Skip to comments.Putin Makes a Grand Offer to Help Obama? Has Anyone Figured This Out?
Posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:04 AM PDT by nikos1121
Ive been thinking about this all night...It doesnt make sense to me. Does anyone else feel the same way I do?
Putin is very very quick, almost too quick, to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerrys faux Paux. Why?
I don't think in the least that he fears Obama, or even respects the man as his equal. So why would he make an offer that on the surface will ultimately make Obama look good esp in the eyes of the media, and make him looks like he caved to Obama's threats?
Anyone over the age of 40 kows that the Russians are and always will be liars. They will promise anything to get what they want.
I say this whole thing is set up to expose Obama for the phony he is in this matter. It is not an offer made by a man who fears Obama. To the contrary, I believe that it's an empty offer that intends to ultimately embarrass Obama in the media even more so than he has been.
Think about this. The administration at first says Kerry's comments were rhetorical, giving us the idea that Kerry messed up, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this, and now Obama is taking credit for it. Hillary steps in too.
Makes no sense. Sounds to me like a sly move by Putin that in the end will undermine Obama even more.
I can't help but think that Putin is toying with us, and Obama and company are falling right into it. Why would the Russians be afraid of Obama esp when he says this is going to be an extremely small bombing.
So why did he offer this?
Lets think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence has made it very clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretense to rally support to bomb Syria and support the MB fight against Syria.
I think that PUtin knows it's got nothing to do with chemical weapons, and to prove it he immediately offers to take that issue off the table.
Now the ball is back in Obamas court and the MSM can applaud him as there should no longer be an issue for war. The media already are saying Obama is the smartest guy in the room. He got the Russians to cave without firing a shot. Game should be over, right?
WRONG. The Saudis, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. Its not about dying babies and chemical weapons. Its about regime change and supporting the MB. Same game as in Libya and Egypt.
Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this. NOw he's called out by the Russians and there's again no where to hide for him. If the Russians and Syrians say we're removing the weapons, the whole matter should be over.
So the Russians figure Obama will back off on his threat to bomb. What will the Russians do? They can spin this all they want for as long as they want. I predict that they will take their fine time on this. Weeks, months maybe a year. Hahahaha.
Why do I picture Putin over there with this big grin on his face. He's thinking, I'll not only beat Obama on any battle field because I know that man is a coward, but I'll beat him in the social media as well.
Does anyone actually believe that Assad will destroy his chemical weapons? Who will watch over the weapons? Hey, I got an idea, how about the Russians? Maybe they'll offer to do so in fact, I'm sure that's all part of it.
And just a thought. What if after some international scrutiny it turns out the chemical weapons came from Iraq, from Saddam? Then what? Don't think Kerry and company would like that information to get out now would they.
BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS AND AMERICAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOW CALL A VOTE ON THIS. WE NEED TO GIVE OBAMA A CLEAR "NO" ON HAVING ANY MANDATE TO BOMB SYRIA.
I'm asking for Freepers to give me their take on this. I'm saying Putin has pulled a remarkable gambit move here. I say he'll promise anything to put Obama on the spot to back off his threats, in turn exposing Obama. Putin knows the media now will run with this.
Like I said, no one with any intelligence actually believes that Obama wants to bomb Syria because of the chemical weapons. Bob Menedez, Kerry and all the other simpletons can say all they want about dying babies. I say bull.
This whole thing is predicated on the clear assumption that Assad unleashed the weapons. Where is the proof? If he did then why would he offer to destroy them or to even render them unusable. Show the American public the proof.
The whole thing on the surface makes no sense unless you start by realizing this is about Obama's long term covert support for the MB and to do what the Saudi's want him to do.
Hey Henry Kessinger, Charles Krauthammer anyone! What the heck is going on here? Please tell us.
He is giving Obu,mer the space he needs for removing of our stockpile of nukes in exchange for Syria’s.
It is the false peace through disarmament language instead of defense.
