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Posted on 03/25/2012 6:01:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre

I used to run a lot...in my younger years.

In the mid 90s I was running 20-25 miles every sunday afternoon, and around 10 miles the other days of the week. It all ended in '96 when I developed knee problems and iliotibial band friction syndrome, snapping hip syndrome, and chronic tendonitis of the iliotibial band, and also serious problems with the muscle attached to the iliotibial band...and a few other things like ganglion cysts in my feet and meniscus issues with the knees, and some other stuff. I went to doctors. I took pills, took supplements, did strengthening excercizes, stretching...nothing worked. I had to quit running. I ended up with ulcers from the pills I was taking.

I started back into running around '99-2000 but only mildly, like 2-4 miles 3 times a week, but I was overweight and screwed up a knee real bad on a steep hill after only 3-4 months back into it.

I decided then I had to quit for good. The knee problem appeared to be permanent.

Around the year 2009-2010, one day I noticed my knee had not been bothering me for quite a while. I kept testing it on stairs for several months. I would use it more when carrying something heavy. It appeared to be 100% healed for everyday ordinary activities. It seemed like a miracle.

So, after thinking about it for a very long time...I got back into running again in the spring of 2011. Very gently at first. I walked for a few months before attempting to jog. Then a mixture of jogging/walking. Then I jogged only very very slowly and only 1-2 miles. Then 2-3 miles. Never more than 3 times per week. I was content to just stay at that level indefinitely then something went wrong. I started getting unusually severe muscle cramps in my feet and calves so I quit...didn't even walk.

Then I got back into running again this January. Again, I started out walking only, and being very cautious. Then a mixture of walking and jogging. Then jogging only very short distances and only 3 times a week.

Well, something amazing happened. About a 4 weeks ago I started having incredible amounts of energy(and no, I am not taking pills or drugs or hormones). Towards the end of my 2 mile jog, I would get an overpowering urge to run very fast. So I did. It felt good. I started running every single day and sometimes twice a day. I started increasing the distance. I started running faster and faster. I had to fight the urge to run my jogging route a second time after reaching the end of the route. I started feeling like I was 20 years younger. My waistline started to slim. The veins in my arms and legs began bulging. I started running up steps two steps at a time whenever there were stairs in my path anytime during the day. My skin looks younger, tighter, smoother and more resilient. I have the color of a 20 year old now. I have a girlfriend that is technically young enough to be my daughter.

Then I went too far.

One day I got the stupid idea to go run 10 kilometers to see if I maybe could enter a 10k race sometime this year. I've been in pain ever since. The old iliotibial band problems came back within hours after running that 10k, and they came back with a vengeance. 6 hours afterwards, I could barely walk.

My question is, how the hell do I make this crap go away AND STAY AWAY! Its been over 15 years now and I am sick of it. I do not want to quit running again. I refuse to start taking pills for inflammation.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: band; exercise; friction; iliotibial; running; syndrome
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1 posted on 03/25/2012 6:01:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Einstein

Do weight training and yoga.


2 posted on 03/25/2012 6:04:29 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: mamelukesabre

get a prescription for stupid pills.


3 posted on 03/25/2012 6:04:56 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: mamelukesabre

At some point we all have to realize that our bodies can no longer do what they once did. I’ve had to realize that several years ago when I had my hip replaced and my running ended. Walking and bike riding are replacements.


4 posted on 03/25/2012 6:05:26 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: mamelukesabre

You just wanted to rub it in that even with all your problems, you still are in better shape than 99% of all other FReepers. :->


5 posted on 03/25/2012 6:06:52 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mamelukesabre

kettlebells..! yaaay..!


6 posted on 03/25/2012 6:06:58 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: mamelukesabre
My advice is go see a sports doctor and let him tell you what to do, don't you tell him what you're willing to do. It works better that way.
7 posted on 03/25/2012 6:07:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mamelukesabre

for later


8 posted on 03/25/2012 6:08:18 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: mamelukesabre

I believe our bodies are like our cars. They are only good for so many miles and then they start falling apart.
Work them too hard and they fall apart early. If this were not true men who worked themselves to death, for example farmers, would be in such good shape they would live forever. Ever see an old time farmer? They were physical wrecks in their old age.


9 posted on 03/25/2012 6:08:45 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: mamelukesabre
What if you took up swimming, biking &/or speedwalking and got a somewhat older girlfriend?

Just sayin' ;)

10 posted on 03/25/2012 6:10:43 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: mamelukesabre
I have fairly successfully saved my knees for skiing in my old age by eschewing running in favor of bike riding with a high crank rpm.

YMMV.

11 posted on 03/25/2012 6:14:31 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: mamelukesabre

Aging is tough. Our parts wear out or just stress and strain and hurt.

Some people change sports. I have 14 marathons behind me - half of those are racewalking. I converted both out of interest and in the reduced impact.

I have become a very good coach of new racewalkers, many of which are broken runners. I also know former runners who are swimmers or bicyclists or who have moved from the track to the field, becoming throwers or jumpers.

