New study finds: Ancient Mycenaean civilization might have collapsed due to uprising or invasion

TornosNews.gr ^ | April 10, 2018 | unattributed

[ClearCase_guy]

Same thing. Virtually all historians are Leftists. This is just what they do in all the fields they dominate.

[SunkenCiv]

About the same size as previously believed, but 23,000 years ago, instead of 3400, 3500, or 3700 years ago.

[SunkenCiv]

There was no super volcano explosion of There/Sandtorini, but that example can work as a sh*t passing for science these days.

[SunkenCiv]

Nah. And the alleged calibration of the RC dating, via dendrochronology, pushed the alleged eruption back almost a century, which means the supposedly super-duper eruption happened nearly two centuries before the Palatial period ended -- hard to explain if the eruption was so danged devastating. You should see some of the gymnastics people engage in to try to bail it out, even without the calibration. In fact, stick around this topic, you'll probably see some.

[Red Badger]

I’ve seen biblical explanations that the volcano was responsible for some of the plagues of Egypt...................

[SunkenCiv]

(KJV) In Genesis 10:14 the Philistim (presumably Philistines) are said to come from Casluhim, or possibly Pathrusim and Casluhim; in Deuteronomy 2:23 "the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor" destroyed Avims of Hazerim; in Jeremiah 47:4 the Philistines are described as "the remnant of the country of Caphtor"; in Amos 9:7 has "the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir".

Caphtor was Cyprus (and not Crete, as is so often claimed). Besides the similarity of the name, if Cyprus is not Caphtor, there is no Biblical reference to Cyprus, which is implausible, to say the least. In Egyptian texts, Cyprus/Caphtor is Keftiu (note the similarity), but again, some claim Keftiu was Crete.

[SunkenCiv]

Yet, the Sea Peoples left no characteristic pottery, no geographic traces, no towns, no tombs, no distinctive burials, no characteristic armor, no characteristic weapons, no identifiable rulers (including conquerors of the lands they supposedly conquered) or king-lists, no written records in their own right, no coins, no homeland, and perhaps most significantly, no wrecks -- the last one being pretty damned peculiar for a massive group of seagoing conquerors. :')

The Sea Peoples are a modern invention, used to wave away problems created by continued uncritical acceptance of the conventional pseudochronology.

There are two references to them in Egyptian contemporary records, which are misdated by centuries anyway. There are otherwise no ancient references to them anywhere.

[SunkenCiv]

Quibble -- what you've seen are volcanic explanations for the Old Testament's Plagues of Egypt. :^) Pillar of smoke by day, pillar of fire by night -- and alas, no recent enough volcano can be found anywhere in the Sinai or Arabia. Bummer. :^)

[SunkenCiv]

The Thera keyword (sorry for the delay, I'd intended to post this alongside the Mycenaeans keyword):.