Putin has masterfully out-maneuvered Obama and now the Assad regime looks quite secure, and the Saudis look to be out of luck. Obama lost the war without firing a shot, and to fire a shot at this point would just make him look very bad.
It all makes sense if you stop and think that Ovomit made a secret deal with Russia. Remember, “After I’m re-elected I’ll have more flexibility.”?
Lao Tse said, “Always leave a bridge for your enemy to retreat over.” Putin is a true statesman. Obama has been soundly and thoroughly beaten by the Russians and Syrians. Now he’s being allowed to retreat.
As embarrassing as he is, I’m grateful that Obama is a plodding, died in the wool Marxist fool. He could have been an evil genius, moved a little slower towards his destructive goals and ended up president for life.
Well Syria is Russia’s friend. Putin saw Kerry’s gaffe as an opportunity to prevent an attack on Syria. Also he saw it as an opportunity to undermine Kerry and Obama. Your leftie media is doing all it can however to spin this Obama’s way. Anyone with half a brain sees Obama as inept and called out by Putin on this one. I loved the way Ban Ky Moon jumped in on it so quickly too but I consider him more of a useful idiot.
IMO, Putin manuvered the dope into a real corner. If he strikes, he is the international law breaker. If he does not, he looks like a blustering idiot. The dope will probably save face by declaring this was his idea all along but he will remain vigilent and if the transfer does not take place (logistically impossible to do anyway), he will strike at it. So, the ball will be back in the dopes court so to speak but whatever he does, he will look like the dope he is. Meanwhile, Putin leaves him politically weaker in the US BUT still in charge of taking apart the US from within. Putin accomplishes his strategic goal, removing the US from the playing field.
And we shall note that Assad and Putin still conveniently deny having any weapons in the area.
Now that makes sense. Assad is definitely more secure. He can now, with Russian help, beat the heck out of the rebels with impunity in fact, he comes out in the media looking like a pretty good guy. ANd he rendered Obama a true paper tiger because, as you say, Obama can’t fire a shot now.
I still think the Congress should not vote to give him the option to bomb. I sure hope republicans don’t offer some resolution that says, “We will authorize bombing if Syria doesn’t dismantle their chemical weapon stockpile in x number of days.”
He can still play the race card to accomplish that.
These are sad days for America.
Russia has allies and client states. This makes Russia a more attractive partner. Inspections are meaningless and the U.S. comes off as weak, because we profess one thing, but do another.
But in his ketchup-bleeding heart, Kerry knows full well that Americas aggression against Syria is not over sarin but natural gas. First of, Syrias biggest supporter, Russia, is the worlds leading exporter of this stuff, and supplies Europe with nearly 40% of its needs, so thats a lot of leverage, Watson. If overly irked by Americas puppets in NATO, Russia can retaliate by turning off the gas, as has been done several times already. To wiggle out of this dependence, another source of natural gas was needed, and Qatar proposed a pipeline to Europe by way of Syria, except Assad would not acquiesce. Russia is Assads main protector, after all, and Russian navy ships have docked in the Syrian port of Tartus since 1971.
I don’t think he did. I think Kerry spoke out of turn, saying something stupid, and the Russians seized on it. Obama will find some way to walk away from this. “Russia is insincere, disingenuous, stalling etc.” But the media now won’t let him.
I think the next 48 to 72 hrs will make this clear and it will all be different than how we see it now. I predict that the MSM will give Obama’s WIN OVER RUSSIANS 24/7 coverage. He will be hailed a real hero.
In the background he is a weakened president with no more authority, perhaps less, to take any military action against anyone.
The whole world is laughing at him.
Obama: ......for me, it’s crossing a red line......
Kerry: .....unbelievable horror reminiscent of Nazi blah, blah, blah.....
Obama: .....I never had a red line...the international community had one....it’s not my credibility on the line.....it’s the international community’s credibility...
Kerry: ......we must decisively invade blah blah blah....
Kerry: ......the attack will be unbelievably small ....
