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How do I (we) counteract the success of this birth control wedge issue? (vanity)
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Posted on 02/18/2012 8:42:00 AM PST by occam's chainsaw

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To: occam's chainsaw

The right to bear arms is an actual right that is actually written in the constitution. But although the federal government has protected that right for over 200 years, it has never forced every man woman and child to own a gun, nor has it ever forced any gun distributor or manufacturer to distribite guns to every person for free.


41 posted on 02/18/2012 10:03:10 AM PST by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: sargon
I don't think American women are as foolish as you're implying...

Don't get out much, huh?

Obama has added +18 to his already overwhelming lead among single women since this started. Obama was leading this demographic 54-37 in November. He is now leading 65-30.

In 2008, there were 30.5 million single female voters. In 2012, this number may well be larger.

This issue, essentially invented by Obama and Axelrod, is a gigantic winner for their side, and they will ride it as long as they can.

42 posted on 02/18/2012 10:07:05 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: occam's chainsaw

It was planned this way by the people who wrote the health care bill. The whole idea is to add up enough mandates that it busts the insurance companies and makes everybody dependent upon government for their care.

As things stand now, am I the only one in this group that is wondering wether to drop my insurance and just pay cash?


43 posted on 02/18/2012 10:11:16 AM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: occam's chainsaw

You wanna try reasoning with simpletons?


44 posted on 02/18/2012 10:11:42 AM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Jim Noble
Shut up about it. Especially if your initials are R.S.

Yeah, screw that 1st amendment crap. Religious beliefs should be kept behind closed doors.

Sheesh when did conservatives become such cowards.
45 posted on 02/18/2012 10:12:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Santorum had been in Congress for 16 years. Find a SINGLE time where Santorum, in public life, called for banning or otherwise regulating contraceptives (except maybe to kids without parents knowing about it).


46 posted on 02/18/2012 10:15:53 AM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: Jim Noble
I was not wrong in any way shape or form. the fact that you personally lack both the integrity and intellect to acknowledge that fornication without consequences and on someone Else's dime is a liberal value.. changes.not one thing.

The bloom is off the rose.

Fornication may be your highest personal value, but it is not and never has been a conservative position.

47 posted on 02/18/2012 10:18:06 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Ignore it. They blew their wad too soon, by the time real votes are being cast in October this “issue” will be played out. They really screwed up driving this thing so hard in February, the life span of a wedge issue is 1 month, 2 if it’s really juicy, then the public gets bored, then they feel badgered.


48 posted on 02/18/2012 10:24:28 AM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Ask “Where’s my free gun? It’s clear the second amendment gives me the right to have one, so someone needs to pay for one for me. “


49 posted on 02/18/2012 10:28:59 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: occam's chainsaw
My personal opinion is, if any women is going to cast her vote this fall solely on whether the government gives her free birth control or not when we have the worst economy and unemployment since the great depression and we are so awash in debt that we'll be in the same situation as Greece by 2016, then she is too damn stupid to be voting in the first place and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince her of anything.
50 posted on 02/18/2012 10:29:42 AM PST by apillar
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Ask “Where’s my free gun? It’s clear the second amendment gives me the right to have one, so someone needs to pay for one for me. “

Actually, Obama would have a more solid constitutional argument saying he has the authority to force Insurance Companies to provide free guns. Considering that the constitution guarantees the right to own one. Birth control, and health care in general is mentioned nowhere in the constitution.

51 posted on 02/18/2012 10:33:00 AM PST by apillar
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To: occam's chainsaw
Short and succinct: Why Are We Talking About Contraception When The Country's Going Broke?
52 posted on 02/18/2012 10:34:22 AM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: MrEdd

You’ve got me wrong

Fornication? I’m agin’ it.

But I can still count.


53 posted on 02/18/2012 10:35:11 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: mrs. a

yes, I know that...but it’s not relevant to my point, which is to emphasize how wrong this is - a point which is clearer to most when you start talking about surgical abortion.

...maybe make it more clear - they should demand partial birth abortion on the mandate.


54 posted on 02/18/2012 10:45:59 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Easy.

Since when did paying for other people’s contraceptives become a right?

When did it become a right to have the public pay for other people’s birth control and abortions? (Because this is an end run around the govt directly paying for abortions - just mandate the taxpayers do it through mandated health coverage.)


55 posted on 02/18/2012 10:56:30 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: GenXteacher

Yup, excellent way to frame it.

We have a privileged superclass of people in America that can commit legal murder just because they have a uterus. That has to end.


56 posted on 02/18/2012 10:57:49 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Another argument to have, & one we should be having is: What is INSURANCE for? Insurance is for catastrophic events. We don’t buy car insurance & use it for oil changes or routine maintenance. Health insurance should be the same - it should be purchased for a catastrophic event that would require hospitalization or surgery. Routine check-ups & incidental medicines (including birth control) should be paid out of pocket.

We should be telling our congressman to allow us Medical Savings Accounts out of which we can pay for things like mammograms & colonoscopies & birth control. And then insurance would kick in for the big stuff.


57 posted on 02/18/2012 11:03:20 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: sargon

Non catholic women of child bearing years to have a legitimate gripe. Insurance does not pay for BCPs which I am fine with, on the other hand, in contrast to about every other drug category, there are, in general, no inexpensive generics to fall back on.

I can take a $4 generic for my blood pressure but BCPs run $40 and much higher per month.

Keep in mind, this is just an economics argument, and I am not commenting on morals or ethics.

The drug companies have been screwing women on birth control. (sorry, couldn’t resist). The Republican candidate should be aware of this ongoing frustration and use it as a positive. I would like to see the candidate just say, that he will pave the way for approval of low cost generics, this should settle down all but the left wing fanaticss.


58 posted on 02/18/2012 11:15:49 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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59 posted on 02/18/2012 11:18:07 AM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Ask if they oppose capital punishment. (save the gang bangers)

Ask them if they support protecting whales. (save the whales)

Ask them if they support protecting polar bears. (save the UN global warming agenda)

And them if they support protecting wetlands. (save the swamps)

Ask them, if they oppose hunting. (save Bambi)

Probably they’ll even support vegans. (save the cows)

Then ask them if they support babies.


60 posted on 02/18/2012 11:26:56 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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