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Cruz: The One We Waited For... and then Rejected
Vanity | 4/19/2016 | pgyanke

Posted on 04/19/2016 11:49:04 AM PDT by pgyanke


Credit to Pookie18

I don't know about you but I'm sick and tired of this election season. FR has turned into a bickering board of bitter bubbleheads, it seems. Where we used to see Ted Cruz as a principled conservative... we now attack anyone who likes him as a "Cruzite" or "Cruzombie"... what happened?

First, there was the attack against him that he played dirty tricks in Iowa by relaying an MSM message that Carson was leaving the race. What would you do? If you are in a popularity contest against multiple opponents, wouldn't you make sure that the votes of an ideological brother weren't wasted on a failed effort? It's a logical reasoning... and you don't have days to debate it in committee, you have minutes and seconds before votes are tallied. That Cruz apologized at all for this news media-inspired fiasco shows him to be the bigger man.

Then what? He's following the rules and gathering delegates? I thought we wanted someone who knows how the game is played and can win elections... silly me. The Trump supporters don't seem to realize that DT is not the closer he claims to be. He is riding a wave of populism but is losing on the rules because he is disorganized and unprepared.

Saying all of this doesn't mean I am anti-Trump... I am anti-Dem whether the Dem is Hillary, Bernie, or Biden. Doesn't matter to me. If Trump is the eventual nominee, he will get my vote to stop the Dem machine's destruction of our great country.

In the primary, though, I want the most conservative in the race who has shown he knows how to win. That man is Ted Cruz. Why he is slimed on a conservative board is beyond me... and it saddens me. Maybe he isn't your guy... fine. Why does he have to be slimed? If he does manage to pull out an upset... what have you accomplished but hurting our best chance for conservative restoration in this country?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; cruz; vanity
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To: editor-surveyor

Well all I can tell you is here in PA rational folks see it differently. A lot of folks think Cruz is off, not by anything Trump has said, but by what has come out of Cruz’s mouth.

Mind you Trump is a very flawed candidate and I have not heard any Trump fans deny that or to fail to acknowledge that he many be a risky candidate for a number of reasons.


321 posted on 04/19/2016 7:17:09 PM PDT by Frederick303
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To: Luircin
Do you want an answer, or do you want to mock, insult, and condescend?

Who are you talking to? Have I done something to you?

Because if you’re not even going to consider my point of view, I’m just going to tell you to shove it without wasting my time.

Don't bother. A going-in attitude like that tells me you aren't worth my time.

322 posted on 04/19/2016 7:42:16 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

Thought so. You never wanted an answer; you just wanted to be holier-than-thou.


323 posted on 04/19/2016 7:46:36 PM PDT by Luircin (Supervillians for Trump: We're sick of being the lesser evil!)
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To: ShivaFan
You're kidding, right? The rules are published and they are known in the precincts where they matter. People in CO followed the process to choose delegates all the way up to the state convention. There is an established process for CO's primary that was followed... and exploited by the candidate who studied how to win.

What's funny about all of this controversy is that Trump is actually arguing as a Democrat... and his "conservative" followers are eating it up without question. What is democracy? One man, one vote. The Democrats would like to do away with the Electoral College because of this philosophy. Yet, our Founding Fathers knew better the type of tyranny that would result.

We are not a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution guarantees a Republican form of government. You know what that is? That's where the people vote for people to represent their interests in higher votes... just like in CO.

324 posted on 04/19/2016 8:06:47 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Iscool
I think it's because it's clear he's a pathological liar...

Not arguing your ad hominems. Please be specific so we can discuss. Pick a lie.

325 posted on 04/19/2016 8:08:21 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Unfortunately for him, most people got what he meant when he said it, that New Yorkers are pushy, loud, unChristian, aggressive, unethical, etc.

I can only explain it to you as it was intended. I can't understand it for you. Cruz explained his comment and it is not what you posted.

326 posted on 04/19/2016 8:11:50 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Luircin
Thought so. You never wanted an answer; you just wanted to be holier-than-thou.

Check your first post to me... and then take a walk. The grown-ups are having a discussion here.

327 posted on 04/19/2016 8:14:55 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: DrewsDad
Thank you for the thread.

You're welcome.

328 posted on 04/19/2016 8:17:11 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: ShivaFan

“There is nothing more sacred to America than the vote.”

