Here's What First Baptist Dallas Pastor Robert Jeffress Actually Said About Catholics

Agreed

The Corps is very different now - better weapons, better tactics, better quality of young people.

Perhaps; but do they take certified crazies like the Army seems to have stepped on it's; ahem; over?

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In a very sad sense, you are refuting yourself. Being a disciple of Christ is joyous, not grim and unhappy.

What is said is your ignoring the substance of what i said and your recourse to ad hominem in lieu of a actual argument for your poverty of position, and which wrong assumes that those who are grieved by false doctrines on salvation and worship must lack joy and are just grim and unhappy and lost (missing the direct connection), which by implication would include the often-reproving Lord, and the prophets He affirmed. As well as joyous evangelical who yet are grieved by their own sins and that of the church and the world, and expressed it.

But what is reproved is a liberal happy face glee club Christianity that embraces disparate minimalist professors of Christ, a unholy "big tent" admixture.

Why not name a few of the faith groups that you include and those you would exclude from your ministerial association.

In your crusade to eliminate all "incorrect doctrine"

Which is typical desperate misrepresentation. I never exampled or defended a crusade to eliminate all "incorrect doctrine," but refereed to salvific and substantial false teaching, which are Scriptural objects of reproof, while affirming effective evangelical unity of the Spirit due to esteem of Truth (and a shared conversion).

You need to slow down on the intensity and enjoy the gifts of our faith.

Actually we have plenty to praise the Lord for and do so, if not enough, but rather than vainly resorting to ad hominem and psychology, why not just admit you have no real Scriptural argument for your position that reproves those who contend against erroneous salvific and substantial doctrines in order that souls may realize the greatest gift Our Lord gave us when he came here to reveal to us the direct connection that we have to the Father. Most Caths here seem to want to send us to their demi-goddess Mary the most, in contrast to the holy Spirit-filled Mary who, as in all other 200+ prayers by believers , prayed directly to the Lord. .

Whew! Back in Post #160 I mentioned:

"There’s going to be a lot of Bible study in Heaven, and I want to be prepared."

I guess I was not aware of how little you know of this issue. Apparently you have not received instruction in this area of apprehending what our Heavenly occupation will be, and how much of our current preparation should be directed toward it. Perhaps it would be a good idea to reserve your opinion on it for a while.

If you wish, that lack of information can be rectified, if you are willing. But even your Post #197 here must be dealt with in segments, and will take some time. Segment 1:

You said . . .:

"Any picture that I'd have would be wrong; if the Scripture is true."

. . . and quoted 1 Corinthians 2:19 from the NIV in support of that statement, . . .

"However, as it is written: 'What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived'- the things God has prepared for those who love him-"

I take it that you meant that living Christians could not or cannot have any inkling of what their celestial future holds. But reviewing a better citation from the KJV:

1 Corinthians 2:9 (AV): "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

Thr trouble is that your personal application of the import of this verse is absolutely contrary to the context and purpose of that whole chapter. Even the next verse contradicts the sense of your "logic" (?):

1 Corinthians 2:10 (AV):

"But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God."

Elsie, this example demonstrates the inherent weakness of your NIV, which is not a translation of the Holy Text (as is the AV), but rather an interpretation that taints it with human opinions of what the original writings convey. And in this case, it is brazenly wrong, for it substitutes the words "mind" and "conceive," replacing the words from the Greek "heart" and "enter into," apparently leading you to an erroneous conclusion. (The grammar of the verse also departs from that of the Greek, cousing some other misconceptions for the unwary reader.)

This is just a glimpse into one of the holes in your Biblical education. You are at the point where you ought to discard the NIV as your source of quotations.

Furthermore, it is helpful and proper to use good manners in quoting Scripture by indicating the source version, so others can take that into account and not have to sort through the various Bible sites to find out which one you used.

I'm not preoccupied with finding fault, just answering your supposition and suggesting the reason for its inadequacy. I know you can do better, given the right tools and doctrinal footing.

I am not "back I recieved a message that one of the usual suspects had said something stupid and she needed to be corrected.

The mind is where one conceives.

The heart is where one believes.

Only about 18 inches separate the two doors:
one to Hell, and the other to Heaven.

I take it that you meant that ...

Did I pontificate?

I merely posted some scripture.

Folks can figger it out what it means on their own.

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Still waiting for the Scripture that states that God hates sinners.
Romans 9:13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Proverbs 16-19
16 There are six things the LORD hates, yes, seven are an abomination to him;
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
18A heart that plots wicked schemes, feet that are quick to run to evil,
19The false witness who utters lies, and the one who sows discord among kindred.
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and thereforeI have abhorred them."
Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

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I am a Catholic, former Baptist.

How does that happen?

1 Corinthians 2:10 (AV):

"But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God."

Revealed WHAT??

1 Corinthians 2 King James Version (KJV)

1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

²For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

³And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

⁴And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

⁵That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

⁶Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

⁷But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

⁸Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

⁹But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

¹⁰But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

¹¹For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

¹²Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

¹³Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

¹⁴But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

¹⁵But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

¹⁶For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

I'm not quite sure of what your superior translation is trying to say here that is so much better than what the NIV says?

¹⁰But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. KJV

1 Corinthians 2:10 ¹⁰these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. NIV

Revealed WHAT??

