Posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:25 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..
There isn’t a Washington BC for Obama.
It would have been useful if some old copies of those Honolulu nespapers had been found in attics to confirm or deny the microfilm copies of those birth announcements.
It would have been useful if some old copies of those Honolulu nespapers had been found in attics to confirm or deny the microfilm copies of those birth announcements.
I think he was telling what he believed to be the truth originally, I think he recanted only after the consequences of what he had done came home to roost on him.
I didn't suggest there was. I suggested there might be a Canadian birth certificate for Obama.
I don't know if you've kept up with it, but Both Ralph Dunham and Eleanor Berkibeile lived in Northwest Washington state. At some point Aunt Eleanor lived in Blaine Washington, which shares a boundary with the Canadian city of White Rock. There was no Hospital in Blaine in 1961, but there was a Hospital in White Rock Canada. If you were needing to deliver in Blaine, you had to go to White Rock Canada to do it in a hospital.
Someone has told me that copies of those old newspapers have been located. I have no actual knowledge of this myself, but that is what I have been told by another freeper.
What is the current status of the story about a birth record being discovered in British Columbia? I forget the version of name being discussed.
One of the scenarios to investigate was the possibility of Ann flying with the baby while unaccompanied by the father on a Kenyan birth certificate from Nairobi to London, Salisbury, and Vancouver BC using the child’s UK citizenship to pass customs, and then obtained a Canadian birth certificate and/or received the Hawaiian birth certificate obtained by Madelyn to pass the U.S. Customs at Blaine, Washington on the way to Seattle. Such scenarios would account for the rumors of the existence of multiple birth certificatesw for the child.
That would certainly be interesting to see.
That's what I said, but as of yet I haven't seen it. I cannot think of a legitimate reason to keep such a thing secret, therefore I expect it is not really true.
I do not accept any theory requiring Stanley Ann traveling to Kenya (or anywhere else for that matter) unless someone can explain how Barrack Obama Sr could pay for such a thing. He was working in the pinapple cannery barely able to make enough money to feed himself and cover his bills, so I don't see him being able to afford transportation back and forth to Kenya. H3ll, he couldn't even afford his OWN passage to Hawaii in the first place!
Also, I don't think there was any customs check between Blaine and White Rock in 1961.
My thinking is that Stanley was sent to live with relatives in Northwest Washington to have her baby, and she took advantage of the free hospital across the border.
I was referring to Mike Evans, not Barack Obama.
The two wings of the Government Party offer you the choice of a disorganized and self indulgent megalomaniac leftwing progressive, or the focused and self disciplined megalomaniac leftwing progressive. The organized one -will- accomplish more harm if elected.
Please! Please! please! A very big shout out to the conservative party and to the constitution party, Don’t even ask her just put Sarah Palin on the ballot for your party. That would greatly increase turnout, decrease Romney’s vote count and make the Democrat’s vote fraud more difficult. Considering the strength of those currently running, Palin should be a shoe in.
At this point just about anything is possible. We have no genuine records from anywhere, so anything that’s included on what we’ve seen could be fabricated, including birth place, birth date, and parents - all of which factor into presidential eligibility.
Until we get something genuine, we don’t even have a starting point on any of those 3 birth facts.
You are in good company. I and many others will not vote for Obama’s understudy. Welcome to Free Republic.
Are you suggesting that Ann was never even in Hawaii? Because for her to have not traveled anywhere, she would have had to just stay in Washington the whole time. But that would mean she never even met Barack Sr and so his finances would have nothing to do with anything.
The only other way for her to not have traveled anywhere would be if she moved to Hawaii with her parents and had the baby in Hawaii.
Unless she had the baby in HI she had to have traveled somewhere.
The HDOH manipulating records means we don’t know whether Ann and Sr were actually married. Seems like they were living at different addresses. In any event, the issue could be whether the DUNHAMS could afford to support Ann traveling - either to Washington or anywhere else.
And whether Sr’s parents could afford to send him various places. Remember how we heard initially that Sr’s father was a poor goat-herder, and then it turned out to be that his father was actually quite wealthy? Accepting financial aid doesn’t mean that a person can’t afford something - especially when the person in question is a communist.
Not at all. She was absolutely in Hawaii in 1960 because she is on record as having attended the University there. I am suggesting she was not in Hawaii prior to Barry's birth. I think she was in Northwest Washington, having been sent away to live with relatives to avoid the embarrassment of having a child both out of wedlock and with a black man. (Both No-nos in 1961.)
Because for her to have not traveled anywhere, she would have had to just stay in Washington the whole time. But that would mean she never even met Barack Sr and so his finances would have nothing to do with anything.
I am not suggesting that her mother could not afford to send her back to Washington to live with Relatives, I'm suggesting that Barack Sr could not afford to send her to Kenya, and her mother would have no believeable reason for doing so.
The HDOH manipulating records means we don’t know whether Ann and Sr were actually married. Seems like they were living at different addresses. In any event, the issue could be whether the DUNHAMS could afford to support Ann traveling - either to Washington or anywhere else.
I think the marriage is a sham. I think (barring further evidence) that Stanley Armour Dunham's best friend Frank Davis was boning Stanley's daughter behind Stanley's back. I think that when Stanley-Ann got pregnant, they had to cover up this relationship in the best way they could, with a stand in patsy (Barack Obama Sr.) to claim paternity.
I think Momma (Madelyn Dunham) sent Stanley-Ann to Washington State to have the baby and possibly give it up for adoption. (Mentioned in Barack Sr's immigration file.)
And whether Sr’s parents could afford to send him various places. Remember how we heard initially that Sr’s father was a poor goat-herder, and then it turned out to be that his father was actually quite wealthy? Accepting financial aid doesn’t mean that a person can’t afford something - especially when the person in question is a communist.
His letters (Barak Obama Sr.) back home indicate finances were a struggle for him. His Father HATED the notion of his Luo blood being mixed with that of an inferior White woman. The notion that ANYONE was willing to pay for a pleasure jaunt for Barrack Sr and Stanley Ann to go to Kenya is just silly in my mind.
Stanley Ann couldn't afford it, neither could Barack Sr, and those who COULD afford it had no sensible/believable reason for doing so.
Airlines were generally not allowed to sell a foreign citizen a oneway ticket, except under certain specific exceptions. Barack Obama Sr. normally would have been required to purchase a roundtrip ticket before coming to the United States. While it is true he did not have enough of his own money to afford that kind of travel, there are a number of possible scenarios in which someone else could have funded his travel, but not his other expenses.
I’ve known other people who spent thousands of dollars of other peoples’ money traveling between continents to satisfy the visa requirements to leave a nation after so mnay days or months, yet slept on other people’s living room couch because they could not afford an apartment or lodging.
It is unlikely that Ann would have traveled with Barack Obama Sr. or had her travel expenses paid by him. Supposedly Ann may have been trying unsuccessfully to (1) gain acceptance into the Kenyan Obama family and/or arrange for the child to be adopted by the Kenyan Obama family. Such efforts did not necessarily require her purported husband to be there when she did so.
Ann’s family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the father’s Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.
If Ann was in love with Sr and pregnant, and both Ann and Madeyln thought that going to Kenya was the only way to get him to marry her, it would be a reason for Dunhams to pay the way.
I think that’s the scenario that Corsi has said his research supports.
I try not to get into the issues beyond the actual legal documentation so I’m not pushing any particular view and honestly have no idea what happened. But I don’t know that cost is necessarily prohibitive to any of the theories.
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