ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

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[Yosemitest]

ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

Published on Dec 4, 2013

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Ison is a V shaped debris field with objects that are miles wide each..at least 21 large ones..
They are moving at 2 million miles per day.
Ison is moving away from "Secchi A" at that speed which makes it appear smaller from that camera each hour..
THE ROCKS ARE DARK NOW.
They will become darker as they move further from the sun over Earth..
They will not become smaller.

[messierhunter]

You don’t see how ISON never passed through Lovejoy’s tail in that animation?

[Yosemitest]

I can;t find a good enough model to convince me of it.
Between the two models, Ison's debris is outbound and climbing above Venus toward Earth,
while the other model shows LoveJoy below Earth and Mars climbing inward towards the Sun and above.
I can;t tell how close that they come between the two separate models, but they're within the same area between Earth and Venus and above our orbital plane.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's plausible, based on the length of LoveJoy's tail.

[NoCmpromiz]

You don’t see how ISON never passed through Lovejoy’s tail in that animation?

Some people even have trouble visualizing in two dimensions... and anything non-Euclidian is a couple AU over their heads...

[MD Expat in PA]

With apologies to Monty Python.

ISON is not pining for the Oort cloud! ISON has passed on! This comet is no more! He has ceased to be! ISON is expired and gone to meet his maker! He’s a whiff of dust, a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed him to the perch (or kept posting stupid YouTube videos) he’d be pushing up the daisies! His comet processes are now history! He’s off the twig! He’s kicked the bucket. He’s shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleeding choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-COMET!!

[Yosemitest]

Not so fast, there's a lot of Debris out there.

by BPEarthWatch, 9 hours ago (estimated 9 or 10 pm CST )

Large Solar Flares.
Earth Will start passing thru this trail on Jan 12th thru the 19th.

[Yosemitest]

Below is a photo of a 7 gram object (shown in centre) shot at 7 km/s (the orbital velocity of the station) made this 15 cm crater in a solid block of aluminium.

Radar-trackable objects including debris, note distinct ring of GEO satellites.

[Yosemitest]

You pulled another thread ( http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3101698/posts?page=1 ) because you don’t believe the footage from a government satellite?

[MD Expat in PA]

First of all solar flares having nothing whatsoever to do with ISON and they happen all the time. The Sun is very, very large and in comparison, ISON was a mere speck. To say that ISON caused any solar flares would be analogous to saying, “I took a piss in the ocean one day off the Santa Monica Pier and the very next day there was an earth quake and tsunami in Japan.”

ISON was already breaking up and disintegrating well before it reached perihelion and it was estimated to only be about a half mile in diameter at most, a rather small comet. To say as your “YouTube” source claims that there are mile wide chunks about to hit the Earth is ridiculous. You simply don’t and can’t get mile wide or bigger chunks from a comet that was less than a half mile wide in diameter to begin with.

And look at this, the Earth is simply not going to intersect with any outbound ISON comet debris:

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2013/12/10/comet-ison-update-dec-10-meteor-shower-in-the-offing/

“I’ve been asked whether Earth will get dusted by ISON’s dusty cloud of debris as it passes our planet on the outbound leg of its journey. The answer is almost certainly “no”. There are several reasons why. First, the debris passes far above the Earth’s orbit even at its closest approach on Dec. 26, when what’s left of the comet will be nearly directly above our planet and 40 million miles away. That’s farther than Venus and even farther than Mars during its closest approaches. I’ve read catastrophic talk ISON raining hell fire on Earth. Not gonna happen. Not even meteor fire – at least from the breakup.

Second, while the debris cloud will certainly expand and enlarge, the comet leftovers will continue to travel along the same general path as ISON. They won’t suddenly veer off and make a beeline for Earth. They carry much of the original momentum and direction as the comet that created them.

And

Meteor researcher Paul Wiegert of the University of Western Ontario has been using a computer to model the trajectory of dust ejected by Comet ISON and predicts that starting about January 12 and continuing for several evenings, we stand a chance of a meteor shower from material released well before perihelion.

