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Pioneering Neuroscientist Wilder Penfield: Why Don't We Have Intellectual Seizures?
Evolution News and Views ^ | April 21, 2016 | Michael Egnor

Posted on 04/21/2016 12:30:08 PM PDT by Heartlander

Pioneering Neuroscientist Wilder Penfield: Why Don't We Have Intellectual Seizures?

Michael Egnor April 21, 2016 12:00 PM | Permalink

Wilder Penfield was a pivotal figure in modern neurosurgery. He was an American-born neurosurgeon at the Montreal Neurological Institute who pioneered surgery for epilepsy. He was an accomplished scientist as well as a clinical surgeon, and made seminal contributions to our knowledge of cortical physiology, brain mapping, and intraoperative study of seizures and brain function under local anesthesia with patients awake who could report experiences during brain stimulation.

His surgical specialty was the mapping of seizure foci in the brain of awake (locally anesthetized) patients, using the patient's experience and response to precise brain stimulation to locate and safely excise discrete regions of the cortex that were causing seizures. Penfield revolutionized neurosurgery (every day in the operating room I use instruments he designed) and he revolutionized our understanding of brain function and its relation to the mind

Penfield began his career as a materialist, convinced that the mind was wholly a product of the brain. He finished his career as an emphatic dualist.

During surgery, Penfield observed that patients had a variable but limited response to brain stimulation. Sometimes the stimulation would cause a seizure or evoke a sensation, a perception, movement of muscles, a memory, or even a vivid emotion. Yet Penfield noticed that brain stimulation never evoked abstract thought. He wrote:

There is no area of gray matter, as far as my experience goes, in which local epileptic discharge brings to pass what could be called "mindaction"... there is no valid evidence that either epileptic discharge or electrical stimulation can activate the mind... If one stops to consider it, this is an arresting fact. The record of consciousness can be set in motion, complicated though it is, by the electrode or by epileptic discharge. An illusion of interpretation can be produced in the same way. But none of the actions we attribute to the mind has been initiated by electrode stimulation or epileptic discharge. If there were a mechanism in the brain that could do what the mind does, one might expect that the mechanism would betray its presence in a convincing manner by some better evidence of epileptic or electrode activations.1 [Emphasis added.]

Penfield noted that intellectual function -- abstract thought -- could only be switched off by brain stimulation or a seizure, but it could never be switched on in like manner. The brain was necessary for abstract thought, normally, but it was not sufficient for it. Abstract thought was something other than merely a process of the brain.

Penfield's observations bring to light a perplexing aspect of epilepsy -- or at least an aspect of epilepsy that should be perplexing to materialists. Seizures always involve either complete unconsciousness or specific activation of a non-abstract neurological function -- flashes of light, smells, jerking of muscles, specific memories, strong emotions -- but seizures never evoke discrete abstract thought. This is odd, given that the bulk of brain tissue from which seizures arise is classified as association areas that are thought to sub-serve abstract thought. Why don't epilepsy patients have "calculus seizures" or "moral ethics" seizures, in which they involuntarily take second derivatives or contemplate mercy? The answer is obvious -- the brain does not generate abstract thought. The brain is normally necessary for abstract thought, but not sufficient for it.

Furthermore, Penfield noted that patients were always aware that the sensation, memory, etc., evoked by brain stimulation was done to them, but not by them. Penfield found that patients retained a "third person" perspective on mental events evoked by brain stimulation. There was always a "mind" that was independent of cortical stimulation:

The patient's mind, which is considering the situation in such an aloof and critical manner, can only be something quite apart from neuronal reflex action. It is noteworthy that two streams of consciousness are flowing, the one driven by input from the environment, the other by an electrode delivering sixty pulses per second to the cortex. The fact that there should be no confusion in the conscious state suggests that, although the content of consciousness depends in large measure on neuronal activity, awareness itself does not.2

Penfield finished his career as a passionate dualist. His materialist naiveté did not survive his actual scientific work and his experiences as a clinical neurosurgeon. My own experience as a neurosurgeon has led me to the same conclusion.

Remarkably, scholastic philosophers who worked in the Aristotelian tradition presaged Penfield's observations centuries ago. In the classical Aristotelian-Thomist understanding, the mind is several powers of the soul, which is the subsistent form of the body. "Subsistent" means that the soul informs the body, so to speak, as any form is composed to matter, but that it can exist independently of matter. The reason it can exist independently of matter is that the intellectual powers of the soul -- the ability to contemplate universals and engage in abstract thought -- is necessarily an immaterial power. Universals -- concepts that are not particular things -- by their nature cannot be in particular things, and thus cannot be in matter, even in brain matter.

Thus, the mind, as Penfield understood, can be influenced by matter, but is, in its abstract functions, not generated by matter.

Aristotle, if informed of Penfield's experiments, would have yawned: "Of course the mind is not wholly material. Abstract thought -- contemplation of universals -- is immaterial by its nature, and cannot be generated by the brain." The philosopher would have shrugged, as he concerned himself with other propositions that weren't as obvious. It is remarkable that insights from philosophers in the Aristotelian-Thomist school from millennia ago presage modern discoveries in the neuroscience of the mind-brain relationship with such stunning accuracy.

