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I'm not looking for speculation--I'm doing enough of my own--nor for snide comments about police. Who knows and can report what actually occurred?
1 posted on 10/02/2017 4:02:52 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6
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To: Hebrews 11:6

You would make a fine SJW. Look for blame. Lash out. You got it going on.


2 posted on 10/02/2017 4:05:01 PM PDT by Autonomous User (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

I haven’t heard the response time.

The shooter smashed out a window. I noticed 2 smashed windows (in non-contiguous rooms). That should’ve made it easy to identify where it was coming from.

They set off a detonation to open the door. Since the hotel could provide the passkey I am assuming he used the deadbolt lock. Don’t know how long it took to get a demolition crew up there.

Shooter killed himself. Allegedly he shot himself as they were approaching (viewed their approach on cameras he’d placed in the hall).


3 posted on 10/02/2017 4:06:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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Did they know how many people were in the room? On the hotel floor? It was difficult to assess the situation from the ground, but over an hour seems way too long.


4 posted on 10/02/2017 4:06:41 PM PDT by madison10 (Praying for President Trump and more wisdom for him)
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I was under the impression that the shooting only lasted 10 minutes.


5 posted on 10/02/2017 4:07:34 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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Police are very cautious on their approaches now. The officers at the Boston bombing shot up a boat and waited an hour before approaching it. When Charles Whitmore shot from the University of Texas tower, I believe it was only two officers who stormed the observation deck. Different attitudes, different methods.


8 posted on 10/02/2017 4:11:03 PM PDT by rey
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I, too, would like to here LEO’s reasons for the 72 minute response time.


9 posted on 10/02/2017 4:12:47 PM PDT by BusterDog
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You are way off.

Response time was total 20 minutes at most from first shots.


11 posted on 10/02/2017 4:14:52 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Plainclothes police and hotel security tried to force the door.

Shooter fired thru door, wounded one security guard.

They were told to back off and wait for SWAT - who was on the way up.

They had 5 floors to clear.

The guy may have killed himself after first contact with police...

No cameras found in hallway, so that (and so much else) is so much internet BS.
Having the full story can often times remove the mystery you voiced. Patience and minimal research helps....

12 posted on 10/02/2017 4:15:05 PM PDT by ASOC (If you're forced to give a man a fish, he eats one day. Deport him and you'll never feed him again.)
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The elevators in Mandalay are challenging too. There are multiple that only reach certain floors and they’re slow as hell. It’s likely they lost 10-12 minutes figuring out how to get to the room and getting up there. Do we know if they got snipers in place to stop the shooting within that time period? If so, they may have taken their time to get up there to secure exits, clear public, etc.


13 posted on 10/02/2017 4:15:20 PM PDT by conservativereports
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If it had been a terrorist group, they would have explosives rigged to greet a SWAT Team at the front door.

I saw the “72 minute” headline on Drudge.

Very hard to believe that.

The Police could have had suppression fire on those two 32nd floor windows in less than 10 minutes - unless they feared killing innocent guests in nearby rooms.

14 posted on 10/02/2017 4:15:34 PM PDT by zeestephen
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Bump


15 posted on 10/02/2017 4:16:26 PM PDT by foreverfree
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The Orlando PD were also rather slow to stop the Pulse massacre.


20 posted on 10/02/2017 4:19:11 PM PDT by Gideon7
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Why is “LEO” used so often these days? I call them “cops.”


22 posted on 10/02/2017 4:19:19 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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Agreed. Over one hour of sustained fire from the same location has to be explained.


23 posted on 10/02/2017 4:19:41 PM PDT by ameribbean expat (Veritas Vincit)
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How does it take 72 MINUTES to crash that shooter's door???

How long does it take you to run to your refrigerator and grab a beer from your armchair Mr. Quarterback?

26 posted on 10/02/2017 4:25:18 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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What am I missing?

Either a kitten or a brain........

28 posted on 10/02/2017 4:26:29 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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When the police got to the floor they found a security guard who had been wounded when the shooter fired down the hall. Might have made them hesitate until they got a team with proper protection in place. Still shouldn't have been 72 minutes, if that is accurate.

Even back when Columbine happened (1999), the police were hesitant to just charge in.

34 posted on 10/02/2017 4:34:50 PM PDT by wideminded
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Having spent years as a chief engineer of a hotel, either a passkey or a master key card for electric locks will open the deadbolt instantly. Simple as that...


38 posted on 10/02/2017 4:36:25 PM PDT by W. (Trump: America's Churchill!)
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Same with Columbine, actually muuuuch worse.

It was HOURS the SWAT team was waiting outside.

Victims were audibly calling out that they were bleeding to death, etc.

The level of SWAT excuse-making at Columbine was....epic.

“Water coming down from sprinklers that had been set-off, blinking visual alarms also made for a confusing situation, the perimeter was not yet secured....a bazillion other ones, too.”

VERY many people died at Columbine while the macho SWAT team cowered and wet their collective pants.


46 posted on 10/02/2017 4:45:26 PM PDT by gaijin
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Well...The police union has to certify the response plans to insure that safety, diversity, and media wage and gender of the responding officers meet with it's approval.

Then, as in every other mass shooting of the past few decades, there is the over-riding issue of finding spines stiff enough...

IMHO, 72-minutes would be a significant improvement over past school-shooting responses.

47 posted on 10/02/2017 4:45:57 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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