As a walker I have still suffered injury. I turned to chiropractic and massage for assistance. I changed my warmup stretching routine. But despite those measures I am still almost 60. Can’t change that.


12 posted on 03/25/2012 6:15:05 PM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: mamelukesabre

Embrace sloth and drink heavily.


13 posted on 03/25/2012 6:15:50 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: mamelukesabre

What you need to do is turn nineteen next birthday. That will solve most all of your physical problems and your wife might like it too.


14 posted on 03/25/2012 6:18:07 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion xa)
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To: mamelukesabre

LOL...Spend more time with your honey. Trust me. It’s better than running.


15 posted on 03/25/2012 6:18:07 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: mamelukesabre

Keep your heart rate below 185-your age. Always stretch after running. Always ice down anything that hurts.


16 posted on 03/25/2012 6:22:20 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: mamelukesabre

Fools run where angels fear to tread.


17 posted on 03/25/2012 6:22:54 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (.Angels wear treads?? Who knew?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Give up on the running, and get on your bike and ride!


18 posted on 03/25/2012 6:23:33 PM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: mamelukesabre
It sure sounds like overuse.

I have used walking poles for over 3 years (I also have run much in my life - I'm now 60) and they are perhaps the answer for you. Excellent enjoyable workouts as you stroll about town, on grass (anything but gravel). Go to the site - the owner inventor is a former marathoner who developed these just for folks like us. He is in Madison WI. I am not affiliated with him; just a happy user.

http://www.walkingpoles.com/
19 posted on 03/25/2012 6:24:14 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: muir_redwoods

LOL - Heeee Heeeeee!


20 posted on 03/25/2012 6:24:50 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Ride a bike or swim instead. Running is really tough on the joints.


21 posted on 03/25/2012 6:26:40 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: mamelukesabre

see a professional about your need to stay in tip-top physical condition.

:You’ll be better off if you gain a few pounds before the coming famine.


22 posted on 03/25/2012 6:27:14 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: mamelukesabre; All

Music to read the replies by...(FReeper humor BUMP!)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tWvYaiOmRs&feature=related


23 posted on 03/25/2012 6:27:56 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: mamelukesabre

Patient:
“Doc, it hurts when I do that!”

Doctor:
“Don’t do that.”


24 posted on 03/25/2012 6:28:16 PM PDT by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: mamelukesabre

It may be a tear in the meniscus, easily repaired with a simple arthroscopy. If it is tendon damage the surgery may be more involved...but still fixable. Pounding your joints on a regular basis may be counter-productive.


25 posted on 03/25/2012 6:29:16 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: jimfree

I did cycling for several years, then had a major accident. I broke my nose, both cheekbones, upper jawbone, a tooth, and a bone in my neck. That was 5 years ago and I still have issues with pinched nerves in my neck.

No more cycling.


26 posted on 03/25/2012 6:29:49 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
"how the hell do I make this crap go away AND STAY AWAY!"

Take up cycling. Running will kill your body. You know the old joke among cyclists: "If running doesn't kill you, it will bore you to death!"

Bikes are far more entertaining too, cover a lot more ground and plenty of breeze to cool you off.

Problem on FR is all the exercise avoiders that hate people riding wearing bright Spandex.

27 posted on 03/25/2012 6:29:54 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: mamelukesabre

http://www.runningplanet.com/training/iliotibial-band-syndrome.html

http://www.joshstrength.com/articles/attention-endurance-athletes-do-not-resist-resistance-training

I hate Standford but they have an answer.


28 posted on 03/25/2012 6:30:55 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Full disclosure: I'm not a doctor or physical therapist. But I am a runner who's suffered from ITB issues. Perhaps you've already tried this, but ITB issues can be controlled by rolling your outer thigh over a hard tube. Lay on your side and roll up and down so that the tube transits the entire length of your thigh. Managing ITB generally requires deep tissue massage so it might hurt. Do this every day in order to stretch your ITB out.

Also, make sure you don't always run on the side of the road; the crown can wreak havoc on whichever knee faces out.

29 posted on 03/25/2012 6:32:47 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Running was made obsolete by Smith & Wesson.


30 posted on 03/25/2012 6:34:24 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: mamelukesabre

What’s the adage? ... “getting old is not for cowards”. Simply put, we aren’t as young as we once were. I would say run if it doesn’t hurt but in short distances... say a mile or two. Just my two cents but I hope you feel better soon.


31 posted on 03/25/2012 6:35:57 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: mamelukesabre

Oh my! Some of the people I speak of are stationary cyclists.


32 posted on 03/25/2012 6:42:25 PM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Drango

Thanks! I will try some of that...especially the part about running faster. I will make my runs shorter and faster, and try doing the strengthening exercises. As soon as I get healed up I will start on those ideas.


