Posted on 01/16/2016 7:19:01 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
Just got out of Benghazi 13 hours.
Wow what a movie!
It was evident from the start this was an accurate portrayal.
The actual participants in Benghazi helped Director Michael Bay plot out the movie.
At times the characters/heroes were a bit hard to follow as one bearded dude looked just like the next.
But the overall story, plot and accounts were told perfectly.
From the beginning of the movie until the end you can see how higher ups were stifling the contractors and CIA Agents.
They also did a good job showing that each man had a family to come home to they loved very much.
Also during different times over the 13 hours multiple calls for help were made. Planes were shown sitting at the ready.
At one point those at the Annex are just asking for a simple flyover and they are told no.
These men and women were left to die while interrupting Obama and Hillary's scheming. (Gun running)
In the end as they're about to head home one of the survivors makes an interesting comment, almost an aside, but important nonetheless.
"Something's not right. How did those guys know our exact position? Something doesn't smell right."
Indeed.
What we know is Obama and Hillary were running guns/weapons in Benghazi to groups like Ansar al Sharia who is named in the movie as responsible for the attack.
What do you think? Did the deal go bad? Somebody didn't bring enough money and the Arabs felt screwed?
The movie didn't address it but hours before the consulate was attacked Chris Stephens was meeting with the Turkish ambassador.
Why??
Also what of the reports early on of militants at the compound being heard saying "Don't shoot! Morsi sent us!" There was a FR thread about this at one time.
The whole situation raises more questions than it does answers.
Why did Obama and Hillary pull security from the embassy weeks before the attack?
Was the attack a payment of some sort from Obama to the terrorist group?
What do you think??
At one point in the movie one of the heroes says "Am I the only one that feels like everybody knows what's going on here but us?"
To me it looks as if the CIA Contractors got in the way of Obama's plot.
Had the CIA Station Chief held them off an extra 30 minutes Stephens may have lived to tell the tale.
Was that CIA Station chief in on it? Why did he receive an award for essentially doing nothing??
Anyhow would love your thoughts!
Great movie!!
Funny about people yelling watch your step!
Lol, where do you live?
Brrr
Also when we walked out it was silent.
Nobody was talking.
That’s good to hear. Not that you didn’t get to see it but that it was sold out in LA.
Yes Dr Morsi sent us.
I will see if I can find that thread.
It was based on the book written by some contractors about what happened to them. Apolitical, and they were there during the shooting of the film to make sure their story was told.
The movie was a little incomplete about that. The initial background into panels suggest they were there to "monitor the weapons depots as the situation deteriorates".
Yeah, but WHY..?
Of course to plunder the more serviceable weapons of Khaddafi's arsenal and then transfer them.
At another juncture they perform a MANPADS missile buy with a local warlord, then cut to HQ, where they admonish that they wish to BLOW UP his main stash.
But that, too, is wrong:
They key aim was to scoop up the best weapons and then transfer them.
But that wasn't in the movie.
It's like some theoretical Jason Bourne film in which he is fighting through a chaotic world, but in this version more acceptable to libs there are no dark Treadstone machinations, back in DC.
But of course those Bourne films show DC treachery in very exotic, almost twisted, detail.
If Michael Bay was to continue to have a film career, he had to stick the men in a tight, sterile political vaccuum, and we here at FR with all our unusual tools fill in the many blanks.
I'm not sure if the outside world does that, however.
Thought I had it bookmarked on my desktop.
But I know it’s not on the smertfoan.
The Feb 17 martyrs Brigade was also Al-Qeada affiliated, and doing site security for the “mission” if memory serves.
But I could be wrong on that.
They knew the attack was coming.
No, He would have praised Hillary and BO. No thanks to CIA officers and contractors.
In all fairness, Reagan had the Marine Barracks in Lebanon and we just pulled out. No retribution equal to the Attack.
Benghazi’s Smoking Gun? Only President Can Give “Cross-Border Authority”
(I wrote this a couple weeks after Benghazi)
https://pjmedia.com/blog/benghazis-smoking-gun-only-president-can-give-%e2%80%98cross-border-authority%e2%80%99/
The Benghazi debacle boils down to a single key factor — the granting or withholding of “cross-border authority.” This opinion is informed by my experience as a Navy SEAL officer who took a NavSpecWar Detachment to Beirut.
Once the alarm is sent — in this case, from the consulate in Benghazi — dozens of HQs are notified and are in the planning loop in real time, including AFRICOM and EUCOM, both located in Germany. Without waiting for specific orders from Washington, they begin planning and executing rescue operations, including moving personnel, ships, and aircraft forward toward the location of the crisis. However, there is one thing they can’t do without explicit orders from the president: cross an international border on a hostile mission.
That is the clear “red line” in this type of a crisis situation.
No administration wants to stumble into a war because a jet jockey in hot pursuit (or a mixed-up SEAL squad in a rubber boat) strays into hostile territory. Because of this, only the president can give the order for our military to cross a nation’s border without that nation’s permission. For the Osama bin Laden mission, President Obama granted CBA for our forces to enter Pakistani airspace.
On the other side of the CBA coin: in order to prevent a military rescue in Benghazi, all the POTUS has to do is not grant cross-border authority. If he does not, the entire rescue mission (already in progress) must stop in its tracks.
Ships can loiter on station, but airplanes fall out of the sky, so they must be redirected to an air base (Sigonella, in Sicily) to await the POTUS decision on granting CBA. If the decision to grant CBA never comes, the besieged diplomatic outpost in Benghazi can rely only on assets already “in country†in Libya — such as the Tripoli quick reaction force and the Predator drones. These assets can be put into action on the independent authority of the acting ambassador or CIA station chief in Tripoli. They are already “in country,” so CBA rules do not apply to them.
How might this process have played out in the White House?
(the rest at the link)
I was prepared to be very critical of the storyline when I went to see it but the only fault I could find was with the initial setup description that said that the US and France had bombed Libyan forces under the dictator Ghadiffi to support the introduction of a democratic government. No mention was made that this was a Clinton/Obama arms for the Arab Spring adventure unsanctioned by Congress. It was good at showing how the general populace was highly armed due to Clinton/Obamas lack of planning that should have included Special Ops forces on the ground at the time of the bombings or slightly before to be sure all of these arms were denied to the terrorist entities including the SAMs that are now the biggest threat not being talked about. but boots on the ground is unthinkable to liberal minds.
No
Your role in all this has been fantastic —very helpful.
In all honesty, there is no comparison. The Beirut bombing was not an actual “Alamo in progress” with American’s calling out for immediate rescue, lest they be totally overrun and die.
Saved it on this device.
Now let’s see if I remember that.
“I’m still waiting to hear what happened to the 27 surviving witnesses that were hidden from the media.”
Any idea who they are? If they’re people with jobs they don’t want to lose that might be a reason. Also, lots of people sign non-disclosure agreements, or the info they have is classified and they don’t want to go to jail.
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