreamingFist
Not a problem old FRiend. I'm guessing he had .410 loaded in the Judge....

Maybe. They said it was a solid projectile that split on his skull with the larger piece bouncing off and the smaller piece entering his cranium. At any rate it made him fall. Pull one on me and I'll fall before you pull the trigger. LOL

The only question for me is what happens after.

That's true. That is where I think things become debatable and his story telling, Antwun's age and the coroner's speculations are only marginally relevant to that determination.

146 posted on 05/26/2011 6:42:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: FourPeas

People living in liberals’ Utopia seem to think the victim pharmacist should have offered the robber a free aspirin after shooting him once.


147 posted on 05/26/2011 6:42:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ScreamingFist
The problem is we don't blow away "unarmed idiots" flopping on the floor.

So the suspect was moving on the floor?

How do you know he was not attempting to get up or suddenly produce a weapon?

Are you just guessing?

Feel free to answer the questions that repeatedly go unanswered on this thread.

148 posted on 05/26/2011 6:43:36 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Are you just guessing?

Yes I am guessing Dragnet, we can't see what is happening on the floor. And as you have pointed out, he MIGHT have had a weapon, as it turns out he did not. This is why this case is very important.

149 posted on 05/26/2011 6:51:25 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ansel12; ScreamingFist
You did not hear the DA describe the Kel-Tec 380 as being used for the five shots?

No, I didn't. The video you linked was poor in audio and video quality. I had to turn the sound up to the max setting and could barely hear the DA and couldn't hear any of the questions. I've never had to turn the volume more than a little past halfway before for any other video or audio file. The video ScreamingFist linked to was crisp and clear and showed the pistol clearly for one second. That was enough to answer my simple question which I would have accepted a simple written reply about if you had bothered to just answer a simple question instead of acting like the jerk you so often do.

150 posted on 05/26/2011 6:52:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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