He is a retired Navy Captain, (Submariner) and a hard core conservative. An old School gun owner that reads the "paper version" of the Washington Post and listens to Rush every day. His Internet skills may be less than what we are accustomed too but his experience and ability to "read between the lines" has earned my respect.
I've tried to get him on FR for a dozen years now.
The Debate.
The debate comes down to that of WHO will stop 0bama from running for a 3rd term.?
His contention is that there will be NOBODY to stop him.
My contention is that there will be millions of people that will show up to protest any attempt by 0bama and a third term.
His point is that 0bama has the media.
My point is that there are enough people to counter them.
His point is that 0bama is importing voters.
My point is that it still won't be enough.
His point is that 0bama is following the classic Communist take over tactics.
I have to agree.
His point is that 0bama has violated the Constitution on soo many occasions without any push back that he will do it again, and run for a 3rd term.
My point is that if 0bama attempted this, there would actually be "democrats" that will oppose him.
There is more.
It seems to me that we are at a tipping point.
While I agree with virtually everything he says, I can't, for the life of me believe it could happen without a flood of Patriots in the streets.
I'm here on FreeRepublic because it provides me some hope that there are still people that really care.
He contends that, like many here, 0bama is trying to create chaos in order defer the elections.
I agree.
I contend that it won't be 200,000 Tea Party folks in D.C., but 2 Million people that will shut that city down.
I am looking for the thoughts of my fellow Freepers.
Since Obama isn’t going to run for a third term, how goofy do you guys have to be to be thinking. so and getting so serious about it.
I can’t, for the life of me believe it could happen without a flood of Patriots in the streets. —
I have been meditating on this for some time. How did Germany let Hitler progress?
Have read some articles about Germans at that time.
Found “Normalcy Bias” as a descriptor.
Agree with your Step Dad.
Still personally I want to DO SOMETHING, but what?
Even the libs are tired of BO’s BS.
Of course, they’d love to have someone like Elizabeth Warren run, so they haven’t learned anything.
0bama would probably like to become the UN Secretary to further his plans to become king of the world. LOL
I agree with your Stepfather’s assesment. The trajectory and speed at which Obama and Jarret are moving all indicate more derived chaos and crisis to come. Who has stopped them to any substantial degree so far? I have zero faith and confidence with at least half of the brain dead electorate.
I read that Bill Clinton sent a letter to the Supremes outlining his legal reasoning as to why he could run for a third term. The Supremes sent back a note saying, no way. I don’t know what mechanism would actually stop a president from running for a third term. We are fortunate that there are so few bad precedents like military coups or presidents simply refusing to leave the building when they lose. But once a new president is elected the military will stop taking orders from him. Our danger is that we elect people inimical to the idea that was America.
While I agree with ansel that Obemba isn’t going to try to run for a third term nor try to become ‘dictator-for-life’, I’ll try to answer your prime question:
Assuming that he would try to run for a third term and/or simply become ‘dictator-for-life’ and while people here on FR talk a lot of nonsense about Revolution II/Civil War II/Race War ‘?’, neither will happen because too many people are complacent and ‘do-not-want-to-lose-what-they-have’. In other words, Obemba would do exactly that without too much opposition.
Sure, there would be outrage, etc, but the bottom line is that we would then be subjugated forever.
You have to consider that many, if not most, FReepers are old, decrepit and simply can no longer be as active as a 20-year-old in his prime.
Some, despite their posts of outright rebellion, are at the point of being too old to care much about what is going to happen tomorrow and do not even know if they are going to be on this Earth tomorrow. I, for example, am 71-years old with multiple health issues and I do mean ‘multiple’. How long would I last in a rebellion? Maybe until after the first shot would be fired? ;-)
Harsh? Maybe, but from my viewpoint, that is where we stand.
Another poster, years ago, and I wish that I could remember his screen name, said something to the effect that FReepers are a lot of talk but no action. That may or may not be true and I do not know the whole of the FReeper mentality but I think that many FReepers are in the same boat as I.
Honestly, to you and FIL, I honestly don’t think he has it in him. He LOVES the perks but he doesn’t love the work, the hours, the pressure. He has amassed a fortune or knows how he will. He sees how he can still be the rock star like clinton (bill!) still kind of is. If he gets divorced, which would suit both parties pretty fine, he can love a debauched life and get serviced by any gay man willing. They can just come right into his palatial manse. I don’t think he’s going to try that, and most democrats will be against it as well.
Oh, and hats off followed by a sharp, military salute to your Submariner Captain, step-father from an old boat sailor! ;-)
Step day is right. Maybe not an official third term but he and VJ are setting events in line so a some huge event could be used to suspend the election.