The dust particles will strike Earth’s atmosphere at around 125,000 mph (56 km/sec), but because they’ll be so tiny, it’s unlikely we’ll actually see anything.

To say that these dust particles from ISON pose any danger to Earth or will even be observable is ridiculous. We might at the very best observe a few brief streaks of light in the sky as some of the larger particles (yet very tiny specs) when they hit the high atmosphere and quickly burn up but they are not likely to be anything compared to other meteor showers like the Geminids or any of the other yearly meteor showers. FYI, the fire ball seen over Arizona had nothing whatsoever to do with ISON but was most likely part of the Geminid meteor shower which are known for occasionally producing harmless but yet very bright “fire balls”.

The International Space Station and other Earth orbiting objects like satellites are more in danger from space debris of the man made kind than they are from specks of specks of dust left over from ISON.

And your source for these YouTube videos you keep posting here, Jessie Waltman; he is a complete nut job with no understanding or background in astronomy and as someone on another one of your ISON threads correctly called it: “Disaster Porn”

There seems to me to be a subset of “End Times” and prophesy and conspiracy theorists nuts who keep claiming that the “End Of The World Is Nigh.” They keep predicting mass destruction and horrific mass deaths either from comets or asteroids, rogue planets that do not exist, or earth quakes or volcanoes, or a combination of every natural disaster possible or just God’s plain wrath, and when it doesn’t happen as predicted, they just move on to the next one. And this is not just limited to the religious conspiracy nuts; the Gia worshiping environmental AGW (anthropogenic global warming) nuts seem to also revel in the idea of eventual demise of mankind.

Remember when Harold Camping famously or more precisely “infamously” predicted that the end of the world and the rapture would occur on May 21, 2011 but when that didn’t happen he just moved the date to October 21, 2011 and when that didn’t happen he pretty much retired and disappeared from public view? Unfortunately a few of his true believers sold everything they owned in order to buy billboards and quit their jobs in order to stand on street corners proclaiming the end of the world. Well “Stupid is as stupid does” and I have a hard time feeling sorry for such gullible and uneducated fools.

“Disaster Porn” is a very good name for this sort of thing. There are some people who actually seem to wish for and actually look forward and get their jollies off from imaging mass horrific and painful deaths of millions of people and the mass destruction of the Earth during their life time because they think they will somehow be immune or “saved” from it and will somehow feel fulfilled and justified in seeing the horrific deaths of others who don’t believe exactly as they do. And when it doesn’t happen, rather than being relieved, they seem rather disappointed and then they just move on to the next weird and scientifically unsound “disaster porn” theory.

“You pulled another thread…. because you don’t believe the footage from a government satellite?

No. That thread was pulled because it was “Idiocy” and rightly so.

[Yosemitest]

There is so much wrong with your assumptions that I don;t know where to begin.

" ... you don’t believe the footage from a government satellite?"

This nails it.
The footage is real, and it's there, and right up front, too.
Do you think that 2013/12/12 06:36 photo in that video is not real?
And where do come up with the

"... and it was estimated to only be about a half mile in diameter at most, a rather small comet. "

That was proven false on Nov 22, 2013 and linked to in comment #12.
But the admin moderator (probably you) refused to allow verifiable proof on Free Republic that the disintegrated pieces from Ison's inbound path are huge.

"First of all solar flares having nothing whatsoever to do with ISON and they happen all the time. "

You have no proof of that!
I'd say that BPEarthWatch's videos go a lot further proving that the do, than you opinionated statement.

"...the Earth is simply not going to intersect with any outbound ISON comet debris ..."

That's your opinion (and thanks for the nice graphic), but that remains yet to be proven, and we're not safe about that until AFTER the 1st of January 2014.
Again, the "shotgun blast" theory of Ison's debris, especially since we now know that disintegration was going on well before Ison crossed Mars inbound, would allow time for a very wide cone of debris on its outbound path, as well as the inbound path.

