".....But we don't want the Irish!"
Posted on 03/18/2016 4:43:22 AM PDT by high info voter
They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.
Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. Some were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.
We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.
But are we talking about African slavery? King James VI and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.
The Irish slave trade began when James VI sold 30,000 Irish .........
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And I confess that much of my distaste for Richard Threesticks comes from Shakespeare, who, writing for a largely Lancastrian audience, would have naturally shunned the Yorkist.
But come on ... Murdering his own nephews ...?
It’s pretty obvious you really don’t know a lot about this history. When you provide me with the evidence of the death of these boys, I’ll talk with you.
Shakespeare’s audience was Tudor, neither Lancastrian or Yorkist although, of course, there were some people of waning Lancastrian descent within the royal family. Henry the 7th and Henry the 8th murdered all of the Plantagenet family (the Yorkists) with the exception of Henry the 7th’s wife. She croaked early during childbirth.
Do Irish-Americans whine about America? Maybe. My family never did - they were glad to be here. If they ever complained, it was about Great Britain.
Agreed. Unfortunately, none of those oppressed Irish are alive to air legitimate grievances from those days. Evil exists and all suffer from it in various ways but group identity is falsely used to fracture, not unite. A little Biblical wisdom sums it up nicely: ‘Let the dead bury the dead’, and, ‘Sufficient for today is the evil thereof.’
Henry VII and his piece of work mother had way more to gain than Richard with those boys dead. I always found it interesting that neither Henry nor his mother Margaret Beaufort ever claimed that Richard had those boys murdered.
My only question about Henry's involvement was the two pretenders: Perkin Warbeck and the Irish! Lambert Simnel. Why was Henry so cruel to Warbeck? Surely, he must have suspicions he was Richard of York...
One thing that people generally don't know about Richard the Third is that there was another nephew who came before him in ascendancy to the throne: his brother George's son. But he was killed by Henry the 7th, not Richard...
Romans? What Romans?
Henry VII was a bastard Welshman with very little claim to the throne despite his Lancastrian blood. He can’t even successfully claim kingship through conquest since he stood behind a tree at Bosworth while John de Vere did all the dirty work.
My point is that the audience of Shakespeare was neither Lancastrian or Yorkist.
African blacks captured and sold other African blacks to the slave traders.
"...Just disrupt the agricultural production over a wide area for a few years, and you have a mass die-off..."
"...If the grid collapses for even weeks, a modern society can go right off the rails..."
I respectfully request that you should write more books containing these themes. I'd buy them.
Average folks have no idea the dangers that are coming our way. It's scary when I feel people out for their awareness and preparations-most are ignorant and apathetic.
I intended this to be a lighthearted exchange, but suffice it to say that history has long suspected Richard of murdering his nephews so as to eliminate any other claimants to the throne. While there is no definitive proof that he ordered the murders, he certainly stood to benefit the most from their deaths.
And of course the Henrys and Elizabeth were Tudors, but were their allegiances more closely aligned to Lancastrian or Yorkist sympathies? After all, the Tudor dynasty only originated when Henry killed Richard — the Yorkist usurper — at Bosworth Field.
".....But we don't want the Irish!"
If we were slaves to the Romans, they paid dearly for it when we overran them. And I suspect the Lost Legion would disagree that the Germans were slave material.
But there is no evidence that a murder occurred. No evidence whatsoever. And where is the proof that he ordered them to be murdered? There simply is no evidence.
I think I have kept this friendly. But you were the one who suggested I might be a Hillary supporter.
C’mon. The Romans enslaved everyone around them, including Germans. The Praetorian Guard were Germans. And yes, they were slaves.
Who sacked Rome?
The Romans made slaves of the Gauls and other Caucasians from Europe. Ancient Egypt was based on slavery. Countless people today are descended from slaves but of course that isn’t taught in school today because too many, if not all, of those people would be white.
I actually saw a commentator in the local paper this week say that it hadn’t been that long since she would have had to use a separate water fountain and if the Republicans had had their way she still would have to use a separate water fountain. That’s what the schools have been teaching our children for the last two generations.
I’m under the impression that Warbeck was Richard of York. All the other houses of Europe thought so. And no way would the king of Scotland let his relative (his niece I think) marry Warbeck if he didn’t think that Warbeck was royalty.
***The average Irish slave lasted about a year on the Caribbean Island sugar plantations.***
Somehow the first part of CAPTAIN BLOOD comes to mind.
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