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14-year-old electrocuted by cellphone while taking a bath
Austin American Statesman ^ | 7/11/17 | Theresa Seiger

Posted on 07/11/2017 8:47:48 AM PDT by Timpanagos1

A 14-year-old Texas girl died Sunday morning after she was electrocuted while using her cellphone in the bathtub, according to family members.

“This is such a tragedy that doesn’t need to happen to anyone else,” Madison Coe’s grandmother, Donna O’Guinn, told KCBD. “We want something good to come out of this as awareness of not using your cellphone in the bathroom as it is plugged in and charging.”

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To: Timpanagos1

Voltage doesn’t kill, amperage does. As little as 200 milli amps across the chest through the heart can do you in.


21 posted on 07/11/2017 9:05:34 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ..)
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To: Timpanagos1

And on another note an example I had to deal with.

My daughters boyfriend thought and argued that it was okay to heat the home by using the gas stove and propane heaters. Believe me it took two arguments to make him understand it is stupid, even in light of the fact the many die every year from exactly that.


22 posted on 07/11/2017 9:07:40 AM PDT by honurider (no one is more indoctrinated then the indoctrinator)
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To: Defiant

Of course.

“She was very smart. Very good student in school”

Needed more physics classes.


23 posted on 07/11/2017 9:08:12 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Blueflag

An extension cord, and no GFCI were the real culprit, but Apple has deeper pockets than the extension cord company.


24 posted on 07/11/2017 9:09:14 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

Sad. She looks to have been a really nice little girl.


25 posted on 07/11/2017 9:09:26 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: Timpanagos1

“That was just very obvious that that’s what had happened.”

Well, no, it’s not obvious what happened. It’s unlikely that this could have happened as described in the article.


26 posted on 07/11/2017 9:09:35 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Timpanagos1
We want something good to come out of this as awareness of not using your cellphone in the bathroom as it is plugged in and charging

And don't walk backwards under a new moon on a Tuesday when the calendar date is an even number!

Look, I'm sorry a young life was cut short but the trend of family members virtue signaling after what can only be described as death by misadventure - or foolishness - must stop. Nobody needs to 'learn' from this since we already knew the dangers of mixing electrical current and water.

27 posted on 07/11/2017 9:11:21 AM PDT by relictele
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To: eastforker
Can someone explain how a charger could electrocute someone?

It is most likely that the "charger" did not electrocute the person. However, the 115 VAC 60 Hz electricity that the charger plugs into will.

28 posted on 07/11/2017 9:13:12 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: eastforker

Remember when chargers used to be fat heavy things instead of the nearly weightless things they are now? That’s because they used transformers to reduce the voltage from 120VAC (which can kill you) to 12 or so volts DC which cannot. The transformer also provided galvanic isolation, which means the thing being charged was totally disconnected electrically from the AC wiring. These chargers have virtually been eliminated because of the “green” push because each transformer draws a tiny amount of current as long as it’s plugged in, which of course “adds up” to something less than what Algore burns in one of his private jet trips, but that’s beside the point. We needed laws to protect us from wasting energy and by damn, we got them.

Modern chargers use switchmode technology which does not provide the same degree of isolation or intrinsic voltage reduction. They are considered “safe” by virtue of putting all the nasty stuff inside plastic where you can’t touch it, and depending on people to plug them into the wall as intended. If you use an extension cord that could allow the AC line to contact the bathwater, all bets are off with either type of charger.


29 posted on 07/11/2017 9:13:52 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: MeganC

“Sad. She looks to have been a really nice little girl.”

She lived in Lubbock.

Most people that live in Lubbock want a take a 400 amp arc welder in the bathtub with them it they thought it would get then out of Lubbock.


30 posted on 07/11/2017 9:16:02 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: PGR88

[ What we need is a LAW - ban all cellphone use in bathtubs.

Yes, good progressive legislators should confront this very important issue.

/s ]

Isn’t it funny that progressives always whine that we have too many people, but it seems they do what ever it takes to make sure they keep an abundance of stupid people from “darwining” themselves out of the gene pool.

I am beginning to think that they think we have “too many” smart people... Because they can control the idiots and morons, but they cannot fool the smart people.

So next time the Progressives tell you that we have “too many people” know that they actually mean to say that we have “too many smart people” who won’t fall for their Bull crap.


31 posted on 07/11/2017 9:18:20 AM PDT by GraceG ("It's better to have all the Right Enemies, than it is to have all the Wrong Friends.")
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To: Lmo56; All

Completely correct:

https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~p616/safety/fatal_current.html

It’s The Current That Kills. Any electrical device used on a house wiring circuit can, under certain conditions, transmit a fatal current. While any amount of current over 10 milliamps (0.01 amp) is capable of producing painful to severe shock, currents between 100 and 200 mA (0.1 to 0.2 amp) are lethal.


32 posted on 07/11/2017 9:18:21 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Timpanagos1

ban baths and bathtubs


When bathtubs are outlawed only outlaws will take baths.


33 posted on 07/11/2017 9:19:38 AM PDT by samtheman (The Germans -- having failed twice -- have finally hit on a way to destroy Europe.)
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To: Defiant

I knew once one got beyond the sensational headline that of course she wasn’t killed by her cellphone. She was killed by the live electrical cord attached to her cellphone. So really, not much different than someone dropping a hair blow dryer in a bathtub, except that such a headline would not get as many clicks.


34 posted on 07/11/2017 9:20:45 AM PDT by Obadiah (Global warming caused Hillary to lose the election.)
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To: bigbob

“Needed more physics classes.”

Needless to say, her background in physics was not well grounded.


35 posted on 07/11/2017 9:21:32 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
My charger draws .2 amps.

Enough to kill. 100 to 200 milliamps (0.1 to 0.2 amps) will cause ventricular fibrillation, which can cause death.

https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~p616/safety/fatal_current.html.

Surprisingly, above 200 milliamps may actually save your life.

36 posted on 07/11/2017 9:21:45 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: Timpanagos1
“We want something good to come out of this as awareness of not using your cellphone in the bathroom as it is plugged in and charging.”

That's a minimum. How about every bathroom must have GFCI receptacles or GFCI breaker?

GFCI receptacles can even work without grounded outlets for old wiring.

Somewhere I read that 70% of all electrocutions could be prevented with retrofit of GFCIs in older homes that were pre-NEC.

The breakers likewise are easy to install and can cover entire wet location circuits.

Tragic and totally preventable.
37 posted on 07/11/2017 9:21:49 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media and Shariah Socialism.)
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To: Timpanagos1

Common sense lessons:
1. Teach your kids about the hazards of electricity and water. Then teach them again. And again.
2. Make sure all electrical outlets in bathrooms, kitchens, outdoors, and any other wet locations are GFCI protected. They are cheap and easy to install.


38 posted on 07/11/2017 9:22:31 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: eastforker
"Can someone explain how a charger could electrocute someone?"

If everything works as designed it shouldn't cause a problem. But a wiring error or manufacturing defect might allow the 120 volt "hot" wire to float on the charger output. In such a case the problem could go unnoticed in a dry environment where there is no path to ground. But in the bathtub — zap!

39 posted on 07/11/2017 9:22:50 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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To: honurider

Definitely sounds like Grade A Son in Law material.


40 posted on 07/11/2017 9:24:54 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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