Susan Rice/Samantha Power: ....we have EXHAUSTED all potential diplomatic solutions......
PUTIN to ASSAD: I have a solution for this
Kerry: .....hey! I have an idea!......
Obama: ....if Syria were to relinquish.....
There isn’t a magical plan here. It is a cacophony of disconnected sycophants and one Narcissist all speaking independently.
The truth is Obama underestimated his power. Right up to the point where he found out he would never get his WPA go ahead. The only one with a plan here is Putin - the only adult on the scene.
The US media may give credit for this solution to Obama/Kerry, but the truth is the world knows the incomprehensible incompetence of this administration team.
So the game has been called on this embarrassing Special Olympics Foreign Affairs game with the US being given a token’ “we are winners, too.” trophy.
First of all it is a message for a leaders of the Middle East who aren’t wearing suits and packs their multiple underage “wifes” into a garbage bags (Obama’s pals).
Yes, I’ve read this, but why should we get involved? ON the surface we shouldn’t, unless the Saudi’s are calling the shots.
BUT CLEARLY....CLEARLY THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND ALL TO DO WITH SOMETHING ELSE, AND I SUPPOSE WHAT YOU SAY SO FAR MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
IT’S ABOUT NATURAL GAS.
"Washington is walking a temporary tightrope hoping to weaken al-Assad fatally while not appearing directly involved. Russia for its part is playing a life and death game for the future of its most effective geopolitical leverits role as the leading natural gas supplier to the EU. This year Russia's state-owned Gazprom began delivery of Russian gas to northern Germany via Nord Stream gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea from a port near St. Petersburg. Strategically vital now for the future role of Russia as an EU gas supplier, is its ability to play a strategic role in exploiting the new-found gas reserves of its former Cold war client state, Syria."
It's really just Serbia The Sequel. Pipelines and leaders who side with Russia instead of Nato. I have been doing a lot of digging and some of Europe doesn't believe it was sarin, but chlorine gas. There may not even BE any chemical weapons.
Putin has been, after all, an incredibly cruel bully over his energy empire. I can supply you with tons of links about this if you are interested but basically he is kind of a low level psychopath in business and hugely successful at making money on energy.
So glad you agree about the natural gas and this not being about chemical weapons. Only here on FR are people sane and knowledgeable it seems.
Putin probably makes deals that help his side. He doesn’t care if we are stuck with Obama.
Yet another brilliant chess move by Putin. Make a final peace offering and watch the weasel retreat. Then Assad goes back to kicking al Qaeda’s butt and you can watch Obummer in a powerless position. Israel will no longer trust him. Nevertheless the retreat is preferable since it would have only led to WWIII.
Meanwhile, CNN was encouraging Obama, (through Van Jones) to declare a “Great Victory!” because Putin offered to take the weapons.
And, if you disagree that Obama’s Syria moves were brilliant, you must be a RACIST!!!
See post #13. Makes the most sense of anything said thus far. IF true Obama will try and find another way to get Assad out of there. For now Assad is secure and so is Russi’a Natural Gas Pipeline.
In fact, the more I read #13 the funnier it gets. Putin truly pulled a fast one here, and the American Media is jumping all over it.
I watched that stupid and naïve Stephanie Cutter going into labial flutter about how Obama’s show of force caused Putin to cave. She is clueless totally clueless.
Obama, the Saudis etc want Assad out, and they saw a quick way to do so via the chemical weapons, only problem the Brits saw thru this, and backed off.
Obama was sitting out there with his pants off...trying to build up courage to take on the Syrians with a few bombs that might escalate to get Assad out of there, now thanks to Kerry Assad is secure and the Russians are the Peacemakers.
This is good for the Christians in the area too. The best thing that can happen for everyone, is the status quo. Assad should turn and kick the pants of the rebels with Russian support.
IMHO, I think the issues are far beyond economics, politics, religion or morality.
I suspect the major power players are so power hungry, they are positioning themselves to be the AntiChrist, and they really, really, really think they can win.
