Skip to comments.Iphone 4 got tossed this weekend
Posted on 12/18/2011 4:22:25 PM PST by varmintman
Prior to 02 I'd gone for some time hoping I could die of old age without ever touching a cellphone but that clearly wasn't going to happen; I was getting into too much trouble from not being able to find pay phones which basically stopped existing around that time. I mean, superman never had to look more than 30 feet for a phone booth to change in, but he'd go crazy now.
And then, a bit less than a year ago, the company I work for insisted on me buying an Iphone and the main idea was having access to email on the road. I mean, I'd never wanted anything to do with Apple after the stunt they pulled shutting down the Atari 520ST in 85, but I ignored any misgivings I may have had and bought the thing....
The biggest problem has been the thing getting a mote of dust or lint or something in that little hole for headphones and believing it was working with headphones when it wasn't. That keeps the user from hearing the other guy unless he figures out what's going on and puts the phone on speaker. The problem can usualy be fixed by blowing PC cleaning air into the headphone hole but it can take an hour or more of doing that.
That is still preferable to taking the thing to the local Apple store for service. Their normal mode is to have you make an appointment to be seen in two or three or four days and that basically means going several days off the air.
Then there's the thing about batteries. If a battery dies on any other cell phone you buy a new battery for $20 or $30 and replace the dead one. The Iphone needs to be replaced if a battery dies and, that's right, you need to make an appointment for that and that can mean several days off the air.
I mean, who the hell would buy a car which had to be replaced whenever a battery died.....
But the kicker came yesterday morning when the thing (actually the second one after the first being replaced for a battery), not only pulled its ugly little thing of acting like it thought it was on imaginary headphones, but aside from me not hearing other people other than on speaker, nobody else could hear me.
The normal deal with ATT is to be eligible for phone upgrades every two years; in this case the situation wasn't going to go for another year or more and I simply paid the full price for a Samsung/Android phone and the best ATT could do was a trade-in program which gave me 200 for the Iphone so that the whole deal cost more like 400 than 600, but I view that as money well spent, the Samsung Galaxy appears to be a much nicer phone.
If you want a precise language, you might consider learning German or Russian...
IIRC, in addition to using WiFi for a more accurate fix, the iOS devices use it to generate a preliminary position estimate while it’s waiting for GPS, which can be relatively slow in comparison (up to 15-20 seconds or so).
I'm still ticked off at Toshiba for selling secrets to the Soviets.
LOL! What's "Atari"? Was he hanging out with Tron?
The thing I'm pissed about at this point is Apple costing me something like $400 by marketing a product which couldn't make it to the two year ATT trade-up point, in fact it didn't even make it to the end of one year.
There’s quite a difference between treasonous military betrayal vs typical business hardball.
Complex products built by the millions have an occasional lemon.
Did you go to Apple about it?
“I think he would be better of with a pay phone”
Quite. HE thinks he’d be better off with a pay phone: “I was getting into too much trouble from not being able to find pay phones which basically stopped existing around that time. I mean, superman never had to look more than 30 feet for a phone booth to change in, but he’d go crazy now.”
This was the fourth or fifth time the thing had done this and Apple's normal mode of operation is to have the customer make an appointment to be seen two or three days hence and I simply cannot afford to be off the air for two or three days at a stretch on that regular a basis. Previously I'd been able to fix the headphone-hole thing with compressed air and/or by using speaker phone until the problem went away, this time that did not work. The one experience I'd had taking the phone back to Apple was for a dead battery.
There are plenty of reasons not to like Apple, there’s no doubt about that. That just struck me as a really weird reason.
“Just saying” is a way to tell the reader that you have no specific opinion on the subject on hand, but you want to bring up an obvious point related to the topic being discussed.
OR, you agree with Laz’s explanation. OR, should that be Lazz's explanation? BTW, what was this thread about again? Just saying... LOL
>>>Sometimes I’m in the backwoods far from towers and would like a tablet that can work with GPS without needing access to towers or wifi.
A wifi-only iPad CAN be a full blown GPS, with no need for continuous network connection... http://bad-elf.com/ — as long as your app keeps its needed maps on the device, it works just fine.
>>>The iPad needs the 3G version to even have GPS...
GPS can be added to wifi-only iPads, as well as the iPod Touch... via bluetooth GPS puck, or the BadElf device that I linked to above.
