Posted on 10/25/2011 9:03:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Veganism dates back to 1944, when British Vegan Society co-founder Donald Watson coined the term to mean “non-dairy vegetarian.” The Society expanded the definition in 1951 to state that “man should live without exploiting animals.” Vegans eschew animal products in food, clothing, household products, or for any other reason.
There are a variety of reasons why people “go vegan.” Some simply don’t like the taste of meat. Some claim veganism is “green,” and that a vegan lifestyle minimizes impact on the environment.
In 1997, a survey revealed three percent of the people in the U.S. claimed that they had not used animals for any purpose in the previous two years. Rutgers School of Law professor Gary Francione argued in 2010 that “all sentient beings should have at least one right — the right not to be treated as property.”
Do ethical vegans live up to this stated standard? Do their actions live up to their own stated ethical principle, that animals have the right not to be treated as property? Do their actions really result in zero animal use? The parallel in human terms would be slavery, which no rational person thinks is ethically acceptable. Slaves are the property of masters; they live and die at their owner’s sufferance.
Unfortunately for the ethical vegan, the production of their food alone reduces their claim to impossibility. Animals are killed in untold millions, in the course of plant agriculture. Some are killed accidentally in the course of mechanized farming; some are killed deliberately in the course of pest control. Animals are killed, every day. Every potato, every stick of celery, every cup of rice, and every carrot has a blood trail leading from field to plate.
In 1999, while researching and writing Misplaced Compassion, I ran into a rice farmer who posted the following first-hand account on a Usenet forum:
[A] conservative annualized estimate of vertebrate deaths in organic rice farming is ~20 pound. … [T]his works out a bit less than two vertebrate deaths per square foot, and, again, is conservative. For conventionally grown rice, the gross body-count is at least several times that figure. … [W]hen cutting the rice, there is a (visual) green waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the combine. Sometimes the “waterfall” is just a gentle trickle (± 10,000 frogs per acre) crossing the header, total for both cuttings, other times it is a deluge (+50,000 acre).
My own family was involved in corn and soybean farming; our numbers were not that high, but they were not inconsiderable. Pheasants and rabbits are routinely killed in planting and harvesting, and rodents are killed by the thousands using traps and pesticides at every step: production, storage, and transportation.
Rational people know this and don’t worry about it. It’s an inevitable consequence of modern, high-production agriculture. The ethical vegan, when confronted with these undeniable facts, collapses. Their reaction, in almost every case, is to do a rhetorical lateral arabesque into a new claim, that their vegan diet somehow causes “less death and suffering” than a non-vegan diet, a ridiculous and unsupportable argument. A pound of wild venison (net cost in animal death: about 1/120th of one animal) almost certainly causes less “death and suffering” than a pound of rice (net cost in animal death: including rodents, insect, reptiles and amphibians, number of deaths may range into the hundreds).
But the numbers don’t really matter. Not if there is a real ethical principle involved. What is at the heart of this fall-back argument is this claim: That a vegan diet has a lower cost in animal death and suffering than any non-vegan diet.
If any ethical vegan has crunched the numbers to prove this, I have yet to see the results. However, the numbers have been crunched elsewhere, and it turns out that a non-vegan diet may well cause less environmental impact than a vegan diet, for one reason: Food for livestock can be grown on land that is too poor for growing crops for human consumption.
If there was an actual ethical principle involved, the ethical vegan would be required to do one of two things:
• To analyze each of his or her sources of vegetable food and eat only those which are found to cause the least amount of animals to die.
• Move off the grid and grow all of their own food, scrupulously using no insecticides, no rodent control measures, and no mechanized equipment.
Note that it is only the second path that has a chance of actually accomplishing zero animal deaths.
In reality, ethical vegans do none of these things. In the real world, the ethical vegan has no idea — none at all — whether their diet causes more animals to die, the same number, or fewer, than a diet which includes meat. Even when they engage in a completely irrational search for micrograms of animal material in their diet (I know of one vegan who refuses to eat black olives because squid ink is used in part to color them) their actions are purely symbolic; they have no idea what their real impact is. Instead, they obsess over micrograms of animal products in their food while ignoring the metric tons of animal life destroyed to bring that food to the table.