Maybe for the Saudi's. For the Russians, it's about holding onto their only naval port in the Mediteranean. Putin doesn't like the muzzies, particularly after what they did in Beslan.
Looking for the silver lining, I suppose I could say that at least the entire exercise is opening eyes towards all the career traitors in DC.
1) US Foreign policy in tatters, no comprehensive policy or no policy at all - total disarray.
2) President behaving like a Community Organizer and unqualified to decide or lead.
3) Soviet, oops, I mean Russian leader very clever, knows what he wants and knows how to get it by simultaneously thwarting and blocking US interests. Playing mind games with the young, stupid President.
4) Putin degrades America's ability to do anything by letting Obama run amok and then tethering him in.
5) World knows that Nobel Peace prize winning, cool superstar cannot order his armed forces to even hurt a flea.
Putin sat back, watched baby Obambi chase his tail, then he stepped in and said he lend a “helping” and. Obama spits the pacifier out of his mouth and agrees with a big yes motion nod...
Yes! Obama’s mouth got him in hot water with the Syria thing and was looking for a way out. The first try was passing it to Congress. That wasn’t working too well. So now he’s using Putin’s idea of making Assad give up some chemical weapons. It’s that simple.
“ITS ABOUT NATURAL GAS”
Or, more specifically, Natural Gas for the the French Company TOTAL, just like in Libya.
I still say the DGSE has the goods on Obama, the way he has been acting not in America’s interests, but for French Companies.
obumbles cadre is not only marxist enemy to America ... it is mostly of color.No one wants to say it, but the subliminal remark is; stupid ******s. They're all porch monkeys.
The way the administration is handling EVERY area of government is a tragedy to freedom and an embarrassing display of peter principle.
The Russians gain a lot of prestige as international peacemakers and diplomats. Putin will be the guy who could bring mortal enemies on the brink of war to a “can’t we all get along?” deal.
The debt from Iran and Syria for saving Assad from an attack will be registered and eventually called in.
Assad loses nothing. How much space does it take to store WMD chemicals? I don’t know, but I suspect not enough that he couldn’t hide most it assuming he does have some.
The price of helping Obama save face by backing down and that is certainly debatable - I don’t see it that way at all, is a very small price to pay.
Plus after this fiasco, if Obama does back down, it would be almost impossible to launch a future attack on Syria. That’s Zero’s #1 dilemma now. He’s painted himself into a corner. So that’s another plus for Russia.
Your post should be the Post of the Day.
It all makes perfect and simple sense now. In fact, it explains why Obama hasn’t given a crap about Christians dying because unlike dying babies from Chemical weapons, no one cares about a priest being beheaded.
You are correct, IMO.
I agree with you. Putin knows Obama is a coward, but a dangerous one.
I’m even wondering if this whole chemical weapons thing was concocted by us. Covertly the rebels release the weapons. It would make sense. Obama is given the perfect reason to go into Syria ie Assad gases innocent civilians.
Obama expects to get world support for going in, anI’m sure for a moment there Putin was wondering too what would happen if Syria were now against, the Brits, Germans, France, the US etc, but the Brits back off.
Putin starts to chuckle. He moves his ships in place, and probably tells Obama that he will support Syria, he must. Obama gets cold feet, and to Kerry’s surprise he wakes up the next morning and says he taking this to the Congress.
But they back off along with the American people. Putin now is even more emboldened, and clearly has the upper hand going into St Petersburg.
But Obama sill thinks he can pull something off that may turn the balance of power there. Take out Assad’s airstrips for example. That would be simple and easy to do, and have a large impact. “An unbelieveably small bombing.”
THen Kerry on the world stage blunders.
But Putin pulls a fast one and calls him out. “Hey we’ll take the weapons away from Assad and have them secured.”
This is getting funny as hell.
I agree the gassing was probably a long-planned setup, with the sanction of the Obama administration, to get the US involved.