"... Jessie Waltman ..."

Who is Jessie Waltman?

"To say that these dust particles from ISON pose any danger to Earth or will even be observable is ridiculous. "

Another opinionated statement.
Who's talking about "dust particles" ?
I'm talking about large pieces of Ison's debris.

You need to wake up!

[MD Expat in PA]

There is so much wrong with your assumptions that I don;t know where to begin.

You might begin by reading some good books for beginners on basic astronomy and astrophysics and comets. Next try some books on introductory physics. That would be time much better spent than watching BPEarthwatch YouTube videos.

https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=sAOUMQd5Pr0C&source=productsearch&utm_source=HA_Desktop_US&utm_medium=SEM&utm_campaign=PLA&pcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1

https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=Jccx1g5ulfsC&source=productsearch&utm_source=HA_Desktop_US&utm_medium=SEM&utm_campaign=PLA&pcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1

http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Comets-Scientific-Astronomy-Astrophysics/dp/9810226322

“The footage is real” but the interpretation of it by Jessie Waltman of BPEarthwatch and the wild assumptions he makes are wildly incorrect and laughable to anyone with even a basic understanding of astronomy and comets.

But the admin moderator (probably you) refused to allow verifiable proof on Free Republic that the disintegrated pieces from Ison's inbound path are huge.

LOL! Me? An admin moderator? LOL! No. I am not one, have never been one, don’t want to be one. But if I was, if it was within my power to do so, I’d not only pull your threads, I’d also ZOT your account for sheer stupidity and for making the rest of us conservatives look stupid and uneducated if not even mentally ill.

And where do come up with the"... and it was estimated to only be about a half mile in diameter at most, a rather small comet. "

ISON, about half a mile wide, was tiny and probably smaller than originally estimated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2521928/RIP-Comet-ISON-Scientists-finally-declare-comet-century-dead.html

And again for you edification, the solar flares on the YouTube videos you keep posting has nothing to do with ISON. Can you even comprehend how large and powerful the Sun is compared to a half or even a 3 mile wide comet? As I stated in my previous post, it is analogous to taking a piss in the Pacific Ocean in California and then trying to link that to a tsunami in Japan on the other side of the world weeks or months later.

"...the Earth is simply not going to intersect with any outbound ISON comet debris ..." That's your opinion (and thanks for the nice graphic), but that remains yet to be proven, and we're not safe about that until AFTER the 1st of January 2014.

Again, the "shotgun blast" theory of Ison's debris, especially since we now know that disintegration was going on well before Ison crossed Mars inbound, would allow time for a very wide cone of debris on its outbound path, as well as the inbound path.

The graphic I posted is accurate, factual and scientific (did you even read the link?) but because it doesn’t fit into your “disaster porn” obsession, you are dismissing it. The Earth will intersect with the inbound path of ISON in January but what we will pass through is so minuscule (dust) it will probably go completely unnoticed compared to yearly meteor showers from the cosmic debris from much, much larger long lived comets. And keep in mind that even in during the most “spectacular” yearly meteor showers like the Geminids or Leonids, most of what we see as “shooting stars” are no bigger than grains of rice. And what we see as “fire balls” are not much larger, baseball or basket ball size and they burn up, albeit brightly high up in the earth’s atmosphere never coming anywhere near an Earth impact. And while we do have meteorites that occasionally hit the Earth, these meteorites are not from comet debris but from asteroids.

http://geology.com/articles/meteor-shower.shtml

http://www.armaghplanet.com/html/meteorites.html

We are simply not going to intersect with the outbound path of ISON as the graphic clearly shows and even if we did, what is left from ISON (RIP) is so small, smaller than grains of sand, that we would not likely to even see or notice them.

There is simply no, as you put it “shotgun blast” theory or large chunks of ISON or any comet debris from ISON that pose any danger for Earth except for in the twisted minds of “disaster porn” obsessionists like you and Jessie Waltman.