Unless you count completely revolutionizing the publishing business. The Mac, LaserWriter and Pagemaker replaced massive, tempermental typesetting equipment costing tens of thousands of dollars.
And then, in 1985, Atari came out with a personal computer which was what the PC should have been from day one. The 520 was a beautiful machine with an 8 MH 68000 chip, a half meg or meg of memory which was huge at the time, a real graphics card, good graphics, and the GEM GUI and applications.
Apple had a 512K mac in 1984, before the ST, and a few months after the ST came out with the Mac Plus, which came standard with 1M and was upgradeable to 4M. All of the first-generation Macs had an 8MHz 68000 (the Lisa ran at 5MHz). Those specs that you tout as groundbreaking were right in the middle of Apple's offerings; its main advantage was 4-bit color where the Mac was strictly monochrome until 1987. Whether GEM was a superior OS to the Mac is a question of taste; there is nothing about it that is clearly and overwhelmingly better.
Apple realized that it would be three or four years before they could have anything to compete with that. They threatened to tie all of Atari and DRI (GEM)'s products up in courts for years unless crippling changes were made to both the 520 and GEM and the upshot was Atari getting out of computers
Eight years later. Atari went on to release three more versions of GEM after the Apple/Digital lawsuit. Despite your best efforts to paint Apple as the mustache-twirling villain, the suits had little effect on Atari; what killed the ST line was getting its lunch eaten in the market by Amiga, Atari's ongoing management and cash flow problems, and the dubious decision to focus all its resources and bet the company on the Jaguar game console.
That did NOT happen either. These claims are FUD... You used SHUT DOWN as you meant it to be... and the Atari sold millions. YOU stated they got out of the computer business when nothing could be farther from the truth. Quit dancing, trying to change what you said. There were no "crippling" changes to either GEM or the Atari ST 520. If there had been, Apple would have done FAR more to the Commodore Amiga... they did not.
Apple DID require that Digital Research make minor User Interface changes to GEM... to make it look less like the Apple Macintosh user interface. It's original interface was almost identical to the Apple Macintosh interface and violated their copyrights... and Apple had several rulings in their favor on this. This was in accordance with copyright laws. Apple had to make these demands to keep its copyrights.
Apple and DR met amicably to settle the differences across a conference table, not a courtroom, DR made cosmetic changes which Apple approvedIt had NO effect on Atariand the changes to GEM were completed by October of 1985, GEM was made available on multiple platforms, and Atari went on to sell millions of Atari 520s and 1040s, so your complaint is specious.
You will note the changes are not too substantial...
That is essentially correct, but the iOS device already has a general idea of where it is from continually getting WIFI data. So the GPS is very fast when it does get the GPSatellite data.
More FUD... my ex is still using my original iPhone from 2007... and the battery is still holding an 80% charge. In addition, AT&T will allow you to upgrade at 18 months... AND buy back your iPhone 4 for more than the cost of the contract price of the 4S. So again, your argument is specious.
MORE FUD... Every time I've called, I have had an appointment either that day, or the next... at the next available time... and had the problem solved. Most times Apple will give you a new phone. I've never had a problem with a phone. I did take a laptop in, out of warranty by over two years. They could not fix it in a reasonable time so they GAVE me a brand new laptop!
All I can tell you about is my own experiences, I don’t live other people’s lives for them. I’d much prefer the iphone had made it to the two year point at least, I’ve got much better things to be doing with $400.
Just the 64GB original Ipad, to have space for all the topo maps of utah, and some of the surrounding states. We’ve used it in Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado, in Idaho, New Mexico, and Arizona. My favorite program is simply called “Topo Maps”, and the icon is a blue pin in a map. The Ipad has the 3G features but I’ve never bought a contract. The GPS works great without the data service.
Do your own experiences include going to the Genius Bar, or did you rule it out based on something you'd heard? Because your description of Apple's "normal mode" is anything but.
I checked about a dozen Apple stores online, and they all had at least thirty appointments available for tomorrow. All but one had morning appointments. Most if not all stores also do stand-by appointments, and if there are any that don't as a matter of policy, they probably will if you ask nicely -- the wait is unpredictable, depending on when someone cancels or no-shows, but it's same-day.