In fact, with the latest report that the gassed children may have been kidnapped by the rebels just a week before, it looks like a mass kidnapping and subsequent murder of children may possibly have been part of the plot.
I also think this Russian bailout may have only been hatched this week by the Russians in response to Obama’s predicament.
Where I’m not so certain that you are correct is the idea that Putin intends to expose Barry by making it publicly backfire on him down the line.
Putin may have simply got tighter control on Syria, securing Assad’s continuance in power despite the interests of the Saudis, Qataris, and MB, to win control of Syria and thus weaken Iran. As well, Putin has secured a larger global leadership role for himself in place of the rapidly declining US power.
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/16/2013 19:12 -0400
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Previously, when looking at the real underlying national interests responsible for the deteriorating situation in Syria, which eventually may and/or will devolve into all out war with hundreds of thousands killed, we made it very clear that it was always and only about the gas, or gas pipelines to be exact, and specifically those involving the tiny but uber-wealthy state of Qatar.
Needless to say, the official spin on events has no mention of this ulterior motive, and the popular, propaganda machine, especially from those powers supporting the Syrian "rebels" which include Israel, the US and the Arabian states tries to generate public and democratic support by portraying Assad as a brutal, chemical weapons-using dictator, in line with the tried and true script used once already in Iraq.
On the other hand, there is Russia (and to a lesser extent China: for China's strategic interests in mid-east pipelines, read here), which has been portrayed as the main supporter of the "evil" Assad regime, and thus eager to preserve the status quo without a military intervention. Such attempts may be for naught especially with the earlier noted arrival of US marines in Israel, and the imminent arrival of the Russian Pacific fleet in Cyprus (which is a stone throw away from Syria) which may catalyze a military outcome sooner than we had expected.
However, one question that has so far remained unanswered, and a very sensitive one now that the US is on the verge of voting to arm the Syrian rebels, is who was arming said group of Al-Qaeda supported militants up until now. Now, finally, courtesy of the FT we have the (less than surprising) answer, which goes back to our original thesis, and proves that, as so often happens in the middle east, it is once again all about the natural resources.
From the FT:
The tiny gas-rich state of Qatar has spent as much as $3bn over the past two years supporting the rebellion in Syria, far exceeding any other government, but is now being nudged aside by Saudi Arabia as the prime source of arms to rebels.
The cost of Qatars intervention, its latest push to back an Arab revolt, amounts to a fraction of its international investment portfolio. But its financial support for the revolution that has turned into a vicious civil war dramatically overshadows western backing for the opposition.
In dozens of interviews with the FT conducted in recent weeks, rebel leaders both abroad and within Syria as well as regional and western officials detailed Qatars role in the Syrian conflict, a source of mounting controversy.
Just as Egypt and Libya had their CIA Western-funded mercenaries fighting the regime, so Qatar is paying for its own mercenary force.
The small state with a gargantuan appetite is the biggest donor to the political opposition, providing generous refugee packages to defectors (one estimate puts it at $50,000 a year for a defector and his family) and has provided vast amounts of humanitarian support.
In September, many rebels in Syrias Aleppo province received a one off monthly salary of $150 courtesy of Qatar. Sources close to the Qatari government say total spending has reached as much as $3bn, while rebel and diplomatic sources put the figure at $1bn at most.
For Qatar, owner of the worlds third-largest gas reserves, its intervention in Syria is part of an aggressive quest for global recognition and is merely the latest chapter in its attempt to establish itself as a major player in the region, following its backing of Libyas rebels who overthrew Muammer Gaddafi in 2011.
That, sadly, is not even close to half the story. Recall from Qatar: Oil Rich and Dangerous, posted nearly a year ago, which predicted all of this:
Why would Qatar want to become involved in Syria where they have little invested? A map reveals that the kingdom is a geographic prisoner in a small enclave on the Persian Gulf coast.
It relies upon the export of LNG, because it is restricted by Saudi Arabia from building pipelines to distant markets. In 2009, the proposal of a pipeline to Europe through Saudi Arabia and Turkey to the Nabucco pipeline was considered, but Saudi Arabia that is angered by its smaller and much louder brother has blocked any overland expansion.