One of the deep things revealed by the Spirit in the scripture testimony at least by the time the New Testament writing was finished, as to whether there is going to be Bible study in Heaven or not (which is the issue under consideration).

As I said before, improving your education on this will take some time and effort. But good that you ask questions.

dude...you’re back? thought you had quit FR. still playing chess with those pigeons?

Good luck with the Hebrew. I’m finishing my formal Greek studies and want to start with Hebrew. That will be a self study.

I am not "back I recieved a message that one of the usual suspects had said something stupid and she needed to be corrected.

And I see you haven't changed. btw...it's still considered a courtesy to ping someone you're talking about. I call it the salvation rule.

A message, eh?

Some Catholic is calling in the posse?

Needed reinforcements cause he or she couldn’t handle the heat themselves?

I'm just a novice, but I keep working at it with my Trinitarian Society, and e-Sword, and Vine/Machen/Mounce/Wallace Grammars. Plus my property line is shared with the little Beth Emeth cemetery where all the gravestones have the person's true Hebrew name inscribed. A good place to walk. But not enough time.

Work hard, eh? I love to read the Greek. I know it will be our future to have these Holy Ghost languages the very fiber of our existence in Heaven. Too bad we couldn't have learned it as infants.

I’ll pray for you, Buddy.

I'm not quite sure of what your superior translation is trying to say here that is so much better than what the NIV says?

Stop. There are two issues to deal with here, and they are as follows:

Issue 1: I thought you were using verse 9 to suggest that Christians in this life cannot know in advance some of the features of their activity in the afterlife, thus contesting my assertion that Study of the Scriptures will be a necessary activity in Heaven. Verse 10, AV or NIV, equivalently sums up the thrust of the chapter's context, which contrasts the spiritually mature man's knowledge of Godly matters versus the ignorance of the natural (soulish) man. Particularly, verse 10 negates the agnostic's view that humans in this life cannot know what will go on in heaven.

Issue 2: Examining the rendering of verse 9 by the NIV, I called into question its accuracy and its theology. First, it is a poor translation in that it supplies words not within the scope of the meaning of the Koine words it ought to be translating to the same meaning in English, and a grammatical structure not following the Koine sense. These are translational errors. Furthermore, the NIV's words and grammatical structure give an interpretation (which should not be the translator's task) that is inconsistent and contrary to the theology of the KJV's accurate translation of Verse 9. Verse 10 does not enter into settling this issue, only Verse 9, for which the KJV/AV rendering is far superior to the NIV's distortion of it.

In actuality, though for verse 10 the NIV supplies words not found in the Greek nor necessary to it (a translational no-no), the meaning is literally equivalent to that of the AV and the Greek for that verse. So pointing to that is a distraction from both of the above central considerations.

Exposition of the topic "Heavenly Bible study" is much more interesting to me. Let there be light, not just more heat, eh?

Needed reinforcements cause he or she couldn’t handle the heat themselves?

As did you just now. It is cute when you are hypocritical.

But as usual you did not address the issue, that being "God Hating sinners".

Here is further evidence for you.

Exodus 32 7 d Then the LORD said to Moses: Go down at once because your people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt, have acted corruptly. 8 They have quickly turned aside from the way I commanded them, making for themselves a molten calf and bowing down to it, sacrificing to it and crying out, “These are your gods, Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!” 9 e I have seen this people, how stiff-necked they are, continued the LORD to Moses. 10 Let me alone, then, that my anger may burn against them to consume them. Then I will make of you a great nation.

Later in the same chapter

26 Moses stood at the gate of the camp and shouted, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” All the Levitesl then rallied to him, 27 and he told them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: Each of you put your sword on your hip! Go back and forth through the camp, from gate to gate, and kill your brothers, your friends, your neighbors!” 28 The Levites did as Moses had commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people fell.

3000 SINNERS

Sodom and Gomorrah

Ezekiel 16 49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So f I removed them, when I saw it.

The great flood

Genesis 6: 5 When the LORD saw how great the wickedness of human beings was on earth, and how every desire that their heart conceived was always nothing but evil, 6 the LORD regretted making human beings on the earth, and his heart was grieved. 7 So the LORD said: I will wipe out from the earth the human beings I have created, and not only the human beings, but also the animals and the crawling things and the birds of the air, for I regret that I made them

11 But the earth was corrupt in the view of God and full of lawlessness 12 When God saw how corrupt the earth had become, since all mortals had corrupted their ways on earth, 13 God said to Noah: I see that the end of all mortals has come, for the earth is full of lawlessness because of them. So I am going to destroy them with the earth.

So we see God hating Esau, an individual, wiping out 3000 sinning idol worshipers. We also see the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, destroyed because of their sin, and the entire population of the world except for 8 people wiped out due to sin.

How about the genocide that Joshua was ordered to commit when entering the promised land

Deuteronomy 20: 16: But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17: but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Per'izzites, the Hivites and the Jeb'usites, as the LORD your God has commanded; 18: that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the LORD your God.

I hope that this has cleared things up for you, or at least for the people that mistakenly believe your erroneous private interpretations.

In actuality, though for verse 10 the NIV supplies words not found in the Greek nor necessary to it (a translational no-no),

I'm glad the KJV doesn't do this.

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