Skip to comments.**RIFLE VANITY** Long-Distance Shooting and Hunting
Posted on 12/17/2011 9:34:30 AM PST by rabidralph
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I've fired a friend's Model 70 7mm and I have a Browning .270 for deer hunting but I'd like to get another rifle for this upgraded purpose. I'd appreciate FReeper comments on pros and cons of these rifles where my goals are concerned and your experiences with any of these firearms and other recommendations.
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I recommend the 300 Weatherby Magnum . This rifle is exacty what you want.
Taking shots at animals beyond 250 - 300 yards is not good sportsmanship.
You are not a sniper. You are not at “war” with wildlife.
600 yards is the outside limit for trained USMC “Dedicated Marksman” with some of the best most expensive & excellent equipment.
I have had met people over the years that bragged about their long shots taken; how many feet high and in front they had to lead the animal. Ridiculous.
Stalk within range or wait for a better opportunity. Or perhaps you just like to play sniper...
For elk and moose I’d recommend something with a bit more punch than .308, especially at those distances.
You may want to think about something like a .300 Weatherby or .300 Win Mag. The .308 certainly has 600 yard range and good accuracy but may be marginal for elk and moose, particularly at longer ranges. As always bullet placement is critical.
Long distance shooting is NOT hunting.
Not for shooting at large game at 600 yards, you're not. .338 Lapua is more in line with your requirements. Or a .416 Barrett.
I also should mention I want a rifle that is reasonable to buy ammo for and/or reasonably priced to reload, if that makes a difference in recommendations.
I agree...yet am still loyal to my old Winchester model 100 .308
You are about to get a million replies.
To meet everything you’ve said, I thin you would be just fine with the .30-06. Especially with the new Hornady factory loads that put it on par with the .300 mags without the additional recoil (longer pressure hold without greater peak pressure).
Well, none of the cartridges that you need to do what you want will be cheap. Either as a factory load or reloading yourself.
I would recommend against shooting beyond 600 yards. You have a duty to give the animal in question a clean kill. An error of a few inches is enough to wound, and give an animal a painful lingering death. Over 600 yards, wind can give you such an error.
If you intend to shoot beyond 300 yards, at game, you have to use a heavy bullet to reduce the effect of wind. the .50BMG or .510DTC a commercial equivalent, would give you the best chance, but be cautious about shooting such a round from a 10 lb rifle. You would absolutely need a blast compensator, robust shooting glasses, and double hearing protection.
I am not shooting at animals beyond 250. I want a rifle with a large enough caliber to shoot Moose and Elk at reasonable distances but I also want to use it for long distance targets. Two different purposes with one rifle. I don’t have money to buy a rifle for every purpose. Thanks.
Here we go. I love it when someone posts one of these “What kind of gun should I get?” vanities. Lots of fun—I learn so much. Let’s see if we can make it one of those 500 post threads!
I am with coyote and feral pigs.
If it takes a 400 yard shot to get them, then that's what it takes.
I hope you don't use anything other than a club, as that would be bad sportsmanship.
Hunting is harvesting, whether someone finds "sport" in it is secondary, and I guarantee you meaningless to the animal getting shot. Indeed, I'm sure they would prefer a clean, surprise kill at 600 yd to being chased down and clubbed to death.
If the individual is capable of making a good shot at 600 yards, there isn't a thing wrong with taking it. Taking your preaching somewhere else, where people like to be told how to live their lives by people who profess to know better.
1. I like to target practice at long distances.
2. I want to shoot larger game, but not at 600 yards--150 yards at the most.
But I want one rifle that can serve two purposes.
You may consider a .408 cheytac for long range target shooting.
.338 Win Mag or Lapua. One of the most accurate rifles I ever owned was a BAR I bought back in ‘71. My eyes were stronger then, but it was good on ground squirrels with iron sights out to about 150 yards.
On larger targets it was probably good to 600+.
I’m not shooting moose and elk at 600. I want to only target practice beyond 600.
If you plan on shooting a lot, get into reloading which will greatly reduce your costs.
The functionality that you describe is the .460 class rifle:
.457 through .460 and there are a lot of them.
The rounds are expensive (2.00 per round)to buy as factory loads but they are cheap to reload. I reload .45-70 for about .14 per round for a 405 grain bullet. If I plink with a round ball, they cost about 5 cents apiece. If you get a long barreled rifle, you can also shoot black powder and use it as a 48 gauge shotgun.