An ethical principle is usually a pretty simple thing. If the willful murder of another human is wrong, then it is wrong in every circumstance. Ethical vegans claim that taking the life of non-human animals is wrong, but their actions do not live up to the claim; indeed, they don’t even try. The ethical vegan follows no ethical principle. Instead, they follow a simple, easy, results-neutral, and ethically indifferent rule: Do not put animal parts in your mouth. It allows them a pretense of moral and ethical superiority with no real effort; it is a cheap and easy pose, nothing more.
In fact, ethical vegans exhibit a stunning and savage hypocrisy. Ethical vegans, as a class, fail utterly to put any of their professed ethics into action. They claim to not cause harm to animals, but they do; when confronted, they claim to cause less harm to animals than the non-vegan, but they are utterly unable to show that to be true, and are willing to take no real effort to even quantify their impact. They are intimately involved, every day, in an activity that causes the deaths of millions of animals, and they do nothing about it.
PJM FLASHBACK: PETA’s Pet Slaughterhouse
but it makes them feel good and morally superior. And for them, feelings have primacy over reason as the source of motivation.
Another ‘blessing’ from the UK that is leading the West into the abyss of destruction.
I say we take off and nuke the island from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Wow... they really use everything but the MOO, don’t they?!
As someone who got cornered by a radical raw-food freak-show person, I think this is a great article!!!
I’m sure I’ll get flamed, however....
One could logically deduce without having actual numbers that the argument that vegans hurt less animals is true, unless the average meat eater did not eat any produce and only consumed meat.
The average diet consists of both meat and produce, therefore, animals dying on 2 different fronts, rather than the vegan, where animals die as a consequence of farming the produce (1 front).
The claim that because of their diet there is no animal fallout, that is simply absurd based on the obvious factors pointed out in the article.
Veganism dates back to 1944, when British Vegan Society co-founder Donald Watson coined the term to mean “non-dairy vegetarian.”Hitler was a vegetarian. I guess they wanted to one him up…
And that's not a compete list. Under "Manure,' they didn't list "President Obama's speeches."
Thank God for cheese, ice cream and eggs. Without them my wife would be a vegan.
Actually, vegans and their pagan lifestyle, are the most horribly unethical folks out there.
That’s probably why God killed them all with the Great Flood.
In Genesis 1.29, God said to Adam and Eve:
“Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your food”
Note that this is a vegan menu. God later decided that everthing on earth was so bad, it had to be wiped out with the Flood.
When Noah gets off the boat in Genesis 9.3, God says:
“And everything that moves and lives shall be food for you: even as the green herbs have I delivered them all to you: “
Note that, this time, meat is on the menu.
So it appears that vegans, the first folks around, were so bad, they had to be eliminated and replaced w/meat eaters.
They don’t kill twice as many animals, if this is what you’re implying. They simply exchange some killed one way (by say rice farmers) for others (by the slaughterhouse). And since vegans would need to actually consume more food (since vegetable matter is a poorer source of things like protein) vegans may well be killing more total.
And this is not a flame. I just think you’re incorrect.
“Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your food”
Note that this is a vegan menu. God later decided that everthing on earth was so bad, it had to be wiped out with the Flood.”
I take it that even God dislikes hippie vegans.
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Truth doesn't matter to a liberal - what matters is how they 'feel' about themselves - and how they 'feel' IS superior.
A conservative comic could have a field day with the idiosyncrasies of liberals... the jokes write themselves. Or even a liberal comic - one who can joke outside the box... calling Jon Stewart - calling Jon Stewart...
To me, Genesis suggests that it wasn’t God’s original intent for man to eat beast. That changed after the fall of man.
I don’t believe that we will be flesh eaters in the Second Coming.
Bumper sticker I saw the other day......
Vegetarian - Old Indian word for bad hunter
>>One could logically deduce without having actual numbers that the argument that vegans hurt less animals is true, unless the average meat eater did not eat any produce and only consumed meat.<<
Since the vegan eats a lot more veggies & grains than the omnivore, your argument is incorrect.
4-6 oz meat, plus 3 servings (baked potato; grilled/steamed veggie; dinner salad) of veggies vs 4 servings of veggies & grains (Boca Burger, salad, baked potato, steamed/grilled veggie) means that the extra veggies/grains the vegan consumes in the Boca Burger far out weighs the single serving from a single animal of the omnivore.
If, instead of a Boca, the vegan uses a serving of rice or bulgar and a serving of beans (to “balance” the amino acids) the disparity gets even worse.
It is feelings over fact.
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