Lost causers have certainly learned a thing or two from Uncle Joe...
Posted on 08/01/2015 7:09:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Social engineers have a knack for destroying history, then self-servingly reshaping it to align with political agendas for consumption by the masses.
The results of their skill are no better exemplified than we are currently witnessing. Confederate history is quite literally being destroyed, as monuments to Robert E. Lee and other Confederate heroes are being defaced by ignorant vandals who know nothing more than the legend of how Abraham Lincoln and his brave Union army crushed Jefferson Davis’ and Robert E. Lee’s Southern hordes in the name of liberating enslaved blacks.
That this is legend is in no way true makes it no less pervasively believed by those who wish to remain ignorant. If you don’t believe me at my word that Lincoln did not wage his war in the name of freeing Southern slaves, perhaps you might believe his? In a letter to Horace Greely in August, 1862:
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save the Union by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
His primary impetus for the invasion of the South was the preservation of the Union. That much should be clear, as the above quote was written well afterward.
Lincoln believed fervently that this righteous endeavor of preserving the Union, and not the abolition of slavery, warranted the conflict that now call the Civil War. From the 1861 Inaugural Address:
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Confederate solders would by mostly food products, jellys jams etc. from the Pennsylvanians.
RE: Confederate solders would by mostly food products, jellys jams etc. from the Pennsylvanians.
Well, it looks like a lot of Northerners were NOT hating on the Confederates at all... At least not enough to not trade with them.
For a detailed account of the conduct of Confederate troops during Lee’s Pennsylvania campaign, read High Tide at Gettysburg by Glenn Tucker.
I read some letters from a solder in Ewells Corp. He talked about buying some jelly at a store in Harrisburg PA. The shop owner had no problem with their money on the way out of the store the owner called him a Tory under his breath. That pissed him off and he got into a fist fight with the owner which was broken up by his friends.
That's a fact. A vigorous trade continued between the north and South throughout the war.
The notion That lee didnt “personally” own slaves is revisionist BS.
Also the Invasion of Pennsylvania in 1863 under Lee's command saw many Confederate raids on settlements to recapture runaway slaves and other free blacks.
And while Lee found the practice unpalatable...he did not forbid it.
These raids went on until Lee's troops were defeated and retreated south after the battle of Gettysburg.
“Undoubtedly like his god, Lincoln. “Winning” cost 600,000+ lives. Only a true tyrant would exact that price just because he thought he was right.”
My God?
Pretty Sure lincoln was a man...even though he still invokes Lincoln derangment syndrome to this very day.
I've Googled that one every which way AND CANNOT GET ANY DATA ON THAT. Post a reference.
I guess you mean Chambersburg 1864 CS Cavalry raid which was such an anomaly and in all the papers because IT WAS SO OUT OF LINE with what the Army of NoVa was know for - being well disciplined and not destructive of private property.
I guess your google is broke then:
I certainly think that you can have a discussion on putting Sherman ahead of Lee. I put him there because of his win/loss record.
I do have a strong opinion vis a vis Lee and Grant. I think Lee is overrated by most. I think that you need to consider that his greatest victories were always on the defense, and the only major offensive moves (Antietam and Gettysburg) were failures. In addition, Lee’s reputation was greatly helped by the quality of his opponents in the first part of the war. Seriously, McClellan, Burnside, and Hooker? Once he faced a better quality of opponent things changed a lot. Lee was also greatly helped by the quality of his subordinates. Winning is a whole lot easier when you have Longstreet and Jackson as your Corps commanders,
Grant, on the other hand, was always fighting on the offense, which is much harder than the defense. He succeeded in multiple theaters without a loss.
Another interesting point is that Grant is portrayed as a butcher, but his losses of 154,000 compare favorably to Lee’s losses of 209,000 losses, especially when you consider that he was always on the offense, which is typically bloodier than the defense.
Grant wasn’t perfect, obviously, but I think his record puts him above Lee on the list of greatest Civil War Generals (I’ll spot you Sherman).
To which I say, pull the other leg. It's got bells on it.
According to Lee's best known biographer, Douglas Southall Freeman, Lee owned slaves much of his adult life.
Lost causers have certainly learned a thing or two from Uncle Joe...
Like I said in an earlier post, most historians, and all true Southerners, disagree with you.
Apparently, the majority of the troops were “well disciplined”. The did just what their commanding general told them to do... Burn the town to the ground. A few of the undisciplined confederate troops who refused to participate were arrested by their commander.
Your GoneWith The Wind Hollywood version of history when it comes to the CSA is getting very tiresom.
Well it’s nice to know that you disagree, but it would be helpful to find out why you disagree. What did I say about Lee that I was wrong about? What did I say about Grant that was wrong?
RE: According to Lee’s best known biographer, Douglas Southall Freeman, Lee owned slaves much of his adult life.
Nobody disputes that Lee owned slaves. The question is did he ACTIVELY acquire them or did he INHERIT them from his parents and in-laws?
And here’s the other question -— HOW WERE THE SLAVES TREATED UNDER HIS OWNERSHIP?
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