BPEarthwatch / Jessie Waltman has been completely wrong in all his previous ISON predictions; didn’t he predict at one point that ISON would crash into the Earth on its way to the Sun?

I think that you and Jessie Waltman must be quite disappointed that there wasn’t some sort of apocalyptic catastrophic event associated with ISON because it didn’t fit into your “End Times” beliefs and you didn’t get to witness the mass horrific deaths of your fellow human beings and the mass destruction of the planet we call home, but yet you and Jessie seem to keep hoping for it to happen. But cheer up, it will happen eventually when our Sun goes Nova but you and I and our ancestors will be far long gone before that happens. We might one day get hit by another large extinction level asteroid, but keep in mind that this has happened before in Earth’s history and life went on.

[Yosemitest]

Physics of Comets (World Scientific Series in Astronomy and Astrophysics) might be worth my time,
but it's out of date from what we've learned in just the last few years about comets.
For instance, you stated

"... most of what we see as “shooting stars” are no bigger than grains of rice.
And what we see as “fire balls” are not much larger, baseball or basket ball size
and they burn up, albeit brightly high up in the earth’s atmosphere never coming anywhere near an Earth impact.
And while we do have meteorites that occasionally hit the Earth, these meteorites are not from comet debris but from asteroids."

3200 Phaethon proves you WRONG.

" But this was a big one, Cooke confirmed.
It weighed about 100 pounds and was about 16 inches thick.
It made quite a bright flash, as it burned up in the atmosphere. "

I disagree with you about Solar Flairs and the Comets and their electrical influence.
There are plenty of others who are experts in the field who disagree with you also.
It's like some demented college professor who refused to accept the updated information that blew his ancient theories away with observed and documented facts.
He just keeps smoking dope, drinking alcohol, and using drugs and gets more bitter in his old age, as he slowly fades into obscurity.

"ISON, about half a mile wide, was tiny and probably smaller than originally estimated."

Your own referenced source agrees with the footage that proves this statement WRONG.
But your reply to that was only to smear the source and avoid the facts he presented.

ISON IS HUGE./NEW NUMBERS (5:24 )

The blue video is from STEREO A (Solar TErrestrial RElations Observatory) and ... (wait for it) ... is the same footage BPEarthWatch uses,
PROVING that Comet Ison was MUCH LARGER than Comet Eneke.

Comet Eneke's nucleus diameter is fixed at about 2.98 mile ( 4.8 km ).
But in this footage Comet Eneke is much closer, 24 MILLION MILES CLOSER to that camera, to STEREO A Satellite ~ than Comet Ison.
Yet Comet Eneke is much smaller.
Remember, Comet Ison's nucleus and Comet Eneke's nucleus had just had their giant comas torn away from them by a Solar flare.
They estimated Comet Ison's nucleus at 2.1748 miles ( 3.5 km ).
But Ison's nucleus had to be at least 12.4274 miles in diameter ( 20 km ) in diameter on Nov 22, 2013.
LoveJoy was estimated at 1/2 mile or ( 500 meters ), which is the only other Sun-diving Comet (Dec 2011 ) we can compare it to.
STEREO H12A Imaged from November the 10th through the 14th.

At that time with STEREO A Satellite on the opposite side of the Sun from Earth,
Comet Ison was 79,663,126.8 miles from, Earth,
while Comet Eneke was 103,552,769 miles from earth.
That's a difference of 23,889,642.2 miles.
But you have to consider the angles that the Comets were from the Camera,
so we'll round the difference off to 24 million miles
that Comet Eneke was closer to the camera than Comet Ison's cleaned nucleus.

So NEVER FORGET that, in that blue video, COMET ENEKE IS 24 MILLION MILES CLOSER TO THAT CAMERA THAN COMET ISON !!!

[Darksheare]

You do realize that the camera there operates on emitted/reflected light, not size of the object?
And comets have a nasty habit of outgassing, which reflects light.
And not at all in correlation to size of the comet?