The most fun you can have with a rifle is the .45-70. Endlessly entertaining. And they will splash anything on the planet.
Ruger #1 might be just the ticket, or Pedersoli has some rolling block models that are quite beautiful. H&R of course has their Buffalo Classic in .45-70 which is very popular and a good large critter rifle as well as accurate at 1000 yards.
I hunt for deer, elk, moose and bear. A 1993 Browning A-bolt Medallion in 7mm RM is all I’ve ever used. It shot sub minute of angle right out of the box. 7mm has a great ballistic co-effient, shoots flat and will take the largest north american game easily. Using 165 grain nosler partition at 100yards, I once shot through a 6’6” black bear lengthwise.
I have never tried to shoot an animal in excess of 400 yards and would not recommend it unless you are a freakishly good shot.
I’ve seen what a .300WM will do. It is a killer for sure. It also destroys a lot of meat in the process.
For outright varmint shooting like prairie dogs out to 600yds (if you’re into that sort of thing) I have a .22-250 which is sighted in at 500yds. I use a 4,000fps round for it.
It all boils down to bullet placement. I have used a 30 calibre weapon in Africa with a 165 grain bullet that has taken everything from elk sized game down to coyote sized game.
The recoil is relatively mild and ammo is less expensive than the whiz-bang magnums.
Which make? Go to a gun store and try different weapons and see which one fits you best as far as price, cheek placement, etc. Be careful though, you may end up with a safe full of weapons.
I'm glad you made this second comment. I was about to go postal on several of the FReepers on here who can't seem to read. You made it perfectly clear in your post you were wanting to target shoot out to 600 yards but were going to hunt at normal ranges. Why else would you ask for a rifle that could do both?
I think reading comprehension classes would help many of our FReepers.
Might want to consider a 338 RUM, as well.
Thanks for the recommendation. I’m not familiar with Weatherby but I will check them out. And their rifles seem reasonably priced.
Before you buy check the game laws in the states you plan on hunting in.
They may require something with more power than a .308 for the larger game.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Any of the platforms you mentioned would be suitable for those purposes but as I said I’d prefer something a little heavier than .308 for the game animals you’re after.
Just a personal preference.
I agree with the 165 grain bullet, my favorite for .30-06 and .308. I also use them with my .300 Winchester Mag. Better sectional density than the 150 and flatter trajectory than the 180.
7mm.06 is highly recommended.
Good golly! Thank you, for comprehending!
30-06 comes in a wide variety of weight and chambered by virtually all manufacturers. It always was the workhorse for hunting and is plentifull and relatively cheap. Keep the range back to 150 yd max as another FReeper said. In practical terms most shots worked out to about to 80-100yds. Good hunting skills coupled with carefull shot placement goes a long way.
Since you are not going to shoot game beyond 300 yards and want an accurate rifle for long range target shooting, just about any high powered rifle rifle should do the job.
I think the .270, 30-06, 308 and even the 6.5 Swedish Mauser would do the job. If you don’t mind a bit more recoil then the 7mm Remington Mag, all the .300 mags, and the 8mm Remington would all produce more than enough power.
I think you and I are the only ones who prefer the 165 grain bullet. Almost everything I have read says use the 180. I use the 165 fro exactly the reasons you describe. Good hunting!
Thanks, I’ll check into it.
Consider a Savage 110 in .30-06. The round is cheap, the rifle accurate, yet inexpensive, and .30-06 will take down any North American game with the right bullet. There is also a wide range of components available for reloading including different bullet weights and compositions.
Thanks. I do plan on learning reloading at some point. I have a few friends who are willing to show me how it’s done.
Most of the cartriges mentioned already will perform adequately, but it is ultimately the rifle that dictates accuracy.
You should strive for a top-quality bolt action that is built for accuracy, and that means custom, not off the shelf.
Then you need to work up the best-performing handload for that particular rifle.
This is assuming that you can do your part, which usually takes considerable practice.
As far as taking a large animal, I don't know why anyone would take a target rifle out in the weather and subject it to casual handling.
Apologies accepted :-)
I prefer Savage for long range precision shooting.
6.5 - 7 mm for flat shooting.
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