Posted on 02/13/2018 6:12:01 AM PST by Bull Snipe
I see you’re still here and still asking stupid baiting questions.
And if you ask most people, they will believe that whites got off ships in Africa, ran into the jungle and captured slaves to bring back.
Their minds would melt down if they knew that blacks captured black slaves, sold them to Arab Muslim slavers who then sold them off. The vast majority of slaves went EAST, of the slaves that went west, about 90% went to central and south America.
It’s scary to think how many people think this way. I don’t remember the teachers clearly stating the Democrats were in favor of slavery. Just that it was people in the south.
Actually, the issue was to limit the number of representatives in Congress. The Abolitionists did not want to go on record as stating that a person was property. So they had to count them somehow. The 3/5 was a compromise that allowed both sides to save face.
To think about it, our founding fathers were able to compromise about friggin’ slavery, but today’s Congress cannot agree on the color of the sky.
Tells you something about the times we live in.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
BINGO - Bull’s eye - Right on the money. Thank you.
Libs will do anything, slant any view, change any definition, to become victims who demand you give them something - respect, advantage, etc.
We all need to figure out the real “why” behind things and not accept the liberal “why’s”.
I sleep fine. But at the risk of popping a whole in your revisionist bubble, let me show you what I mean:
"African slavery is the cornerstone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence. Strike down the institution of African slavery and you reduce the South to depoulation and barbarism." - South Carolina Congressman Lawrence Keitt, 1860
"Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it." - Lawrence Keitt
"The triumphs of Christianity rest this very hour upon slavery; and slavery depends on the triumphs of the South... This war is the servant of slavery." - Rev John Wrightman, South Carolina, 1861.
"What did we go to war for, if not to protect our [slave] property?" - CSA senator from Virgina, Robert Hunter, 1865
"I am not ashamed of having fought on the side of slavery—a soldier fights for his country—right or wrong—he is not responsible for the political merits of the course he fights in ... The South was my country." - John Singleton Mosby
"The South had always been solid for slavery and when the quarrel about it resulted in a conflict of arms, those who had approved the policy of disunion took the pro-slavery side. It was perfectly logical to fight for slavery, if it was right to own slaves." - John S. Mosby
"We have dissolved the Union chiefly because of the negro quarrel. Now, is there any man who wished to reproduce that strife among ourselves? And yet does not he, who wished the slave trade left for the action of Congress, see that he proposed to open a Pandora's box among us and to cause our political arena again to resound with this discussion. Had we left the question unsettled, we should, in my opinion, have sown broadcast the seeds of discord and death in our Constitution. I congratulate the country that the strife has been put to rest forever, and that American slavery is to stand before the world as it is, and on its own merits. We have now placed our domestic institution, and secured its rights unmistakably, in the Constitution; we have sought by no euphony to hide its name - we have called our negroes "slaves," and we have recognized and protected them as persons and our rights to them as property." - Alabama Congressman Robert H. Smith
"In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery, the greatest material interest of the world." --Mississppi Declaration of the Causes of Secession
"This was the ground taken, gentlemen, not only by Mississippi, but by other slaveholding States, in view of the then threatened purpose, of a party founded upon the idea of unrelenting and eternal hostility to the institution of slavery, to take possession of the power of the Government and use it to our destruction. It cannot, therefore, be pretended that the Northern people did not have ample warning of the disastrous and fatal consequences that would follow the success of that party in the election, and impartial history will emblazon it to future generations, that it was their folly, their recklessness and their ambition, not ours, which shattered into pieces this great confederated Government, and destroyed this great temple of constitutional liberty which their ancestors and ours erected, in the hope that their descendants might together worship beneath its roof as long as time should last." -- Speech of Fulton Anderson to the Virginia Convention
"Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time." -- Texas Declaration of the causes of secession
"What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery." -- Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Secession Convention
"Gentlemen, I see before me men who have observed all the records of human life, and many, perhaps, who have been chief actors in many of its gravest scenes, and I ask such men if in all their lore of human society they can offer an example like this? South Carolina has 300,000 whites, and 400,000 slaves. These 300,000 whites depend for their whole system of civilization on these 400,000 slaves. Twenty millions of people, with one of the strongest Governments on the face of the earth, decree the extermination of these 400,000 slaves, and then ask, is honor, is interest, is liberty, is right, is justice, is life, worth the struggle?