[MD Expat in PA]

Another factor might be ISON's size. Determining the width of its nucleus is difficult, but the best estimates come from observations made by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) when ISON made its closest pass by Mars in October. Based on these observations, researchers think ISON's nucleus was probably smaller than 600 meters in diameter, making it relatively compact, "so its breakup and evaporation is not surprising," said Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona in Tucson, principal investigator for the HiRISE (High-Resolution Imaging Science Experiment) camera on the MRO.

Death of a Comet: What We Learned from the Passing of ISON

FYI - 600 meters in diameter would be 0.3728 miles. Initial estimates had it at 2-3 km and 3 km is 1.864 miles not 3 miles. The diameter of the nucleus of Encke's Comet on the other hand is 4.8 km/2.983 miles.

Re: the STEREO-A image you posted:

What we're looking at here is a cropped section of a 20-degree field of view, taken from a spacecraft that is far from Earth. We can see not only comet ISON entering the field of view but also Comet 2P/Encke, Mercury and that little place we like to call home! The dark "clouds" of stuff you see coming from the right are density enhancements in the solar wind, and these are what are causing all the ripples you see in comet Encke's tail. I can pretty much promise you that we're going to see ISON's tail doing that in a couple of day's time, but on a much larger scale! (ISON is closer to STEREO-A than Encke is -- this has little to do with relative sizes of the comets). Indeed, these kinds of solar wind interactions are exactly what I wrote about a couple of weeks ago, and they give us valuable information about solar wind conditions near the Sun. And this leads me very nicely to the last -- and, to me, most exciting -- thing I'll say for now (brevity, remember...). Notice the motion of the two comets. Notice the direction Encke is moving in, and then the direction ISON is coming in at. Then note that ISON is moving quite a bit quicker than Encke (both true in reality and because ISON is closer to the camera). See where I'm going? Or where the comets are going?? No they're not going to hit each other -- in reality they are millions of miles apart -- but as seen from the STEREO-A spacecraft, they are going to get very close! How close, I don't know. Tomorrow I hope to give you that answer but it involves math and software, and it has been a long day. But regardless, we are probably a couple of days away from seeing two comets almost side-by-side in that camera, with long tails flowing behind them in the solar wind. To say that such an image will be unprecedented is rather an understatement.

ISON, Encke, Mercury, and Home

You might also find this interesting (or not)

Measuring the Size of ISON's Nucleus: Point Spread Function

As far as meteor showers, most of what you see as shooting stars are very tiny. Meteor showers are debris left from comet tails or disintegrated asteroids.

“Most meteors are smaller than a grain of sand, so almost all of them disintegrate and never hit the Earth’s surface”.

http://www.amsmeteors.org/meteor-showers/

“These particles comprise the meteor stream. Most are no larger than a grain of sand, while some may be the size of a fingernail, and a few might be the size of your closed fist.” http://www.theskyscrapers.org/meteor-showers/

“"Shooting stars", falling stars" or meteors, call them what you like. These pinpoints of light that streak across the night sky are tiny bits of rock from space. They enter our atmosphere at speeds up to 71 km/s (~158,000 miles mph). They glow because friction with air molecules heats them to incandescence. Most are smaller than a grain of rice. They burn up in a second or two at altitudes of around 80 km, high in the ionosphere. An especially bright meteor is called a fireball or bolide.”

And

“There are two kinds of meteors – sporadic meteors and shower meteors. Sporadics originate from random bits of solar system dust that orbit the Sun. Their chance encounters with Earth are unpredictable. While they do slightly cluster in various parts of the sky, their occurrence is sporadic – hence the name. Sporadics are the ones most people see while gazing into the night sky. Naked-eye rates for sporadic meteors seldom exceed five per hour. As far as we know, all meteors that reach the ground - meteorites - come from sporadics."