I don’t think obama will try for a third term; but it is not beyond comprehension; if those people in congress are impotent to stop anything of significance so far; I would agree with your Dad; your scenario of millions protesting is not a deterrent to obama; unless it turns out to be a bloody revolution, in which case the entire gov’t must be thrown down; that would be for “We The People” a constitutional remedy.
George Soros and company will stop him. Zero is a houseboy, not the master.
No deferred elections in the Civil War, none now. President doesn’t get a say in 50 separate state elections.
If his intent is to sabotage Hillary so that Michelle can run, then they can potentially get 2 more terms.
I am convinced your step father is correct, and have been arguing the same points for a long time.
When we reflect on the Founding Fathers, consider the four things they were pledged to:
1. Their lives - they were willing to stand up to tyranny and if necessary die as martyrs. How many of our cohort are literally willing to die for the the cause of liberty?
2. Their fortunes — we cannot even find any similar “leaders” of financial means willing to seriously risk anything. The rhetorical “leaders” of the liberty movement rarely present the brutal truth as it would risk their ratings and advertising income (Mark Levin and a handful of local talkers like Steve Deace and Jim Garrison probably being the exception). And our political “leaders?” They will not even risk a single point in leftist opinion polls or incur a harsh word from the leftist establishment press (but I repeat myself) in order to do the right thing.
3. Their sacred honor — seriously, do we have even a handful of “leaders” with any sense of honor? Not from where I sit. there are only a half dozen or so with access to mass information organs who are on our side when push comes to shove.
4. The fourth commitment by the Founders was the willingness to, if necessary, kill their fellow British subjects in order to achieve liberty. How many of us are willing to literally kill our dependent/collectivist neighbors if necessary to stop Obama?
It is possibly true that the legion of patriots may be sizable, perhaps even adequate to the task of stopping fascist tyranny. But the disparate threads of the movement need to be pulled together into a cogent and irresistible whole in order to prevail. Given the deafening silence in the face of the statist juggernaut over the past 6, 10, 2o years, I am not optimistic about such a development.
The sad thing is that he will not do something a blatant as run for a third term. The reality is we will have someone else in the office and that person will continue the same crap to one degree or another.
It is as it was in Rome at the fall of the Republic. The Empire began when Augustus continued to be the “first citizen”, even when he was not Counsel for the yearly term. The forms and offices of the republic were preserved but subverted.
The media is NOT that impressed with Obama...Yes, the media is liberal but they're not criminals.
Not saying Obama hasn't 'groomed' some lone wolf journalists/communists - Obama does have a tendency to stand with criminals - even glorify criminals... But 98% to 99% of American journalists are loyal Americans. Maybe more...
The other thing is the United States is a country of laws... white people aren't going to 'flood the streets'... that's the black and brown way. We're not going to hold hands and sing either... or take to wearing $500 sneakers. Or stealing them.
Come on...
Many years ago a friend who lived on the South Side of Chicago came up with a plan: we would all vote for Goldwater and then when Goldwater won there would be a revolution... I remember looking at her and realizing all my socialist friends were nuts... not in touch with American... not in touch with reality.
Obama's going to love the cushy life of an ex-President. Golf, $400,000 speaking fees -- what's not to love? And why throw that all away?
There's this language in my pocket constitution called the 22nd Amendment. He can't run unless the U.S. Constitution is amended.....
The only thing preventing a third term is obama’s failure to keep his supporters happy. He promised utopia and delivered nothing. Now if he were to deliver quickly on a big promise, such as the banning of private ownership of guns and ammo, the liberals and MSM would sweep him into office. Add a little civil war on the part of conservatives, and it would just make him even more popular since it would be touted by the MSM as a race war.
The biggest flaw in your step-dad’s argument: He presumes 0bama actually *wants* the job. He clearly doesn’t.
This is all just my opinion and the way I see it. 0bama is a slacker of the highest order. He’s never had to *really* work for anything in his entire life until he ran for President and he does not like it one bit.
He flees the White Hut at any opportunity: Golf, Vacation... heck, he even prefers fund raising over his official responsibilities.
Once the next President is elected, no matter who that may be, at the very moment 0bama gets the official signal that he is clear to leave, I bet all you will see is a cloud of dust about waist high where 0bama was standing a split second ago. He will be gone like a shot and won’t be looking back. He has some graft... er... demoncrap sponsored cush-job(s) lined up where his only responsibilities will be to appear before his adoring fans, play golf and get paid an obscene amount of money while doing it. He will be beyond the reach of conservatives, and any MSM who might ask him even mildly tough questions. He will be back in his “world” where everything goes his way and no one questions him.
There will be no 0bama “nth” term because he desperately, desperately does not want one. He quit caring awhile ago and is hanging on now only because he *has* to and moreso because he is surrounded by sycophants who work their asses off daily to keep him motivated and going. Without them, he’d probably wouldn’t bother getting out of bed until after 10 each day...