You said the phone was less than a year old, which means it was still covered by warranty, unless it was damaged by water or some other misadventure. Even in cases of water damage, the replacement is $199 at most. The extra $400 you spent was as the result of your own actions, not anything Apple did (or didn't do).
So far, all of your experiences are totally off the wall and counter to all of ours. Your recall of history is also completely different from the history of reality. Atari did NOT stop the sale of the Atari 520ST... and in fact was never threatened by Apple with shut down. Apple merely required Digital Research to change the look and feel of GEM... to avoid copying the copyrighted Mac, which it did in it's first incarnation. You can SEE the obvious copy infringements in the post above. The changes were minor... not the MAJOR crippling you claim was required. You post inaccuracies and myths and complain when we call you on them.
The case of the 520ST as I’ve stated it is from memory based on journal articles from the time, what I see on the internet on the topic now is a mixed bag of opinions. The experience I’d had with the iphone and the “genius bar(TM)” is real enough. The apple store at Tysons Corner I gave me an appointment two days hence to replace a cellphone in a situation in which any for other electronic device on Earth it would have sufficed to replace a battery for $20.
I had quite the opposite experience...the DW needed an iPhone for work (her employer wasn’t supporting Android at the time for calendar/e-mail/contacts sync), so I decided to upgrade from my TracFone to the state of the art Android phone of the time (August 2010) the Samsung Galaxy S. Long story short, the iPhone 4 is winning by a mile...no problems with the iPhone 4...battery at about 90% of original capacity, no probs with apps, etc. The Galaxy S was OK for a few months, but lost all speaker audio (I had to open it up and re-seat the speaker connections), OS updates (1 and done, Android 2.1 to 2.2) took months after the promised date, no further updates released...v 2.3 would be nice!), battery is starting to go (at least it is easily replaceable, haven’t priced a new one yet), and lately it is lagging/hesitating almost all the time (background processes from buggy apps I think). So now I have to look for an app to kill the misbehaving processes!! No such trouble with the Apple “pre-screened” apps. Overall, the iPhone “just works”, and I will probably go that direction next summer.
Look, You can replace the battery in the iPhone... you got a replacement iPhone with a new battery.Had you asked for an expedited appointment, you probably would have gotten one. You COULD have had an appointment the next day... or overnight replacement. You complain because your phone has a battery that outlasts other smart phones in operation times AND stays small, without becoming bulky because of the extra hardware needed for consumer replaceable batteries. Give it a rest. NOW it's two days hence where earlier in this column it was three to four days... you Exaggerate your problems.
Your memory is of something THAT DID NOT HAPPEN... the journal articles are available on the internet, if you know how to search for them... and the all refer to Apple working WITH Digital Research to handle the infringement issues. Atari was never SHUT DOWN... in fact Tramiel of Commodore fame bought Atari for a song because it was losing money from a conglomerate and he thought that Atari had the Amiga... but they had defaulted on the second payment for the Amiga and his prior company Commodore had snatched up Hi Toro. So he quickly raided Commodore for some engineering talent, filed the serial numbers off CPM, renamed it Tramiel OS, bought some GEM licenses for a shell, and released the Atari 520 ST with little problem, BEATING the Commodore Amiga to retail market by a week. Apple did not have a problem with either companies' offering... They objectected Digital Research's GEM copying of MacOS copyrights and patents. This was done by November of 1985... and everyone was happy.
Wake up your other brain cell and see if you can come up with reliable data to support that...
What you experienced certainly isn't normal. The Tyson's Corner store has, as I write this, an appointment available an hour from now, and 40 other appointment times through the rest of the day. Ditto at the Clarendon store, Georgetown, and Montgomery Mall. Pentagon City is more jammed, with only 20 spots available.
I do not live other people’s lives for them. All I can tell you about is what I have experienced personally.
Again this is from memory from journal articles at the time, my memory is still good enough to earn a living with, maybe the journals were all lying, but you don't have to look terribly far for evidence of Apple being a company which tries to earn its living in courtrooms, there's an account of something like that in the news on FR today
Again from memory, the Apple/Atari thing included a claim of primacy on the idea of using a trash-can icon for deleting files which is like Ford claiming a patent on the use of steering wheels to control cars. In fact given the origin of the GUI at Zerox-PARC, what you're really talking about is chutzvah.
