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Obama's Citizenship

Posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:25 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..


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To: Yosemitest
Redoing image of James Orengo, who is Kenyan minister of lands and a parliamentarian for the Ugenya constituency.
141 posted on 03/23/2012 12:49:07 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: WhiskeyX
Telling her she could not and would not do so would have been tantamount to a dare she could not ignore. In later years, she lived in places such as Indonesia without a husband or other chaperons to accompany her on her travels. So, there is no evidence to indicate she did not and could not have done so as a rebellious 19 year old ideologue.

Money.

142 posted on 03/23/2012 6:10:54 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yosemitest; butterdezillion
Are you supporting the theory that Barack Hussein Obama's grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, didn't know where she was, when she saw the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II?

I am supporting the theory that she didn't understand the question, and the guy asking it didn't understand her answer. I have NEVER put stock in the so-called pronouncements of Grandma Sarah. I've heard the tape. The Question was leading and misleading at the same time, specifically calculated to get her to say something that can be interpreted as Barack having been born in Kenya.

Do you think the Kenyan Ambassador is a liar?

No, I think he doesn't know what he's talking about. I think he is just repeating what he's heard.

There's no need for me to restate the witnesses' testimony given in post #34.

I don't know what witness to whom you are referring, but I saw nothing I regard as credible. Hearsay means nothing.

There's Barack Hussein Obama II admitting he was Kenyan-born on Sunday, June 27, 2004, to the AP in the 2004 Senate Race.

It is my belief that Barack continuously said or insinuated that he was from Kenya, up until he started running for President, and someone who was not as ignorant and stupid as he was informed him that if he wasn't born in the United States, he couldn't run for President. After that, he dropped the "I was born in Kenya" bullsh*t and started claiming he was born in Hawaii.

I personally think he used the "I'm from Kenya" shtick to make himself seem more exotic and appealing to his constituents. It's not the first time someone lied about their origins for their advantage.

I believe butterdezillion has posted on this phenomena. At one point Barack was claiming he was from Kenya, but after 2006, he stopped doing that. Am I right about this Butter?

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Yes, i'm very familiar with it. I have argued with obots endlessly about how he originally claimed to be from Kenya, and this is why everyone THOUGHT he was from Kenya. The master of Lying was lying... Again.

143 posted on 03/23/2012 6:29:37 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yosemitest
I'm familiar with all of that. None of it is Proof. Barack had been saying he was from Kenya for years. That people should believe him and repeated it is to be expected.

My position is that we don't know WHERE he is from, because we haven't seen anything that can be regarded as actual proof. The Kenyan birth theory is the longest long shot of the entire group we have to choose from, and the evidence of which I am familiar argues against it.

Again, you come up with something other than "hearsay" and I will certainly be glad to look at it. Till then, I will regard the "Kenyan birth theory" as very unlikely.

144 posted on 03/23/2012 6:35:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Thank you, my problem was that I don’t tolerate anyone accusing me of being a “troll,” which to me is calling me a leftist troublemaker. I would describe myself as very conservative with some libertarian leanings. My problem with Romney is a very liberal track record on issues like abortion, the radical homosexual issue, global warming, judicial nominees, Romneycare, etc. Believe me, Obamunism is ushering in a socialism on a scale like FDR or LBJ, so I understand the importance of defeating Obama. My point is that we should not become so desperate as to take a liberal republican who, in my opinion, is ideologically on par with Bill Clinton. If Romney had a genuine conversion I might bite, but I fear the worst. Anyhow, I really overlooked the importance of Obama’s eligibility and this looks like a solid case.

I understand completely. If we are going to get someone who will implement the same policies as Obama, but just do them more slowly to make them palatable, then what we need is a double dosing force feed of Obama to make the nation retch therapeutically.

The poison needs to be expelled, not taken in smaller doses.

I have long thought that I would prefer a Liberal Democrat to a Liberal Republican, because at least the blame will fall where it needs to when everything predictably goes to Hell.

145 posted on 03/23/2012 6:44:37 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yosemitest
Do you think Kenyan minister and parliamentarian James Orengo is a liar, also?

Unless you can demonstrate that he was present at Barry's birth, and has first hand knowledge of what he is talking about, I can only presume that he is repeating the same crap Obama was selling for most of his career.

The source of all these statements and confusion begins with the master of lies. Obama lied, and people have been repeating it ever since.

146 posted on 03/23/2012 6:47:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Responding to Posts #143, #144, and #146, I can only say
I understand what you have written, and see no further reason to present you with facts.
I guess someone could show you photos or a home movie of Obama, the newborn, being held by his mother, with his father behind him, at the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and you'd have an excuse for that also?
How about a BOAC Passenger Manifest from Vancouver, Canada, with Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Obama, and infant, listed on it,
or maybe a canceled BOAC ticket from Nairobi to London, with a connecting flight from London to Vancouver, Canada in their names.
No, you wouldn't believe that either.
147 posted on 03/23/2012 12:31:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

OPM (Other People’s Money).

It appears the Certificate of American Citizenship recorded by the U.S. Consular officer with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) may ultimately support the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Kenya to a single U.S. parent in or about August 1961. So, it appears quite possible for the teenage future anthropologist to give birth in Kenya and fly home with the baby.


148 posted on 03/24/2012 4:17:02 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Yosemitest
I understand what you have written, and see no further reason to present you with facts.

You have yet to present any "facts." Hearsay is not "facts." It's utter crap.

I guess someone could show you photos or a home movie of Obama, the newborn, being held by his mother, with his father behind him, at the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and you'd have an excuse for that also?

Such evidence would be perfectly acceptable. It would not be "hearsay", it would be actual evidence. Do you have some "actual" evidence?

