Posted on 06/22/2015 4:15:39 PM PDT by Ray76
"The state of slavery in this country, so far as it can be ascertained from the laws of the several independent sovereignties which belong to our confederacy, is the subject of the following sheets. This comprises a particular examination of the laws of the states of Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Missouri." - From the preface
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But we never hear about how those vile slave states overthrew their lawful government in preference for one of their own. For some reason, a lot of people just don't notice the hypocrisy involved.
How about the US flag flying over slave ships.
Flying over slavery.
Flying over the west when we went and killed Indians, raped them, robbed them, and took their land away from them.
The battle flag flew on battlefields and never flew as a Govt Confederacy flag and yet these people ignore all the facts due to their ignorance or hypocrisy.
Using this shooting to promote their agenda shows how disgusting and sick these twisted people are in the media and the Govt.
From an American point of view, we were justified in declaring our independence from George III. From an American Constitutional point of view, the Confederate declarations of secession from the United States were unconstitutional.
There is no hypocrisy from the American point of view. Only if one places human slavery above the stated ideals of 1776 does this become an issue.
Bfl
“From an American Constitutional point of view, the Confederate declarations of secession from the United States were unconstitutional.”
Show me where in the U.S. Constitution of 1861 that secession was unconstitutional, or illegal.
The Founding Fathers and early US Presidents believed that and took it for granted. Senator Stephen Douglas in 1860: “I am in favor of executing in good faith every clause and provision of the Constitution and protecting every right under it - and then hanging every man who takes up arms against it!”
You said secession was unconstitutional. Again, show me where in the U.S. Constitution of 1861 where it states secession is unconstitutional.
Maryland is an interesting point of study for those who care to do the research...
As we explained with this bit of text.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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From an American Constitutional point of view, the Confederate declarations of secession from the United States were unconstitutional.
Only if you don't comprehend the meaning of the above text taken from the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution acquired it's authority from the Declaration (our founding document) and not the other way around. The principles embedded in the Declaration override those of the US Constitution.
As the Declaration enshrined the principle that people had a right to break from England, then it most certainly enshrined the principle that people have a right to break from a far lesser established government.
There is no hypocrisy from the American point of view.
I just pointed it out.
Only if one places human slavery above the stated ideals of 1776 does this become an issue.
You mean as every single State did in 1776-1787? They were ALL slave states. Obviously they didn't intend for the Declaration to apply to slaves, else they would have freed them when they wrote it. Not even Thomas Jefferson did this.
The Hypocrisy is glaring.
New Jersey had blacks who were freed only by the ratification of the 13th Amendment in Dec, 1865.
Guess we need to start repudiating Pres. Jefferson since he had a bunch of slaves and didn’t even free all of them - some of which were his children or close relatives - on his death.
A lot of people who laud the Union effort to thwart independence for the Southern States are completely unaware of the fact that they had a lot of slave states on their side too.
When the war started, Lincoln let it be known that abolishing slavery was not a goal of the war. When it became apparent that his side was going to win, they pulled the old "bait and switch."
“[Union] had a lot of slave states on their side too.”
Five, iirc, not a small % of the Union states.
Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Kentucky, and Missouri.
Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Kentucky, and Missouri.
As is probably obvious to anyone not fooled by revisionist history, one would think that if slavery was why they were fighting the war, they would have abolished it in their own states first.
Obviously slavery was not their motivation, but they keep claiming that it was because it sounds more noble than the truth.
New Jersey didn't join in a war launched to protect the institution of slavery.
Preserving the United States was not noble?
To the same degree as preserving the United Kingdom.
My understanding is that the right of self determination was the founding principle of this nation. It seems that our government had forgotten this by the time of the Civil War.
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