Gentlemen, I have thus very rapidly endeavored to group before you the causes which have produced the action of the people of South Carolina." -- Speech of John Preston to the Virginia Secession Convention
"This new union with Lincoln Black Republicans and free negroes, without slavery, or, slavery under our old constitutional bond of union, without Lincoln Black Republicans, or free negroes either, to molest us.
If we take the former, then submission to negro equality is our fate. if the latter, then secession is inevitable." -- Address of William L. Harris of Mississippi
"History affords no example of a people who changed their government for more just or substantial reasons. Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity." -- Address of George Williamson, Commissioner from Louisiana to the Texas Secession Convention
Your turn. Quotes please.
Ya, I’ve seen all that before. It’s like when a liberal just parrots what they see on the main stream media.
I’d love to carry on, but unfortunately, time does not permit.
Not until two years into the war.
Check my reply 47. It was a lot earlier than that.
You can argue it any way you want to, but the South wanted them counted one for one. You can call it an advantage if you like, but they gave up 40% of the slave population for counting Congressional representation. Without this provision, the U.S. Constitution would not have been ratified.
Last week, a school in Leander, TX (Austin) had students draw a picture of themselves as a slave.
http://kxan.com/2018/02/12/leander-parent-objects-to-daughter-12-drawing-slave-picture-of-self/
Are you calling all those southerners parrots?
Which still gave them hundreds of thousands of additional headcount used to allocate them congressmen that they really didn't deserve.
Without this provision, the U.S. Constitution would not have been ratified.
True. It could have been worse. But the original claim was that the 3/5ths compromise limited the South. The opposite is true. It gave the South an advantage in allocating congressmen. Not as much of an advantage as they wanted but far more than they should have had.
Oh boy, you’ve done it now. You’ll join me as the “Lost cause loser” LOL...
Before you read this, I’m not aiming at you two specifically. I just took one poster from either side...
The “advantage” or “disadvantage” of the South was two sides of the same coin. Some call a coin landing with the portrait side up “heads”, and are correct. Those who say the coin is a “tails-down”, are correct as well.
The problem is when the “tails down” crowd screams and yells that the “heads” crowd is absolutely WRONG - sounds like what folks are doing on this thread.
That’s a bad habit, and one reason we can’t have civil discussions in this country (and often on FR) any more.
And, by the way - if anyone claims that every single person on either side was agreed on why their side was fighting the Civil War, they are full of it. The only quotes you can find on EITHER side were people of note, so you know what THEY thought. You don’t know what the poor farmers on the family farms without slaves said. Some of them fought, some of them didn’t.
People fought, or didn’t fight, for different reasons. “Oh, I never said States’ Rights/Slavery was the only reason.” Yeah, you did, check your posts. Pretty much that’s the way these threads go.
Were you aware that before the negotiations for the 3/5ths Compromise there was another similar fight?
In the days before the adoption of the US Constitution taxation was (at least in part) apportioned by population counts. The first census counts were made for purposes of identifying what jurisdictions would pay what.
The southern slave-holding states didn’t want their chattel property counted as people because it would raise their taxes. Northerners wanted them counted in full. A 3/5ths compromise was reached but never enacted.
Sound familiar?
“The elimination of slavery was not part of the North’s reason for fighting the war the South had begun.”
If what you say is true, we can forever dismiss the notion that the north was fighting to “free the slaves.”
But fight the north did (killing over 600,000 Americans) and for a very important reason: they thought it was in their own best economic and political self interest.
Pretty much.
But fight the north did (killing over 600,000 Americans) and for a very important reason: they thought it was in their own best economic and political self interest.
And fight the South did (killing over 600,000 Americans) and for a very questionable reason: defense of their institution of slavery which they saw as threatened by the Republican election. So are you saying their cause is the better of the two?
If you go back and look, women were a type of property until the time they could own land.
If you look at US state constitutions NOW, citizens are described as chattels. AKA property.
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