How about a BOAC Passenger Manifest from Vancouver, Canada, with Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Obama, and infant, listed on it, or maybe a canceled BOAC ticket from Nairobi to London, with a connecting flight from London to Vancouver, Canada in their names.

That would be fantastic. Such a thing would be very difficult to refute. In fact, a man has claimed to have discovered such information, and yet it is still mysteriously not available. If you have such information, I assure you that would move me over to your side.

Telling me about what unsubstantiated rumors keep getting repeated in Africa is just unhelpful. The Birth in Kenya theory is very unlikely, Not impossible, but very very unlikely. Till something comes out to make it more plausible, I will have to regard the idea as far fetched.

No, you wouldn't believe that either.

You aren't going to insult or brow beat me into believing the theory you wish to believe. If you can't present good evidence, then you needn't be surprised that people don't accept your theory.

MOST people with whom I speak on this subject think the Kenyan birth theory is nothing but kook territory, right up there with UFOs, the Kennedy Assassination and Fake moon landings. *I* am at least willing to consider it, but not on the basis of crap evidence.

Show how it was paid for, show a passenger manifest, or show a video of Stanly in Kenya, and you've got something. Tell me what the non-english speaking grandmother answered to a leading question, or regale me with the latest rumors out of a third world backwater, and you've got nothing.

149 posted on 03/24/2012 1:02:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WhiskeyX
OPM (Other People’s Money).

It appears the Certificate of American Citizenship recorded by the U.S. Consular officer with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) may ultimately support the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Kenya to a single U.S. parent in or about August 1961. So, it appears quite possible for the teenage future anthropologist to give birth in Kenya and fly home with the baby.

I know of no such document. Were such a document to be brought forth (and verified to be legit) then it would definitely boost the theory that Barack Obama II was born in Kenya. Should such a document come forth, I would be very concerned about it being a fabrication, as have so far been other documents coming out of Kenya.

If it is in US Government files, then I won't doubt it's credibility. Do you know of such a document?

150 posted on 03/24/2012 1:07:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WhiskeyX; Yosemitest
It appears the Certificate of American Citizenship recorded by the U.S. Consular officer with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) may ultimately support the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Kenya to a single U.S. parent in or about August 1961. So, it appears quite possible for the teenage future anthropologist to give birth in Kenya and fly home with the baby.

Okay, I just looked at the "natural born citizen" articles, and I see the one to which you are referring. If this holds up, this is a very interesting and exciting development. It would thrill me to death if I am wrong about this, and Obama really was born in Kenya!

I am afraid to get my hopes up though. Too many times have I heard of some wonderful piece of evidence that later turned out to be misleading or fake, but if it turns out this is legit, I may well be kissing your feet (and Yosemitest too) and begging your forgiveness for every having doubted this theory.

Again, I would be THRILLED to be wrong about this. Birth in Kenya is so simple a violation of the "natural born citizen" rule, even the public can understand it.

151 posted on 03/24/2012 1:18:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
No one wants you to "kiss anyone's feet", except maybe Jesus Christ's.
Know how the "Father of Lies" works. All I want is for you to consider the information put forward. No, don't ask me for forgiveness, because it isn't necessary in an honest debate.
But do the research, and
152 posted on 03/24/2012 4:37:54 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: WhiskeyX; All
Thank you for the information.

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Thanks again.
153 posted on 03/24/2012 5:00:51 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Bookmark for tomorrow.


154 posted on 03/24/2012 5:27:07 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Welcome to FR, ASS er, Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri!
155 posted on 03/24/2012 5:28:59 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: WhiskeyX

Diogenes et al construct intricate flow charts of sophistry which have but one aim: explain it all away before the truth gets a toehold in the public discourse. Stanley Ann had access to money, her parents were not by any measure poor. And, they were leftists, and therefore probably embraced S.A.’s “modern” choices. Obama Sr. would have wanted his son born in the home country for cultural reasons, ergo, it seems, based on ALL the evidence, that he made that happen. It doesn’t matter at this point. The posted BC is a common fraud, making the President a suspect for fraud, and impeachable. Diogenes’ efforts can only be characterized as an epic fail at this point.


156 posted on 03/24/2012 5:36:46 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
Romney may be a RINO, but anyone who would stay home and allow Dumb0 the Resident another 4 years to finish destroying America has drunk the Kool-Aid.


Be carefull who you accuse of having drank the Kool-Aid.

Even JR said he will stay home if Romney gets the nomination.
157 posted on 03/24/2012 6:25:51 PM PDT by OneVike ((Just a Christian waiting to go home) internet ID:: impeachobamanow)
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To: DiogenesLamp

There is a problem with this. It assumes he was born before June 30, 1961. But there is no evidence of that.

When you look at the July 1, 1961 to June 30, 1962 (including August 4th, 1961). There were only 21 people who came from Kenya by sea or air. Of those fourteen were aliens and 7 were citizens. Of those only one alien traveled by air and no citizens traveled by air.

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/73/mode/1up

Page 74, Table 31 Passangers Arriving in the United States, by Sea and Air, from Foreign Countries, By Country of Embarkation


158 posted on 03/24/2012 9:09:14 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: DiogenesLamp

There is a problem with this. It assumes he was born before June 30, 1961. But there is no evidence of that.

When you look at the July 1, 1961 to June 30, 1962 (including August 4th, 1961). There were only 21 people who came from Kenya by sea or air. Of those fourteen were aliens and 7 were citizens. Of those only one alien traveled by air and no citizens traveled by air.

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/73/mode/1up

Page 74, Table 31 Passengers Arriving in the United States, by Sea and Air, from Foreign Countries, By Country of Embarkation


159 posted on 03/24/2012 9:09:28 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Thanks for this thread.


160 posted on 03/24/2012 9:15:20 PM PDT by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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