33 posted on 03/25/2012 6:44:54 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Try this book:

Specific Stretching for Everyone

http://www.amazon.com/Specific-stretching-everyone-Aaron-Mattes/dp/0965639622

I’ve found that the older I get, the more crucial a good stretching routine has become.

As suggested, I would give up running if I were you. Try brisk walking-like 15 min. miles. Swimming and biking are also easy on the joints. I hate pool swimming as I like scenery, so I walk mostly.

Are you in an area where you can hike (hills, mountains if possible)? Great exercise. Have you tried backpacking? Keep your pack below 25 lbs. Great for clearing your head and giving you self confidence.

Are there bike paths nearby so you don’t have to ride with traffic?

Take care of yourself.


34 posted on 03/25/2012 6:49:41 PM PDT by randita
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To: mamelukesabre
Take a drag or two.

35 posted on 03/25/2012 6:49:54 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Never really been a runner (it bores the s**t out of me), but I lifted weights for quite some time. One simple rule I learned during my weightlifting: If it hurts, don’t do it. That is your body telling you something, and you’d best listen.

Simple....but kept me from getting seriously hurt in a weightroom (in fact, never got hurt). I’d advise the same when it comes to your running or whatever else you choose to do for exercise.


36 posted on 03/25/2012 6:50:14 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Drango

I just tried the hip shrug exercises. No way can I do that in my current condition. Hurts WAY too much. I’ll try it again in a few days. But the fact that it does hurt so so bad tells me there is something to it. I think it really is zeroing in on the problem.


37 posted on 03/25/2012 6:50:43 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I was an athlete back when dinosaurs ruled the Earth.

Busted my ACL playing football and kept running on it for 26 more years. Finally, a torn achilles tendon put an end to running.

After 4 years of barely being able to walk, I discovered NutriJoint from www.vrp.com It works well with fish oil caps (keep them refrigerated after opening). Tendon grew BACK in 3 months!

I am still avoiding the knee replacement. I want to wait and get the one with the power assist.


38 posted on 03/25/2012 6:54:00 PM PDT by darth
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To: mamelukesabre

Talk to you DR about doing your training in water... Did a good job for me..


39 posted on 03/25/2012 6:54:54 PM PDT by satan69 (garden)
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To: mamelukesabre

Consider high-intensity interval training or sprints instead. Otherwise, choose a low-impact workout.

Osteo-Arthritis is yet another issue you may wind up with.


40 posted on 03/25/2012 6:55:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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Ah, the story of my life! And I’ll be 67 next month!

But I’m now down to only a mile or two at a time, so many runner’s injuries over so many years.....

Go get the book on Barefoot Running......many believe that most runner’s injuries are actually from.........today’s running shoes! The more expensive the shoe, the more extensive the injuries!

God never designed our bods to run on our heels....the balls of the foot, the arch, the Achilles and the calf are all designed to absorb the shock of running - but one must learn it from youth as many Africans have. You can’t just jump into it.

Google the Harvard study on barefoot running.......and you’ll get the idea......many serious runners are headed this route.....with Vibram Five Fingers, or other similar minimalist shoes.....


41 posted on 03/25/2012 7:04:45 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Get a recumbant exercise bike for your cardio...no shock or pounding.


42 posted on 03/25/2012 7:08:09 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mamelukesabre
I had a bum shoulder after bench pressing too much. Doc wanted to do surgery. I said no, went home, and started taking 8 fish oil capsules a day. After about a month and a half, the pain was completely gone. Fish oil is an excellent natural anti-inflammatory. Try it. I buy enteric coated pills so I dont burp.
43 posted on 03/25/2012 7:12:14 PM PDT by An American in Turkiye
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To: mamelukesabre

Large quantities of D3, hyaluronic acid, and fish oil.


44 posted on 03/25/2012 7:20:49 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I felt bad for myself because I could no longer run.
Until I met a man with no legs.


45 posted on 03/25/2012 7:27:48 PM PDT by bramps (Newt is the one)
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Chyea, I’ve seen it time and again. Stop running and switch to a less impact intensive form of exercise, like swimming or bicycling. Oh yeah, talk to your doctor about steroidal anti-inflammatories. You may also benefit from Celebrex for your arthritic symptoms.


46 posted on 03/25/2012 7:33:53 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: mamelukesabre
if you insist on running, how bout a good flexible treadmill?
47 posted on 03/25/2012 7:36:45 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mamelukesabre
Take the biking advice to heart.

I bike every day in warm months and for some days for hours at a time. Some Saturdays I'll bike 6 hours. The rush I get and the long term affects are fantastic.

I think you'd enjoy it - and your knees thank you.

48 posted on 03/25/2012 7:39:22 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: mamelukesabre

I run 2-3-4 miles, on M-W-F. More than that, my legs start telling me I’m 54 and pushing 55.

Bicycle the rest. All the gain without the pain.


49 posted on 03/25/2012 7:39:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mamelukesabre

Try swimming or get ready for weeks of recovery after knee replacements. Seriously.


50 posted on 03/25/2012 7:44:20 PM PDT by Prospero
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