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How many Founding Fathers were themselves held in slavery?
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Posted on 12/22/2017 4:29:25 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica

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To: ProgressingAmerica

Slavery in north america was here long before the first African tribal members arrived. A number of the American Indians practiced a form of slavery with captured warring tribe opponents. The Iroquois were horrible in treatment and would cut off the foot of their captives who worked for them so they couldn’t run.

More than one tribe forced the male captures into marrying the wives of the slain and any children from the bond were considered tribe while the captured remained a slave to work for the wife and the tribe.

The Comanche were the most brutal as they would take captives, make them slaves, and dispose of them by eating them when times got tough. They tortured their slaves and then would try to sell them back to the families in trade for some of their own after disfiguring them.

So slavery isn’t just a European thing. It’s world wide and has been going for well before the time of Christ.

rwood


21 posted on 12/22/2017 5:45:09 PM PST by Redwood71
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To: ProgressingAmerica

In truth, indentured slavery was probably worse. There was an incentive to keep a slave alive to continue to be productive, but there was no incentive for keeping an indentured servant alive past his sentence and there was no repercussions if they died at any point before their sentence was finished. A soulless enslaver would want to ensure he squeezed maximum value during those indentured years.

Add to that, even if the person would live to the end of his sentence, he was responsible for his own boat rise home, which means most died on the islands they ended up on.


22 posted on 12/22/2017 5:54:55 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: PIF

A believing slave girl is better than an idolatress:
Quran 2:221


23 posted on 12/22/2017 5:55:44 PM PST by Bookshelf
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To: ProgressingAmerica

There is a distinction that needs to be made. There were different types of indentured servitude. Some were voluntary, usually second sons of merchants, even minor nobility. Due to primogeniture laws, only the firstborn son inherited the estate, leaving the second born and so on largely to their own devices. Many elected to enter voluntarily into indentured servitude, known colloquially as “apprenticing out.” Usually they had some skill or were regarded as trainable, many had their way paid over to North America by plantation owners who basically recruited them. That’s how many a wealthy tobacco dynasty got started.

Some forms of involuntary indentured servitude were regarded as a kindness, as in the instance of orphans who were indentured to some prominent member of the community who would see to it that the orphan child was educated to the best of his ability and taught at least a trade in order to support themselves in adulthood.

Then, there was plain old involuntary indentured servitude of the kind everyone thinks about when the subject arises. Petty criminals, politically inconvenient people, etc. were sentenced to be “transported.” Many went to penal colonies, for instance early colonial Georgia was a penal colony. So was all of Australia.

Later on, by 1670 or so, there weren’t enough laborers being transported so they resorted to kidnapping. That was toward the end of the so-called “headrights system” in the North American colonies. These individuals were treated brutally, worked literally to death oftentimes, because as previously noted on this thread, they were worth more alive than dead due to their headrights, which were land grants upon completion of the term of indenture, which reverted to the plantation owner upon the death of an indentured servant.


24 posted on 12/22/2017 6:01:12 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: marron

... or Muslims


25 posted on 12/22/2017 6:01:54 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: marron
Still quite active among muslims. Every once and a while it even comes up in this country.

Slavery is an unabridged, and a yet contemporaneous part of mohamhead's foul book.

26 posted on 12/22/2017 6:02:13 PM PST by onedoug
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To: RegulatorCountry

... worth more dead than alive, I should have written.


27 posted on 12/22/2017 6:03:34 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: shibumi
As long as Islam exists, slavery will exist.

Something conveniently forgotten by America’s race pimps, the NOI and the Democrat Party.

They haven't forgotten it at all.

28 posted on 12/22/2017 6:07:43 PM PST by onedoug
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To: marron

Still practiced in Haiti.


29 posted on 12/22/2017 6:09:36 PM PST by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go. Dump McConnman, too.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

One branch of my family had slaves. I only found out about it when my grandmother died at 104, she had an obituary of a black lady in her scrapbook, who I had never heard a word about. When I asked my Dad, he said she was a nanny that helped raise my grandmother, and was a freed slave who stayed on at the farm. My grandmother held her in great esteem and loved her.

Damn, I guess that means I owe somebody reparations


30 posted on 12/22/2017 6:09:44 PM PST by nobamanomore
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To: marron
We know when slavery was...abolished by the North Americans.

Really. Massachusetts was the first slave holding state. Their legislature didn't pass laws to abolish slavery.

Massachusetts didn't want to free their slaves. They were afraid that they were going to be stuck taking care of any freed slaves. So they required any Massachusetts slave owner to post a bond if he wanted to free his slave. If that slave could not support him/herslf the previous owner had to pay for the support.The MA courts gave limited rights to slaves but they didn't pass laws until the 20th century to outlaw slavery.

It's late and I can't give you dates right now. But MA and the north pretend to be holier than though when it comes to slavery. They are t least as dirty or dirtier than thou.

31 posted on 12/22/2017 6:11:17 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: heterosupremacist

It’s banned in several Arab countries.


32 posted on 12/22/2017 6:24:14 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I read some time ago that about 60% of indentured servants never reached the age of emancipation. Maybe it’s less. But in the same time period, the black slave population grew from 300,000 (ban on slave ships) to 4 million (pre-Civil War). Illegitimate children born to indentured women (usually a result of rape by their master) were “sold south” into 21 years of slavery - if they lived that long. The suicide rate of indentured females is talked about, but the reason - terror of being sold along with their children into brothels to die of violence or disease - raped doubly of their dignity and the dream of a normal life - is politely swept under the parlor carpets.

England was the first to ‘ban’ slavery but they continued on for a hundred more years establishing or reinforcing existing class-distinct empires that eventually revolted.

America was the second to ban slavery but America was and remains the first to demand inalienable rights regardless of class. It took a Revolutionary War, a Civil War, a Womens’ Movement and a Civil Rights movement to forge deep and permanent roots over existing world trends, but without what were at times a heartbreaking price to pay, would we be the nation we are today? For over 100 years, women and youth have rights and freedoms in America that are the envy of the world.

We have, indeed, come a long way, baby. No country ever recorded has matured in so short a historical timeperiod. And that is just one more thing makes America special.


33 posted on 12/22/2017 6:46:47 PM PST by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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34 posted on 12/22/2017 6:55:38 PM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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To: waynesa98
Previous to that a slave ship sailed up the Chesapeake, with a load of slaves. The Africans were freed and the crew imprisoned.

Do you have a source for this? I'd like to read about it.

35 posted on 12/22/2017 7:03:26 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Are you aware that the first person sold into slavery in this country was an indentured servant who convinced the courts to turn him into a life long slave?

And are you aware that the first slave owner in this country was black and he enslaved that indentured servant?


36 posted on 12/22/2017 7:19:22 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: marron

Mexico abolished slavery in 1829, yet, forty five years later, slave raiders from Mexico were still raiding the Indian tribes of the USA for tribesmen to sell as slaves, IN MEXICO.


37 posted on 12/22/2017 7:48:36 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: crz
"in the UK they cleared the streets and poor houses and sent them to the new world as slaves in about 1660 or so."

That is how my Mom's family got here. Some of them ran away to live with the Indians up in the mountains.

38 posted on 12/22/2017 7:56:02 PM PST by fella ("As it wshas before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: ProgressingAmerica

bump


39 posted on 12/22/2017 8:05:26 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

One of the reasons for the Revolution was that the King would not allow the colonists to abolish slavery.


40 posted on 12/22/2017 8:45:22 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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