Again this thread is not about ancient history, it's about Apple marketing products which can't make it halfway to the 2-year trade-up point or, at the very least, one of which didn't.
This isn't about an Apple product that can't do anything. It's about a user who can't be bothered to get it diagnosed by an expert and fixed or replaced for free, same day, usually in about 15 minutes.
Limbaugh voted for Obama? I hadn’t heard.
After the fourth or fifth time this has happened, it isn’t a user malfunction.
No, in fact the GUI that Apple used DID NOT originate at Xerox PARC, but was Apple's own design and creation, using some ideas that Apple bought and paid Xerox to use. . . But most were created at Apple. There are some similarities but the differences are glaring and obvious to people who know both SmallTalk and MacOS. YOU obviously don't and buy into the years of myth.
Secondly, Apple did indeed create the Trashcan metaphore icon and it's copyright was the ONE copyright the judge in the Microsoft infringement lawsuit, idiot that he was and non-software ignoramus to boot, ruled WAS completely protected under copyright, and that Microsoft was forced to change! However, Apple did not require GEM to do that! They licensed it to both Commodore and DRI.
This thread is about YOUR claim that ONE iPhone did not make it to that point, a phone that others have pointed out is STILL IN WARRANTY, and you spouting of non factual myths that have been repeatedly shot down with historical evidence while YOU have produced nothing but your unsupported flawed memory and biased opinion! I am not the only one calling you on these flaws! You have ONE failed iPhone and you are generalizing your single experience, which flies in the face of millions of other users', including many on FR, who have NOT HAD A PROBLEM, to claim that Apple is "marketing products which can't make it halfway to the 2-year trade-up point or, at the very least, one of which didn't," to TAR an entire company's product line with baseless calumny.
You made baseless hyperbolic claims that Apple "shut down" a competing product back in 1985 as the basis for your initial animosity toward Apple and your justification for that animosity! A claim that was COMPLETELY UNTRUE! A lie! You would have let that stand, allowing people who did not live through that history to believe it as factual until others called foul. Then you claim it was just a figure of speech! No, sir! THAT, SIR, IS THE EPITOME OF DISHONESTY AND FUD! You are dancing around these facts. . . repeating the same thing over and over does not make them true. I've presented links to contemporaneous articles proving your claims false. Just drop you claims and move on. It did not happen. No one got shut down.
So, Varmintman, EXACTLY how many iPhones did YOU have this happen to... YOU PERSONALLY??? By my count, in your narrative above, you had ONE iPhone exchanged because of a defective battery. The exchanged one then had a problem with the ear phone jack which you fixed by blowing compressed air into its delicate innards for upwards of an hour or so in a do-it-yourself fix because YOU couldn't be bothered to have an expert diagnose the problem? Then the iPhone ups and stops working on you after YOU have blown who knows what contaminants that were shorting out the earbud jack down into the circuit board... And YOU claim that the product is defective???? I DO think it's the user that has the problem.
Enjoy your Android phone. I give it less time than your poor iPhone before it too dies an ignominious death.
The Galaxy appears to be a much nicer phone than the iphone, and I can read text on it without glasses which is sort of nice. I'll let you know what it looks like six or eight months down the road; it it develops any major problems I may just go back to Motorola non-smart phones since I never had any problems with those over a 9-year period.
This is what I LOVE about Free Republic....and observe so very frequently. The experience of the POSTER is ALWAYS the experience of everyone else (or so it SHOULD be in their mind)...and their world view is CERTAINLY the same for everyone else. It reminds me of Pauline Kael, the film critic for The New Republic and The New Yorker, who said: "I can't believe Nixon won...I don't know anyone who voted for him."
Joe...there is a PLANET outside of your experience. On my planet...which is FULL of conservatives (I'm a preacher [SBC] and a military man)...90% of us who have smart phones have iPhones. My right-wing family and in-laws all have iPhones...most of my preacher friends have iPhones.
I think you live in a small planet.
No wonder Verizon subsidizes the sale of the darn things.....
I create my own topo/Google Earth composites using "Canvas", and would buy an iPad to use them in the field for archaeology if I knew I could get such an app.
Im an open source guy who hates proprietary software with a passion. The Galaxy puts the Iphone to shame ...
Windows and Android aren’t proprietary? Then why did I pay for them?