And

“Only rarely is a meteor large enough to survive its fiery passage through the atmosphere and reach the ground. These are called meteorites. No shower meteor is known to have ever reached the ground, which means that comet dust is in the form of very small particles.”

http://geology.com/articles/meteor-shower.shtml

And the spectacular fireball meteor seen over Arizona was a sporadic meteor and not related to the annual Geminid meteor shower.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/1212/Arizona-meteor-totally-unrelated-to-tonight-s-eye-popping-Geminids

“The meteor was small and quick. With a width of about half a meter, its size pales in comparison to the 20-meter meteor that landed in Russia earlier this year. But meteorite hunters are still scrambling to southern Arizona, trying to find surviving pieces of Tuesday’s fireball.”

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/13/meteoroid-explodes-over-arizona-more-to-come-this-weekend/

Did Comet Cause Solar Explosion? Hardly, Experts Say

“On a final note, I want to tie all this in to Comet ISON, which is why we have the website in the first place. We know that ISON is not a massive comet; we think it's in the range of ~0.5km - 2km. It's also certainly not on a sun-striking orbit, though will fly through the outer solar atmosphere. But keep the following in mind: coronal mass ejections (which are different to flares, btw!) happen a few times per day, every day during periods of high solar activity. The chances are thus pretty high that we'll see at least one CME in the hours surrounding ISON's perihelion passage in November of this year. This does not mean that it will have caused a CME! I'm sure I will need to quote this come November, so remember that you read it here first!” Sun-grazers, Sun-strikers and CMEs

In other words, just about everything you post here and from your pal at BPEarthwatch are false and laughable. If as you say are interested in learning about comets and astronomy, lay off the amateur crank YouTube videos and educate yourself. And stop trying to make conservatives look stupid, uneducated or even possibly mentally ill by posting this crap here – Thanks!

[MD Expat in PA]

You do realize that the camera there operates on emitted/reflected light, not size of the object? And comets have a nasty habit of outgassing, which reflects light. And not at all in correlation to size of the comet?

Actually contrary to what was posted regarding the STEREO-A image, ISON was actually closer to the camera than Eneke and by a very large factor. (See my previous post and links.)

Comet Eneke while larger than ISON, is a periodic comet that completes an orbit of the Sun once every three years — the shortest period of any known comet. Unlike ISON which was making its first trip into the inner solar system and is (was) a close sun grazer, and rather unsuccessfully since it broke up and disintegrated, Eneke is not a close sun grazer but its regular orbit through our solar system and around the sun has what astronomers call “hardened” it, i.e. its regular orbit of once every three years has created a tough outer shell and hence a rather small coma. Eneke also has a very low albedo, reflecting only 4.6% of the light it receives.

ISON on the other hand, while its nucleolus was smaller than Eneke, being “a comsic virgin”, it had a larger coma on its inbound path because it had a lot more icy material to outgass.

[Yosemitest]

" ISON was actually closer to the camera than Eneke and by a very large factor"

WRONG !
Here's some more proof

Comet Encke Orbit - Path calculated by Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Look at this one, too at about 45 seconds into the video.

Comet ISON: New NASA Trajectory - JPL Orbital Diagram

Look at about 15 or 16 seconds into Comet Encke's orbit video.
If you're fast you can stop it on 2013/11/20.

Look at this on, too.

Comet ISON's Orbital Path Around the Sun | NASA Space Science HD Video - YouTube

You can get a better view of both on BREarthWatch's video that shows three different diagrams that clearly depicts all the items concerned, from 2:00 minutes in his video diagrams up to 2 minutes 45 seconds and even beyond.

ISON IS HUGE./NEW NUMBERS (5:24 )

The FACTS ARE, that even on November 22, 2013, and on November 21, and on November 20th,

ISON was outside of Mercury's orbit, between Mercury and Venus;
But on the 19th of November Encke comes very close to Mercury and PASSED IT TO GO SLIGHTLY INSIDE OF MERCURY'S ORBIT, between Mercury and the Sun (16 seconds into this video).

So the FACTS blow your theory into the "FALSE" category. Look at this one, too at about 45 seconds into the video.

[Yosemitest]

I disagree.
Every time you post, I doubt your knowledge more.
And the deeper I dig into this subject, the more I find about BPEarthWatch's logic, that the facts bear out to be true.

