Posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:25 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..
Actually, there has been released two Kenyan birth certificates (one with footprints; one w/o), but authentication for those is no more or less established than for Barry's version.
With footprints:
http://theobamafile.com/_people/LucasSmith.htm
Without footprints:
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/obama-kenyan-kenyan-birth-certificate-orly-taitz-smoking-gun-obama-not-natural-born-citizen-usurper-mombasa-kenya-birth-certificate/
While I agree with everything else you said, it is this statement to which I have to take exception. How do you KNOW there are no hospital records of Obozo's birth?
I cannot see a hospital either confirming or denying someone's medical records. A Lack of a statement from any hospital doesn't prove anything.
Are there statements from hospitals AFFIRMING that there are no records? If not, we cannot draw conclusions from negative information. We can only draw conclusions from positive affirmations.
I personally suspect he was born in Canada, but Hawaiian Hospitals keeping mum are not proof of this.
This is a false meme. Americans were not barred from traveling to Pakistan, they were warned that it might be dangerous. An American COULD travel to Pakistan during this time, but it would have been a foolish thing to do.
That being said, I also suspect he used an Indonesian passport.
There was no problem with traveling to Pakistan in 1981 under a U.S. passport. There was a travel advisory. You were advised that it might be dangerous. But there was no prohibition on traveling to Pakistan in 1981 on a U.S. passport.
There is a very legitmate looking Kenyan birth certificate online.
People have said it is a forgery because of thi or that, but others have debuinked those objections.
To date it is still 1000% more believable than the FRAUD Obama foisted on the public.
WHO CREATED BARACK OBAMA’S FRAUDLULENT BC AND WHY?
WHO OREDERED THEM TO DO IT?
WHAT “TEAM OF LAWERS” WENT TO HAWAII TO “SIGHN WAIVERS” TO GET HIS BC?
WHY DID HE NEED TO “SIGN WAIVERS”?
WHAT ARE THESE “WAIVERS”?
Agree! the “prove your eligibility” drumbeat must continue to grow and echo nationwide.
If there had been hospital records they would have been released to silence the controversy. They have not been, and that silence is the best indication we have about him. This is also supported by the fact that at different times his birth has been attributed to different Hospitals in HI.
I never used the word, “proof”. Proof implies certainty, there is no certainty concerning Obozo’s history. His past is clearly “conjured”.
The Democrat Party has been allowed to gut our Armed Forces, shaping and politicizing its current upper leadership. This has been purposefully done so that the Armed Forces have forgotten their Constitutional obligation, thus tacitly supporting the Democrat Party's un-Constitutional activities.
All should remember that starting with Clinton all Democrat Presidents have overtly wanted control of the Armed Forces to operate within the United States and/or a separate internal Armed Force under their direct control. Obama represents the peak of this desire, coming very close to realizing the Democrat's goal.
The light of Freedom is very close to being extinguished.
LOL
That’s what it’s like to be the FNG.
This is something I have never understood. It seems to be a common practice to immediately look at the signup date of someone whenever they appear here and post a comment. I realize that Liberal trolls show up here to sow dissent and act as agents provocateur, but why the automatic assumption that newbies are always trolls?
I have been posting here for almost a year now, and everything i've written is hard core conservative, yet a few weeks ago, there were those alleging I was a troll. (Because I pooh poohed their theory that Stanley Ann Dunham is not Barry's mother.)
Conservatives may disagree on things, and MANY conservatives do not agree with the "birther" issue in any form. "Ace" of Ace of Spades HQ is a die hard conservative, but he will not accept or tolerate any suggestion that Barack Obama is not legitimate. He is NOT a liberal, he just happens to be a conservative who disagrees with myself and others on this issue.
I would suggest that his is the majority opinion currently among conservatives, especially among those leaning towards the established orthodoxy.
In any case, I urge people to withhold judgement of people until they make it clear that they are a troll, rather than a conservative with which we might disagree.
Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri, I welcome you to Free Republic, and I will grant you the courtesy of presuming you to be one of us until you should conduct yourself in such a way that I should presume otherwise.
And a lot of us little peons would rally to his side.
I believe Newt is a patriot. Whether he gets the nomination or not, I hope and pray that he will be the attack dog against Obama. His ability to file a LAWSUIT would depend on being the R candidate, I think. But at this point I don’t even want a lawsuit because the judiciary is fatally corrupted. At this point our best shot is a criminal trial, for which there would be a jury.
So calls by Newt for an independent prosecutor to conduct a criminal investigation would be a FANTASTIC thing.
Get Newt and Donald Trump both demanding this and things could heat up quickly.
Mike Evans said in a radio interview that HI Gov Neil Abercrombie told him he went to both hospitals with a search warrant and was not able to find birth records for Obama.
A search warrant would overrule HIPAA. So would a subpoena.
Amen to this! We need to wage economic war on them. We need to refrain from buying their products or the products of those who associate with them.
I just recently learned that "Progressive Insurance" is a big supporter of liberal groups, and if anyone buys insurance from "Progressive" they need to immediately find another insurance company.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2721677/posts
At this point he has nothing else to lose. I doubt he will do it though. He still likes to socialize with those people.
People have said it is a forgery because of thi or that, but others have debuinked those objections.
I believe in the veracity of any supposed Kenyan documents to the same extent I believe in the Email from a Nigerian who needs me to help him transfer some money.
I put absolutely no stock in anything which purports to come from the nation of Kenya. I have little doubt you can buy a document from there that will say anything you want it to say.
This is a non sequitur. Just because YOU see that as the best course of action, does not mean that Obama sees it as the best course of action. His reasons for doing or not doing something are not PROOF of anything.
They have not been, and that silence is the best indication we have about him.
He does not legally have to release any of these records, so why should he? The Hospital cannot release them without his permission, even if they exist. The fact that none have been released is not proof that they don't exist.
This is also supported by the fact that at different times his birth has been attributed to different Hospitals in HI.
Proof of a mistake, not proof of non-existance. It is reasonable to think that some people might not know what hospital they are born in.
I never used the word, “proof”. Proof implies certainty, there is no certainty concerning Obozo’s history. His past is clearly “conjured”.
I'm just saying, we should only exhibit certainty about those things of which we can be certain about. At the moment, I put the existence or non-existence of his medical records into the "have no proof one way or the other" category.
Affirmative statements from the Hospitals themselves attesting that they have no records would move it into the "proven" category. Absent that, we have to leave it as a variable.
Again, I THINK he has no hospital records, (not in Hawaii anyway) but I don't KNOW if this is true or not.
With apologies to David Letterman, here are the Top Ten Reasons Ann Coulter is "in the bag for Romney"...
#10--She converted to Mormonism, so being anti-Romney is no longer an option.
#9--She slipped on her loofah in the shower and hit her head on the left side.
#8--She figured it might be a way to get on Rosie O'Donnell's show, before it was cancelled.
#7--She was tired of the cheap CPAC honorariums and veering left was a quick out.
#6--Wanted to boost book sales by appealing to the Dem market for a change....well, for Dems who can read.
#5--Having fun playing "Boys with Benefits" with Romney's five sons.
#4--"Actually, Romney looks much better in private than he does at a Tea Party Rally."
#3--When your temperature hits 108, you'll say almost anything.
#2--"One lousy comment about Obama, and I woke up at the Huffington Post....had to lie my way out, and it got to be a habit!"
And the number one reason Anne Coulter is "in the bag" for Romney....
#1--Too many "Pink Lady's"
There is a very good reason that Stanley Ann showed up in Washignton State only days after the supposed birthdate of little barry bassturd ... and it has nothing to do with airplane flights from Hawaii.
A search warrant would overrule HIPAA. So would a subpoena.
Now see, THAT is what I would call PROOF, except for one thing. It is "Hearsay." If it could be VERIFIED, then it would be proof, but the statement of someone regarding the actions of another is second hand testimony, and is not really proof.