The Galaxy S2 runs Gingerbread - It has not a darn thing to do with Windows. I wouldn’t utilize a Microsoft product even if my life depended on it.
Gingerbread Android is open source and licensed under GNU - I can take it and use it on any of my personal devices that I want (commercial restrictions would obviously apply). I don’t need a license, I can go in and tweak the kernel - all to my heart’s content. Try that with a piece of garbage Windows or Apple product.
To answer your question - you paid for the circuitry and plastic of the phone, not the kernel.
Android is a proprietary version of Linux built and *owned* by Google. Just as proprietary as iOS and OSX. OSX, by the way, is built on BSD open source. You can download the SDK and build an app and sell it tonight. That’s what I do for a living and Apple has made me quite a good chunk of change. You don’t like them: fine. But don’t go all Obama and tell lies. You alter the the Android kernel and you void the warranty. You alter the OSX kernel and you void the warranty. Same thing. You can’t download a legal version of Android and install it on any device you like. I *can* install OSX on any piece of hardware I want because I paid for the privilege.
I like Linux. I like Android, though I hate Google. I love Apple and would piss on 0bama’s shoes given half a chance.
No, I don’t know how to do that. Your point is interesting though, because I also take google satellite images along when I go, simply printed on card stock and laminated. The google images allow individual trees to be resolved along my path, but I don’t get elevation. Several miles of my trip fits onto one page, so between them, I’m set. But I’ve wished for an all-in-one solution, as google empties the photo cache when wifi service ceases. I’ll check again next year for upgrades to Topo that might allow that.
Ummm.... you may want to read post # 38 and follow the links and subsequent links. Applebots ARE leftists, irrespettive of your “right wing” relatives, who whether they use iPhones or not, may not in fact be your typical Applebots. I might also point out that my experiences with Applebots is not liited to people I know, but also encompasses over 15 years of fighting Apple crazies on various tech sites. They are almost always lefists of the worst kinds.
I expect what is needed is an actual GIS program that can create and "georeference" photos -- so that they are adjusted to some common coordinate system like "UTM" or "Decimal Degrees" and aligned to some standard "datum" and scaling system (like "NAD 83"). IOW, the GIS functions align, warp and stretch maps and images from various sources so that they match and align to whatever base map (USGS Topo, for example) that you are using.
There is a hint that NGS TOPO! may have such functionality -- available through their "mapXchange" membership-account online server. (Check out "mapXchange" in NGS TOPO!'s preferences...)
I'll do some research on the subject, and, if I come up with anything promising, I'll share with you here on FR.
Couldn't resist doing a quick online check...'-} Check out TOPO! Explorer Deluxe, which includes the following:
"SuperQuads The new online map set exclusive to TOPO! Explorer. Each SuperQuad contains (6) layers of map information including: USGS 1:24,000, and 1:100,000 scale topographic, I-Cubed Aerial Photography with 4 meter resolution, USGS Digital Elevations and Names, and an exclusive HybridQuad which blends Aerial Photography with topographic linework."
Those "Hybridquads" sound like a canned version of the topo/photo composites we were discussing...
(Of course, what I really want is the capability to create and use my own custom composite photo/maps -- and use them on the iPad, with live GPS tracks overlaid on them...)
Merry (what' s left of) Christmas!
P.S. For an example of my map creations, check out my draft National Heritage Area Map... (2 MB BIG)
You do beautiful work! I’m impressed.
I’m an IPAD App developer, and I’ll definitely be back in touch should some of your maps fit into the Apps I’ve got in mind.
Here’s the web site for the iOS Topo program:
After making it all the way to 2011 without ever owning a mobile, cellular, or other type of wireless communicator, I finally broke down and bought an iPhone 4S a couple days ago.
It hasn’t been a life-saver for me yet. But it BETTER be! :-D
Glad to hear your story. I just bought an iPhone and I’m hoping for the sort of “sea change” you experienced with yours.
Like everything else (a new hammer, a guitar, whatever), a lot has to do with your willingness to get the feel of it. And I think my attitude towards the whole thing helped. I didn't buy it until I realized, "this is exactly what I've been looking for all these years..."
On top of it, it's a barrel of fun. It makes the occasional pains-in-the-@ss bearable, and helps me to overlook that I'm once again doing business with AT$T.
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