However, I do thank you for your input.

[Yosemitest]

Like I said before:

"Remember, Comet Ison's nucleus and Comet Eneke's nucleus had just had their giant comas torn away from them by a Solar flare."

I know they operate on reflected light.
But there's more there, relative to size, than you're willing to admit.

[Yosemitest]

CORRECTION TO ERROR:

" ISON was actually closer to the camera than Eneke and by a very large factor"
WRONG !
Here's some more proof:


Comet Encke Orbit - Path calculated by Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Look at this one, too at about 45 seconds into the video.


Comet ISON: New NASA Trajectory - JPL Orbital Diagram

Look at about 15 or 16 seconds into Comet Encke's orbit video.
If you're fast you can stop it on 2013/11/20.

Look at this on, too.


Comet ISON's Orbital Path Around the Sun | NASA Space Science HD Video - YouTube

You can get a better view of both on BREarthWatch's video that shows three different diagrams that clearly depicts all the items concerned, from 2:00 minutes in his video diagrams up to 2 minutes 45 seconds and even beyond.


ISON IS HUGE./NEW NUMBERS (5:24 )

The FACTS ARE, that even on November 22, 2013, and on November 21, and on November 20th,
ISON was outside of Mercury's orbit, between Mercury and Venus;
But on the 19th of November Encke comes very close to Mercury and PASSED IT TO GO SLIGHTLY INSIDE OF MERCURY'S ORBIT, between Mercury and the Sun (16 seconds into this video).
So the FACTS blow your theory into the "FALSE" category.
Look at this one, too at about 45 seconds into the video.

[Darksheare]

So now I’m part of a conspiracy?

[NoCmpromiz]

You pulled another thread ... because you don’t believe the footage from a government satellite?

No.. If I read correctly, AM noted that your thread content was "Idiocy"...

If you based your pulled thread content on material from BPEarthwatch, the AM is correct in his opinion.

By your own admission, you are choosing to believe moonbattery from a person who is a devotee of the Nibiru cult. ("And the deeper I dig into this subject, the more I find about BPEarthWatch's logic, that the facts bear out to be true.") If your source is so deranged as to believe that, tell me why you, a supposedly same individual, would find any other of his pronouncements to be possessing any useful value?

Unless you also are a stealth devotee of the Nibiru cult (despite your previous comment) and therefore are to be classed in the same category.. (That would be 'Moonbat'..)

You are aware, I trust, that the idea of the Nibiru encounter originated with Nancy Lieder, a Wisconsin woman who claims that as a girl she was contacted by gray extraterrestrials called Zetas, who implanted a communications device in her brain. In 1995, she founded the website ZetaTalk to disseminate her ideas. Lieder first came to public attention on Internet newsgroups during the build-up to Comet Hale–Bopp's 1997 perihelion. She stated, claiming to speak as the Zetas, that "The Hale-Bopp comet does not exist. It is a fraud, perpetrated by those who would have the teeming masses quiescent until it is too late. Hale-Bopp is nothing more than a distant star, and will draw no closer." She claimed that the Hale-Bopp story was manufactured to distract people from the imminent arrival of a large planetary object, "Planet X", which would soon pass by Earth and destroy civilization. After Hale-Bopp's perihelion revealed it as one of the brightest and longest-observed comets of the last century, Lieder removed the first two sentences of her initial statement from her site, though they can still be found in Google's archives. Her claims eventually made the New York Times. (source of this last paragraph and other really enlightening reading on Nibiru, Herculobus - another thing BPEarthwatch espouses - can be found HERE)

You recommend (on your profile page) to read our own Bible... Might I suggest that you do likewise. I further suggest that you read Galatians 5:9 (“A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.”) (BTW - if you only understand the Bible if it is in Elizabethan English, that would be "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.") It would seem that the leven that your source is using in the bread he is feeding you is at the least defective.

Just for you, I offer this photographic evidence for the existance of Nibiru...

Your mileage may vary.