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Letter to Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle about The Mote in God's Eye {from Robert A. Heinlein}
The Virginia Edition: The Complete Works of Robert A. Heinlein (archived PDF file) ^ | June 20, 1973 | Robert A. Heinlein

Posted on 04/14/2016 11:57:53 AM PDT by EveningStar

(This is an archived PDF file. Please click the link to read it.)

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TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: books; heinlein; jerrypournelle; larryniven; moteingodseye; niven; pournelle; robertaheinlein; sciencefiction; scifi; themoteingodseye
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To: EveningStar

Interesting read. I seem to recall that although I have read a lot by the two authors, “The Mote in...” was one I could not get enthused to finish. Having read the critique, I can’t remember the book’s start well enough to determine if the items commented on caused my lack of enthusiasm.


21 posted on 04/14/2016 2:18:49 PM PDT by KC Burke (Consider all of my posts as first drafts. (Apologies to L. Niven))
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

His concept of the armored suit in Starship Troopers is the basis of the Iron Man suit and modern exo-suits.


22 posted on 04/14/2016 2:39:03 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The “There Will Be War” series regularly featured stories of Barley Cross, Ireland, starring a British soldier and his tank who turns out to be fertile in a world where everyone else is sterile.
There was a later compilation of JUST those stories plus a few original ones.


23 posted on 04/14/2016 2:43:17 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“As soon as I found Jack Vance, though....Really good stuff even if I did need to cheat with an occasional dictionary lookup. I call any man a liar who didn’t!”

The concept is nuncupatory.

Jack Vance and Gene Wolfe are my top picks if I had to choose. Although Vance was good friends with Poul Anderson, Frank Herbert and later Robert Silverburg, he was pretty much a sci-fi outsider. He claimed to have never read any sci-fi of his friends and contemporaries, even things like Dune.

Freegards


24 posted on 04/14/2016 2:45:05 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: DCBryan1

The sequel is not quite as good, in sense of wonder and curiosity, suspense and surprise, etc, but makes up for it with action and a good resolution.


25 posted on 04/14/2016 2:48:27 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

If you’ve just discovered Jack Vance, I’d recommend the Demon Princes, and Cadwal Chronicles as two of his best series. That and a good dictionary.


26 posted on 04/14/2016 2:49:34 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: EveningStar
I LOVELOVELOVE the Mote soooooooooooo much. read it any number of times. and the new one 1 or 1 times too.

One of my faves! (Both)

27 posted on 04/14/2016 3:15:29 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (How can God bless a country that's BUTCHERED 53 million babies?? Almost as many as ALL killed inWWII)
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To: Kommodor

Vance has number of simply awesome series. Demon Princes, Planet of Adventure, Lyonesse, Dying Earth. Even the ones not quite up to those in my opinion like Cadwal, Durdane, and Alastor Clucter are tremendous. No one writes prose like Vance. His career might have suffered because there was really no one great popular large stand alone novel. The Dragonmasters and the Last Castle are pretty short, and not even the greatest Vance in my opinion even though those won the awards.

Freegards


28 posted on 04/14/2016 5:38:09 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Kommodor
Ah, already gobbled those up. Demon Princes in particular is really good. Vance was just brilliant.
29 posted on 04/14/2016 6:50:15 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Ransomed; All
Just came across this absolutely fantastic write-up of Jack Vance in -- of all place -- the New York Times magazine. Well worth the read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/magazine/19Vance-t.html?_r=2

30 posted on 04/14/2016 7:00:55 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Yes that’s a really good article. I actually have read it before. The great thing here is that the literary snob types have no idea how great of a prose dispenser Vance was, simply because he wrote of the fantastic.

I like Theodore Sturgeon. A great writer. He said “90% of everything is crap” when asked why most sci-fi was bad. Vance is way way up in the 10% zone of everything that isn’t crap, and probably better than 90% of that.

Freegards


31 posted on 04/14/2016 7:46:00 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: EveningStar
This is an amazing letter. I need to go back to read "Mote" but my memory is, Niven & Pournelle incorporated most of Heinlein's changes.

Awesome quote:

"...Politics is the Art of the Possible, [and] no monarch is so absolute that he can resort to a solution his subjects won’t accept, that there is no such thing as a 'final answer,' that we humans live through finding make-do solutions to buy time— and that we can console ourselves with the hope that, just possibly, the horse might learn to sing."

32 posted on 04/15/2016 10:20:15 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: glasseye
Heinlein was a hero of mine. He gave me a libertarian streak.

Same here.. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is still one of my favorite books of all time. Also, "Farnam's Freehold" has a lot of good libertarian themes in it, but I hate the middle part where the protagonist's family is enslaved by the future tyrant.

33 posted on 04/15/2016 10:22:50 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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