H/t: Chris Carter, Science and the Near-Death Experience: How Consciousness Survives Death.

References:

(1) Penfield, The Mystery of the Mind, pp. 77-8.

(2) Ibid., p. 55.



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To: Heartlander

Does your question boil down to, “why aren’t flaws in supposed intelligent design more beneficial or useful?”

Maybe you should question your premise.


21 posted on 04/21/2016 3:18:27 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: Heartlander

Has he never read any of Obola’s executive orders?


22 posted on 04/21/2016 7:45:14 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: muir_redwoods

The article made no mention of intelligent design. I suggest you heed your advice…


23 posted on 04/22/2016 8:04:06 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Heartlander

irrespective of the content of the article, is there some other way I can phrase my question so you can answer it?


24 posted on 04/22/2016 8:13:36 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: muir_redwoods
To answer your question, I read many books many articles that question my beliefs – just this morning I was reading The Evolutionary Argument Against Reality

That said, to detect design – the design does not need to be perfect. That would be a false premise. (Microsoft software for example)

25 posted on 04/22/2016 8:28:42 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Heartlander

this was my question. Do you want to answer it?

“Does your question boil down to, “why aren’t flaws in supposed intelligent design more beneficial or useful?”


26 posted on 04/22/2016 9:42:22 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: muir_redwoods
Again, to detect design – the design does not need to be perfect. That would be a false premise. (There are "flaws" in Microsoft software for example - but that does not mean it wasn't designed)

Now, you asked me a question that had absolutely nothing to do with the posted article and I was kind enough to answer. It's not my problem if you don't like the answer.

27 posted on 04/22/2016 9:49:47 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: muir_redwoods

Actually, here is a question to you that actually has something to do with the article - do you believe your conscience and consciousness ultimately emerged from mindlessness?


28 posted on 04/22/2016 9:55:24 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Heartlander

I asked if you wondered why the flaws iwere not beneficial or useful. To date you haven’t addressed that question. I wonder why.


29 posted on 04/22/2016 2:53:19 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: Heartlander

Yes. If the complexity of human consciousness requires a designer, what designed the infinitely more complex designer?


30 posted on 04/22/2016 2:56:15 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: muir_redwoods
As far as flaws in design go - sure I wonder but I also don't think we know all the answers. I answered the question regarding intelligent design as a theory. Intelligent design is merely using observations, hypothesis, and experiments in order to deduce design in nature . For example (to continue with the software paradigm) we know DNA has the following:

1. Functional Information
2. Encoder
3. Error Correction
4. Decoder
How could such a system form randomly without any intelligence, and totally unguided?

What would come first - the encoder, error correction, or the decoder? How and where did the functional information originate?

Furthermore, DNA contains multi-layered information that reads both forward and backwards - DNA stores data more efficiently than anything we've created - and a majority of DNA contains metainformation (information about how to use the information in the context of the related data). The design inference is obvious.

31 posted on 04/22/2016 3:30:42 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: muir_redwoods
Who created the creator does not apply if the creator exists outside of the physical creation. It would be like asking how long it would take to create time? - or how much area it takes to create space? - it does not apply and there also needs to be an ultimate cause (Aristotle's prime mover).

But now if your brain (the mind no longer applies) comes from mindlessness - who gives a crap? Why believe anything or trust your thoughts? - it's just an organ supplied by evolution for survival - like your liver or anus?

32 posted on 04/22/2016 3:49:12 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Heartlander

Who/what then, designed the infinitely more complex designer? Following your logic, no such complex designer could exist without an even more complex designer

And you didn’t answer my question as asked. I helpfully provided it twice and still no direct answer to my specific question.


33 posted on 04/22/2016 3:50:55 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: muir_redwoods

I said - yes I wonder. What more do you want? And no, following my logic does not ‘require’ complex - we don’t know what a non physical conscious reality requires.


34 posted on 04/22/2016 3:57:10 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Heartlander

So, you agree that no order of complexity necessarily requires or indicates a designer, is that correct?


35 posted on 04/22/2016 4:44:09 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: Heartlander

Do you have any support for these thoughts? I see no logic behind what you are saying. At what point did we agree that it is possible to step outside the realm where all of “creation” resides?


36 posted on 04/22/2016 4:46:03 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: muir_redwoods
No - please don't try to interpret my words to fit your dogma anymore. Objective ideas exist outside of nature - such as pythagorean theorem - it does not require the physical if you can imagine it - it is simple - eligant - and universally true.
37 posted on 04/22/2016 4:55:40 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: muir_redwoods
You claim your brain and genome somehow emerged from mindlessness - you are claiming to believe some kind of secular magic.

“Nevertheless you have expressed my inward conviction, though far more vividly and clearly than I could have done, that the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?”
– Charles Darwin

38 posted on 04/22/2016 5:05:06 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: muir_redwoods
Furthermore, how would our Declaration of Independence look without our ‘Creator’?

We hold no truths to be self-evident, that all (men) are evolved based on chance, that they are endowed by a mindless chemical process from a mindless universal algorithm with uncertain inalienable illusions that among these are a delusion of life, and the pursuit of happenstance.

39 posted on 04/22/2016 5:13:16 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: muir_redwoods

You answered no question in this post.


40 posted on 04/22/2016 5:30:24 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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