In 1908, the eligible voter turnout was 65%. It hasn’t been surpassed since, with most turnout numbers being lower, and often much lower, and way less for local and state elections.

Draw your own conclusions.

Freegards


329 posted on 04/19/2016 9:01:08 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: pgyanke
Not arguing your ad hominems. Please be specific so we can discuss. Pick a lie.

Trump is anti-second amendment is one...

330 posted on 04/19/2016 10:47:33 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: pgyanke

I liked Cruz and disparaged Trump from the start.

But when Trump stood up for political incorrectness during the first debate and then rose in the polls, it changed everything for me.

It was then that I realized I wanted a culture warrior to fight for our side.

It made me realize the truth of Brietbart’s assertion that politics is downstream from culture.

Trump is the only person who has what it takes to reverse the politically correct cultural rot that has weakened the country.


331 posted on 04/19/2016 11:03:21 PM PDT by Vision Thing (mathematically eliminaTED)
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To: pgyanke

Concur.

I’ll probably end up voting for Trump in the end, but I haven’t seen anything indicating he isn’t another Ross Perot.

Most of the attacks against Cruz are consistent as simply acts of projection.


332 posted on 04/19/2016 11:24:50 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Cvengr
I'm happy that you're giving Mr. Trump a second look.

I know his campaign and his supporters will welcome you if you decide to come his way.

333 posted on 04/19/2016 11:27:55 PM PDT by TontoKowalski (You can call me "Dick.")
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To: Cvengr
The difference between Perot and Trump is simple in one regard. Trump has proved he's a winner, Perot simply wanted to be a spoiler.

Projecting? I think not. Trump has been a leader in bringing forth the issues the American people want to vote for, and he knows how to set a narrative that the media can't overcome.

It's all over but the whining of the GOPE and the last of the Cruz campaign that still apparently wants to do the bidding of those it claims to be against.

334 posted on 04/19/2016 11:31:01 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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To: Jewbacca
Bright and sparkly yet not PC and desiring conservative goals with a big brain and history of big success to back it up.

Has a personality and instead of 22 has tens of thousands come hear him at rally's.

335 posted on 04/19/2016 11:32:21 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Durbin

Not true, I donated four times and was for him until he kept showing a poor character making me despise him.

Takes IMO quite the tool to turn his donor against him.


336 posted on 04/19/2016 11:34:37 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Lakeshark
Trump has proved he's a winner,

I don't consider somebody who has filed for bankruptcy 4 times, 'a winner', but I would come closer to considering him as a worldly fraud.

I believe he is wealthy, or at least very worldly. He also has an ability of adversarily attacking others on a worldly stage and gains enormous power in his attacks. So he will win many worldly conflicts.

In many situations, Trump seems to have one thing in common with any sinner. You don't get there unless you've first turned away from God, at least for a moment.

But like many believers, we still sin, but tend to turn back to God. By repentance and confession, we still have that opportunity.

337 posted on 04/19/2016 11:44:46 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: pgyanke
We are not a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution guarantees a Republican form of government. You know what that is? That's where the people vote for people to represent their interests in higher votes... just like in CO.

But that Constitutional Republican of government did not allow for political parties because it would result in party bosses which we now have...They knew party bosses would have undue power to influence the delegates and the entire process as we have now...

A Republican form of government does not prohibit democracy but depends upon it...It is the power of the people as opposed to party bosses who are to control the government...

It is not Ted Cruz who is winning all these 'after the fact' delegates for Ted Cruz, it is the party bosses winning (influencing and coercing) the delegates for the 'party...

338 posted on 04/19/2016 11:51:23 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: Lakeshark
Perot simply wanted to be a spoiler.

I don't know how you could say that...Trump is running against those things Perot warned us about...

339 posted on 04/19/2016 11:54:55 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: Cvengr
I don't consider somebody who has filed for bankruptcy 4 times, 'a winner'

I guess I don't consider someone who actually believes that to be particularly well informed either.

You might want to look up what Chapter 11 means, what it does, and how it works.

Trump has never once "filed for bankruptcy". His company is well run, the companies within in it are strong, and he's built quite a fine legacy.

On the other hand, his main opponent has never actually accomplished much of anything, but that's another conversation in and of itself. That's a different kind of bankruptcy. Trump at least is 99+% successful in what he has done.

340 posted on 04/19/2016 11:57:58 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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