Already the largest LNG producer, Qatar will not increase the production of LNG. The market is becoming glutted with eight new facilities in Australia coming online between 2014 and 2020.
A saturated North American gas market and a far more competitive Asian market leaves only Europe. The discovery in 2009 of a new gas field near Israel, Lebanon, Cyprus, and Syria opened new possibilities to bypass the Saudi Barrier and to secure a new source of income. Pipelines are in place already in Turkey to receive the gas. Only Al-Assad is in the way.
Qatar along with the Turks would like to remove Al-Assad and install the Syrian chapter of the Moslem Brotherhood. It is the best organized political movement in the chaotic society and can block Saudi Arabias efforts to install a more fanatical Wahhabi based regime. Once the Brotherhood is in power, the Emirs broad connections with Brotherhood groups throughout the region should make it easy for him to find a friendly ear and an open hand in Damascus.
A control centre has been established in the Turkish city of Adana near the Syrian border to direct the rebels against Al-Assad. Saudi Deputy Foreign Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Abdullah al-Saud asked to have the Turks establish a joint Turkish, Saudi, Qatari operations center. The Turks liked the idea of having the base in Adana so that they could supervise its operations a source in the Gulf told Reuters.
The fighting is likely to continue for many more months, but Qatar is in for the long term. At the end, there will be contracts for the massive reconstruction and there will be the development of the gas fields. In any case, Al-Assad must go. There is nothing personal; it is strictly business to preserve the future tranquility and well-being of Qatar.
Some more on the strategic importance of this key feeder component to the Nabucco pipeline, and why Syria is so problematic to so many powers. From 2009:
Qatar has proposed a gas pipeline from the Gulf to Turkey in a sign the emirate is considering a further expansion of exports from the world's biggest gasfield after it finishes an ambitious programme to more than double its capacity to produce liquefied natural gas (LNG).
"We are eager to have a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey," Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, the ruler of Qatar, said last week, following talks with the Turkish president Abdullah Gul and the prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the western Turkish resort town of Bodrum. "We discussed this matter in the framework of co-operation in the field of energy. In this regard, a working group will be set up that will come up with concrete results in the shortest possible time," he said, according to Turkey's Anatolia news agency.
Other reports in the Turkish press said the two states were exploring the possibility of Qatar supplying gas to the strategic Nabucco pipeline project, which would transport Central Asian and Middle Eastern gas to Europe, bypassing Russia. A Qatar-to-Turkey pipeline might hook up with Nabucco at its proposed starting point in eastern Turkey. Last month, Mr Erdogan and the prime ministers of four European countries signed a transit agreement for Nabucco, clearing the way for a final investment decision next year on the EU-backed project to reduce European dependence on Russian gas.
"For this aim, I think a gas pipeline between Turkey and Qatar would solve the issue once and for all," Mr Erdogan added, according to reports in several newspapers. The reports said two different routes for such a pipeline were possible. One would lead from Qatar through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq to Turkey. The other would go through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey. It was not clear whether the second option would be connected to the Pan-Arab pipeline, carrying Egyptian gas through Jordan to Syria. That pipeline, which is due to be extended to Turkey, has also been proposed as a source of gas for Nabucco.
Based on production from the massive North Field in the Gulf, Qatar has established a commanding position as the world's leading LNG exporter. It is consolidating that through a construction programme aimed at increasing its annual LNG production capacity to 77 million tonnes by the end of next year, from 31 million tonnes last year. However, in 2005, the emirate placed a moratorium on plans for further development of the North Field in order to conduct a reservoir study. It recently extended the ban for two years to 2013.
Specifically, the issue at hand is the green part of the proposed pipeline: as explained above, it simply can't happen as long as Russia is alligned with Assad.