Is there a way we can verify whether or not a search warrant was actually issued, and that the Hospitals admit to having no records?
We need to be very careful about repeating things which are not proven, but if they are proven, we need to cite the proof which verifies them. If this has been proven, it needs to be circulated widely. However, I don't think Mike Evans saying so is proof. He recanted about what he said regarding Gov Abercrombie not being able to find a birth certificate, so in any arena of public scrutiny, his credibility has been compromised.
I would love for this to be true though.
I agree. It is my suspicion that she was there all along. In 1961, I cannot imagine the Family wanting to have her around to give birth to the child of a black man. I think she left Hawaii to stay with relatives (Either Ralph Dunham, or Eleanor Birkebeile, both living in Northwest Washington state at the time) prior to his birth. This was the custom for embarrassing pregnancies of that era.
I have already pointed out how Madelyn Dunham's co-workers were not aware she had a grandchild until they heard he was running for President. Had Madelyn been proud of her grandson (the normal behavior of a grandmother) she would have told her co-workers when he was born, and likely have pictures of him upon her desk. ( I should say most people would.)
The fact that they remained in the dark about his existence implies that Madelyn Dunham was initially uncomfortable with the social stigma attached at this time. She was from Kansas, but lived in Oklahoma and Texas where (at the time) it was a FELONY CRIME to produce mixed race children.
I think Barry was born in White Rock or Vancouver Canada, and only has a weak connection to American citizenship through the actions of his Grandmother back in Hawaii, who filed an at home birth registration with the state.
So far, I know of no evidence which impugns this probability thread.
If I understand it correctly, this is where an actual criminal investigation would have powers that an investigative posse would not have. The posse could ask either Mike Evans or Neil Abercrombie to speak with them but I don’t think it could require them to be deposed. An actual criminal investigation could require depositions, although I’m not sure whether there would first have to be criminal charges filed against somebody.
I don’t know what subpoena powers the posse has, but since there is probable cause for crimes, a criminal investigation should be able to get access to phone records, search warrant records, hospital records, etc, I would think.
The difficult part is that anything that comes from Hawaii is just as likely to be fake as to be genuine - and the posse is aware of that as well. You might remember that Eric Holder is trying (and maybe has succeeded by now) in changing the FOIA rules to allow agencies to lie about the existence of records. Since the OIP aligns their interpretation of HI law to conform to FOIA standards, that could mean that Hawaii can claim that search warrant records don’t exist when they actually do. It could also mean that NARA could say that records for Aug 1-7 don’t exist when they actually do... Etc ad nauseum.
This is why people need to understand that the corruption and crimes WITHIN OUR OWN GOVERNMENT mean that we can never know ANYTHING.
Just looking at the phone records for Mike Evans could be very revealing. I believe when he recanted he claimed that he hadn’t actually spoken with Abercrombie, just somebody in Abercrombie’s office. It would be interesting to see the phone records - for both the time when he would have spoken to Abercrombie AND both phone and e-mail records for the time between his radio claims and the time he recanted. Who all did he speak to before deciding to say that he had never claimed to speak to Abercrombie (which he clearly DID claim in his radio spots).
Evans seems like an honest guy. He came out with these claims all on his own. He would have had the access to Abercrombie that he claimed he had, because of his past dealings with Abercrombie. That he - a man whose livelihood depends upon being credible - would so quickly reverse himself and claim something that is easily disproven by listening to the actual audiotape smacks of pressure and/or threats and actually makes his original claims MORE believable, IMHO.
What Evans said Abercrombie told him fits in well with what Abercrombie told a columnist at the Star-Advertiser (that a month-long investigation had resulted in finding that something was “actually written down” but that this was going to be a real problem for Obama because what they have would not convince doubters - NOT what would be said if the original BC was bound in the book right where it belonged, as Fukino later claimed - and PARTICULARLY not if the BC was also in the security microfilms created in 1961, which is what Arpaio wants to see).
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