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Jay Feely: Tim Tebow Is The ‘Worst Quarterback’ Ever, But Do The NFL Stats Agree?
Inquisitr ^ | 04/23/2015

Posted on 04/23/2015 9:19:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: ßuddaßudd
I guess he’s never seen the work of Jamarcus Russell , ? ,

I'm not sure I'd put "work" and "Jamarcus Russell" in the same sentence...

101 posted on 04/23/2015 1:19:34 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: Pelham

Excellent analysis.


102 posted on 04/23/2015 1:22:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fleas and ticks are like vampires - but not the good kind.)
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To: stylin_geek
Demonstrably true? Maybe in your mind.

Rules weren't changed to keep the QB in the pocket. That style was determined as the most effective long before the rules changed to protect QBs and they will probably keep changing. There have even been changes (sliding) for QBs outside the pocket. It's not as if the owners actually care what style is used. What they care about is protecting their investment.

And, no, it wouldn't take imagination to change the "style" so Tebow can play. As I stated before, there has been an evolution of the game as to what works best. Your running style QB is as old as the game. The wild cat is also an old formation used long ago. There aren't too many secrets in play formations. Teams stopped using those old styles for obvious reasons -- pocket QBs who get the ball to the play-makers are more effective and successful.

More than a few players call the NFL “The No Fun League.”

Yeah, because these idiots can't dance with the cheerleaders after scoring TDs. There's a reason for not allowing that level of taunting too.
103 posted on 04/23/2015 1:24:26 PM PDT by nonamer
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To: Tax-chick

Thank you. I’m not even an NFL fan, I prefer watching college ball. But the Tebow madness keeps bringing me back. There’s obviously something more than the usual “my guy is better” argument going on here and I keep hoping we get to see this explode into a huge circus next fall.


104 posted on 04/23/2015 1:53:36 PM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Hoffer Rand

LOL true dat


105 posted on 04/23/2015 1:54:40 PM PDT by ßuddaßudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: discostu
The offense gets run mostly from the sidelines.

So the sideline leads the huddle, takes the snap, hands the ball off, runs with the ball, and passes the ball?

I think you're confusing the calling of plays with running the offense.

You score points and win the game by completing passes.
So rushing TD's don't count? Protecting the ball doesn't count? Fourth quarter winning drives don't count?

Tebow had 17 passing TD's and 12 rushing TD's, vs 9 interceptions. He also had a winning record.

It seems to me that his accomplishments are much more convincing than your opinion.

106 posted on 04/23/2015 1:55:44 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Pelham

I’m not a football fan, either, but because professional sports is such a huge industry, these flurries over individual players are very interesting, sociologically.


107 posted on 04/23/2015 1:57:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fleas and ticks are like vampires - but not the good kind.)
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To: Moonman62

The sideline calls the play which the QB relays in the huddle, which includes the snap count is to use. The QB’s job is executing the play called. And if the play called is a pass, which it is more than half the time in the modern NFL, part of that execution is completing the pass. Which Tebow doesn’t do.

A QB with under 50% completions is not protecting the ball.

He has a bad completion percentage. And over half “his” wins involved him throwing less than 10 passes. He is quite simply not a good QB. He’s a gamer. Lots of effort. And highly entertaining to watch, so long you’re not the guy who called a pass play only to watch him throw it at the grass.

My “opinion” is matched by the 4 different coaches he’s worked for over his career. And in a few months there’s a good chance a 5th coach is going to be added to the list of guys acknowledging he doesn’t have what it takes. It’s his failure they see, and that I’m pointing out. Sorry if you don’t find that convincing, but that’s on you. His history is there and plainly obvious: cannot complete passes in the NFL level.


108 posted on 04/23/2015 2:01:28 PM PDT by discostu (Bobby, I'm sorry you have a head like a potato.)
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To: Pelham
The prospect of Tebow getting a second chance in the NFL has them losing their minds. Very entertaining.

Broncos, Jets, Patriots, Eagles. This is his fourth chance in the NFL.

109 posted on 04/23/2015 2:02:27 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Moonman62
It seems to me that his accomplishments are much more convincing than your opinion.

But apparently not convincing enough to the three NFL teams that have already determined Tebow doesn't have what it takes to make their team, and the 28 others who didn't think Tebow was worth bringing into camp. That leaves the Eagles. And we'll see if Tebow can show enough to stick around with them.

110 posted on 04/23/2015 2:06:41 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: discostu
... part of that execution is completing the pass. Which Tebow doesn’t do.

Then how did he get 17 TD passes?

A QB with under 50% completions is not protecting the ball.

Having more TD passes than interceptions is the usual measure for protecting the ball, or I suppose interceptions per pass attempt would be another. Then there is also the matter of having more wins than losses. Most of the time in the NFL, the team that wins turnovers, wins the game. And Tebow has more wins than losses. And Tebow did turn the ball over significantly in his losses, but he had fewer of those than he did wins, when he did an excellent job of protecting the ball.

111 posted on 04/23/2015 2:13:56 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Tax-chick

Better than soap opera, lol.


112 posted on 04/23/2015 2:15:06 PM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: DoodleDawg

Joe Montana also had trouble moving up the depth chart both in college and the pros, but when he had a chance to play, it was a different story.


113 posted on 04/23/2015 2:16:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Pelham

You can learn a lot about people this way.


114 posted on 04/23/2015 2:19:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fleas and ticks are like vampires - but not the good kind.)
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To: Moonman62

17 TD passes for 23 games (we’ll do him a favor and pretend that NYJ year never happened) isn’t actually very much. That’s less than 1 a game. Not really an NFL caliber QB stat.

His TD to INT ratio isn’t that good. And also one must remember just how often he threw hardly any passes. If your OC trusts you so little that you only throw 10 times in a game you’re probably not going to throw an INT, because it’s hard to throw an INT when you’re not throwing period.

It’s a 53 man roster. QBs don’t win alone. Tebow was helped quite a bit by the Denver defense getting their act together and shaving 15 points off their PAA.

The facts are in. He is not a good QB. Period. The Tebow cultists need to internalize that. Don’t know why you guys can’t handle a simple and obvious truth. You keep beating the drum on “his” wins and studiously ignore the plainly obvious truth. Don’t know why so many of you have your sense of self worth tied to him. But it’s sad.

Meanwhile enjoy the OTA footage that leaks of him. He probably won’t be on the team come pre-season, and just forget regular season action.


115 posted on 04/23/2015 2:26:58 PM PDT by discostu (Bobby, I'm sorry you have a head like a potato.)
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To: Tax-chick

I know. The Tebow cult is being denounced by the anti-Tebow cult. Religion is definitely involved, but it may not be the religion that people normally think of when the name Tebow is invoked. Popcorn is needed to fuel further study.


116 posted on 04/23/2015 2:37:51 PM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Moonman62
Joe Montana also had trouble moving up the depth chart both in college and the pros, but when he had a chance to play, it was a different story.

Tebow had 11 games in the 2011 season with the Broncos and 8 games in 2012 with the Jets. He could be out of chances.

117 posted on 04/23/2015 2:38:56 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Pelham

Sports-fandom is a fascinating manifestation of the human religious instinct.


118 posted on 04/23/2015 2:42:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fleas and ticks are like vampires - but not the good kind.)
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To: Tax-chick

119 posted on 04/23/2015 2:53:03 PM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham

My geeky 13-year-old son says that’s an alien of the same species as Darth Maul, only a different color.


120 posted on 04/23/2015 2:55:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fleas and ticks are like vampires - but not the good kind.)
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