So there you have it: Qatar doing everything it can to promote bloodshed, death and destruction by using not Syrian rebels, but mercenaries: professional citizens who are paid handsomely to fight and kill members of the elected regime (unpopular as it may be), for what? So that the unimaginably rich emirs of Qatar can get even richer. Although it is not as if Russia is blameless: all it wants is to preserve its own strategic leverage over Europe by being the biggest external provider of natgas to the continent through its own pipelines. Should Nabucco come into existence, Gazpromia would be very, very angry and make far less money!
As for the Syrian "rebels", who else is helping them? Why the US and Israel of course. And with the Muslim Brotherhood "takeover" paradigm already tested out in Egypt, it is only a matter of time.
According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks arms transfers, Qatar has sent the most weapons deliveries to Syria, with more than 70 military cargo flights into neighbouring Turkey between April 2012 and March this year.
Perhaps it is Putin's turn to tell John Kerry he prefer if Qatar was not "supplying assistance to Syrian mercenaries"?
What is worse, and what is already known is that implicitly the US - that ever-vigilant crusader against Al Qaeda - is effectively also supporting the terrorist organization:
The relegation of Qatar to second place in providing weapons follows increasing concern in the West and among other Arab states that weapons it supplies could fall into the hands of an al-Qaeda-linked group, Jabhat al-Nusrah.
Yet Qatar may have bitten off more than it can chew, even with the explicit military Israeli support, and implicit from the US. Because the closer Qatar gets to establishing its own puppet state in Syria, the closer Saudi Arabia is to getting marginalized:
But though its approach is driven more by pragmatism and opportunism, than ideology, Qatar has become entangled in the polarised politics of the region, setting off a wave of scathing criticism. You cant buy a revolution, says an opposition businessman.
Qatars support for Islamist groups in the Arab world, which puts it at odds with its peers in the Gulf states, has fuelled rivalry with Saudi Arabia. Qatars ruling emir, Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, wants to be the Arab worlds Islamist (Gamal) Abdelnasser, said an Arab politician, referring to Egypts fiery late president and devoted pan-Arab leader.
Qatars intervention is coming under mounting scrutiny. Regional rivals contend it is using its financial firepower simply to buy future influence and that it has ended up splintering Syrias opposition. Against this backdrop Saudi Arabia, which until now has been a more deliberate backer of Syrias rebels, has stepped up its involvement.
Recent tensions over the oppositions election of an interim prime minister who won the support of Syrias Muslim Brotherhood has also driven Saudi Arabia to tighten its relationship to the political opposition, a job it had largely left in the hands of Qatar.
What Saudi Arabia wants is not to leave the Syrian people alone, but to install its own puppet regime so it has full liberty to dictate LNG terms to Qatar, and subsequently to Europe.
Khalid al-Attiyah, Qatars state minister for foreign affairs, who handles its Syrian policy, dismissed talk of rivalry with the Saudis and denied allegations that Qatars support for the rebels has splintered Syrias opposition and weakened nascent institutions.
In an interview with the Financial Times, he said every move Qatar has made, has been in conjunction with the Friends of Syria group of Arab and western nations, not alone. Our problem in Qatar is that we dont have a hidden agenda so people start fixing you one, he says.
Sadly, when it comes to the US (and of course Israel), it does have a very hidden agenda: one that involves lying to its people about what any future intervention is all about, and the fabrication of narrative about chemical weapons and a bloody regime hell bent on massacring every man, woman and child from the "brave resistance." What they all fail to mention is that all such "rebels" are merely paid for mercenaries of the Qatari emir, whose sole interest is to accrue even more wealth even if it means the deaths of thousands of Syrians in the process.
A bigger read through of the events in Syria reveals an even more complicated web: one that has Qatar facing off against Syria, with both using Syria as a pawn in a great natural resource chess game, and with Israel and the US both on the side of the petrodollars, while Russia and to a lesser extent China, form the counterbalancing axis and refuse to permit a wholesale overthrow of the local government which would unlock even more geopolitical leverage for the gulf states.