• The Lost City of Atlantis May Be Hiding in Plain Sight Sergio Frau [2015]
• Aegean Sea: CO2 opalescent pools found at site of volcanic eruption that wiped out Minoan... [2015]
• World's Oldest Weather Report Found on 3500-Year-Old Stone in Egypt [2014]
• Greek Island of Santorini Volcano Erupted in 16th Century [2014]
• Ancient city of Iasos rises out of the ashes [2013]
• Fossil Insects Tweak Date of Deadly "Atlantis" Eruption [2013]
• Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii -- part 6 [2013]
• Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii -- part 5 [2013]
• Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii -- part 4 [2013]
• Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii -- part 3 [2013]
• Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii -- part 2 [2013]
• Which volcanoes impacted ancient climate? Sulphur tells the story [2013]
• Atlantis: The Evidence [ Thera, Crete, the usual modern myths ] [2012]
• Nebra sky disk discarded because of volcanic ash, scientists say By Aug 23, 2010, 15:49 GMT [2010]
• New analysis on problems between archaeology and pharaonic chronology, based on radiocarbon dating [2010]
• Biblical plagues really happened say scientists [ Thera, global warming, yada yada yada ] [2010]
• In the Mediterranean, Killer Tsunamis From an Ancient Eruption [2009]
• Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii -- part 1 [of 6] [2009]
• A Storm in Egypt during the Reign of Ahmose [The Tempest Stele] [2009]
• Real Tsunami May Have Inspired Legend of Atlantis [2009]
• Thera eruption in 1613 BC [2008]
• 'Virtual archaeologist' reconnects fragments of an ancient civilization [ Thera ] [2008]
• Greek archaeological site reburied [ Akrotiri Santorini ] [2008]
• Pumace As A Time Witness (Archaeology) [2008]
• Did a Tsunami Wipe Out a Cradle of Western Civilization? [2008]
• Layers of mystery: Archaeologists look to the earth for Minoan fate [2007]
• Greece Is The Word For Volcanoes (Thera) [2007]
• The wave that destroyed Atlantis [Destroyed by a giant tsunami?] [2007]
• A Culture Shaped By Natural Disasters (Thera/Akrotiri) [2007]
• Viewer Beware: The Exodus Decoded [ Jacobovici response to BAR review] [2006]
• Santorini Eruption Much larger Than Originally Believed [2006]
• 'Exodus Decoded' seeks 'plausible explanation' for Biblical events [2006]
• 'Decoding' the Bible (Movie: Exodus Decoded) [2006]
• Documentary Sets New Date For Exodus [2006]
• Explorer Ballard heads exploration of undersea volcano [2006]
• Ancient Volcano, Seeds And Treerings, Suggest Rewriting Late Bronze Age Mediterranean History (More) [2006]
• Olive branch solves a Bronze Age mystery [2006]
• ARCHAEOLOGY: New Carbon Dates Support Revised History of Ancient Mediterranean [2006]
• Director posits proof of biblical Exodus [2006]
• Unprecedented mathematical knowledge found in (Minoan) Bronze Age wall paintings. [2006]
• Ireland Is Lost Island of Atlantis, Says Scientist [2004]
• New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption [2004]
• Alaska Volcano West of Anchorage Stirs After 12-Year Slumber [2004]
• 50 Ancient Tombs Uncovered (1400BC, Crete) [2004]
• Memory in Ruins [Biblical Archaeology] [2003]
• Will We Ever Find Atlantis? [2003]
• SCIENTISTS REVISIT AN AEGEAN ERUPTION FAR WORSE THAN KRAKATOA [2003]
• Debate Erupts Anew: Did Thera's Explosion Doom Minoan Crete? [2003]
• Signs Of An Eruption [2003]
• Biblical Plagues and Parting of Red Sea caused by Volcano [2002]

[KC Burke]

LOL. You have some strong feelings on that one.

We need to make that into its own thread.

[SunkenCiv]

I've got the Kline (sp?) book around here, uh, somewhere. But as for a thread of its own, that's been done, and overall, been done to death around here. Bound to happen, since FR has a couple of million, or three or four million, threads. :^)

[cranked]

While you may disagree with what was asserted, your claim that there was no super volcano Thera/Santorini eruption is utter idiocy and against historical fact.

[SunkenCiv]

On the timeline, the Mycenaeans were after the Yourcenaeans, and before the Theircenaeans.

Navarino Environmental Observatory: Drought ended Mycenaean era in ancient Greece
TornosNews.gr
15.05.2018 | 14:38
http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/greek-news/culture/31297-navarino-environmental-observatory-drought-ended-mycenaean-era-in-ancient-greece.html

[SunkenCiv]

Immanuel Velikovsky
The Dark Age of Greece

• A Technical Note
• Preface
• The Reconstruction of Ancient History

  ---

• Chapter I: The Homeric Question
  • The Setting of the Stage
  • Why No Literary Relics from Five Centuries?
  • Troy in the Dark Ages
  • The Dark Age in Asia Minor
  • The Homeric Question
  • The Allies of Priam
  • Aeneas
  • Olympic Games in the Iliad

  ---

• Chapter II: Mute Witnesses
  • Troy and Gordion
  • The Lion Gate of Mycenae
  • Olympia
  • “The Scandal of Enkomi”
  • Tiryns
  • Mute Witnesses
  • A Votive Cretan Cave
  • Etruria
  • Sicily
  • Mycenae and Scythia

  ---

• Chapter III: Words Set In Clay
  • Pylos
  • Linear B Deciphered
  • The Greek Pantheon
  • Mycenean City Names in the Iliad
  • The Mycenean Dialect
  • Cadmus

  ---

• Chapter IV: a Gap Closed
  • Seismology and Chronology
  • Celestial Events in the Iliad
  • Changes in Land and Sea
  • A Gap Closed
  • Competing for a Greater Antiquity
  • Summing Up

  ---

• Supplement
  • Applying the Revised Chronology by Edwin Schorr
  • New Light on the Dark Age of Greece by Jan Sammer

  ---

[SunkenCiv]

New analysis on problems between archaeology and pharaonic chronology, based on radiocarbon dating
American Associates, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev | June 17, 2010 | Unknown
Posted on 06/17/2010 1:57:51 PM PDT by decimon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2536818/posts

[SunkenCiv]

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