Up until today, we would have thought that when push comes to shove, Russia would relent. However, with the arrival of a whole lot of submarines in Cyprus, the games just got very serious. After all the vital interests of Gazprom - perhaps the most important "company" in the world - are suddenly at stake.
Finally, one wonders just what President Obama and Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan were really talking about behind the scenes.
------------------------------------------------------- There you have it FReepers...have at this ...
Indeed. With a boost to Iran, Syria, and Russian influence in the Middle East along the way. The Saudis and Qataris are disappointed, but what can they do?
“I’ll have more flexibility after the election.”
Wars and rumors of war, Peace declared, Seven Months later WAR.
To some extent you might be right, but I think it’s much simpler than that. IF Assad falls, the Middle East Gas Oil etc goes to Europe and Russia over night is weakened. Why else would Syria matter?
It explains too why the Saudi’s seem to control us.
Yes, I believe you have the real story behind this.
The US under Obama has become but somebody else’s piece in play on the chessboard. Maybe still worth more than a pawn, perhaps a knight, in a game being played by two other sides.
Speaking of funny...have you seen this? haha
When I posted this I truly did not know. Then posting #13 made it clear to me. It’s nothing more than who controls the world’s energy and in particular gas routes to Europe via Syria.
Assad stands in the middle of this, and he has Putin and the Chinese to back him. We have no business being there, but the Saudi’s have leverage over us, and they’re making Obama dance.
Syria should be the safest place in the world once Assad beats back the rebels, and now I’m all for him doing so. It’s the best possible out come for Christians, Jews even moderate Muslims if there is such a thing.
Obama is a clueless spectator. He’s not that smart. But I think now that he is the perfect puppet for the Saudis and everyone else over there. Romney would have upset the apple cart for them.
No, Obama is the perfect puppet. It’s all becoming very clear. I’m wondering if Rush or anyone will expose this. I’m wondering if anyone will read the excellent commentary here this morning.
I know! It was never about chemical weapons and now the liars here cannot admit that it was not really about that. So so funny. The media in the dark are all happy that the weapons can be turned in.
Sadly Putin is really just saving his bank account and his energy empire here but it is funny.
“Putin and Assad want to stop the Qatar pipeline from crossing Syria.”
Yes, a reasonable person (or government) would think there is an underlying reason for all the concern in Syria, with the natural gas pipeline being a prime candidate. However, I said ‘reasonable’ and that has to also include some dependable means to control the use/access and revenue generation from said pipeline.
Yeah, depend on a coalition of multiple Muslim rebels that includes a large contingent of Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda-backed rebels. If you think about it, it makes about as much sense as what one might think a reason for toppling Libya (to control its oil output) where reports are that oil production has all but stopped due to rebel control.
I just don’t buy it - natural gas - For Putin, it’s about natural gas, but it isn’t for Obama. This administration is doing about all it can do to reshape the image of our economy, and doing damage control on the dozen or so Obama government agency scandals. The ‘credentials’ of his administration’s prime players are PATHETIC. These people aren’t logical plotters, they are ideological plotters - and that means their reasons for acting aren’t what a reasonable person might assume.
I think you are absolutely right. Obama never mentioned diplomatic efforts at all. From day one it was about punishing Assad for USING the chemical weapons against the children. He was all over the map on this.
Israel and Egypt are already doing this along the Sinai-Gaza border. Just as Obama has tossed Egypt into the trash heap, so has he left Israel alone, to deal with Iran, and very soon. There is intense cooperation between Israel and Egypt and the poor little diddums HAMAS in Gaza are eating gravel.
Jordan, Saudi Arabia and a host of other Arab states are on board with Egypt and even Israel right now because they all know, America is simply not there. America has proven to be totally unreliable at this critical juncture in history.
Obama has voted present for his golf and vacations but absent as the leader of the USA and our allies, especially the Brits shied away from supporting him. Only the Frogs seemed to want a good fight which is strange, considering the French prefer surrendering to fighting...that's how bad it is right now.
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