Posted on 07/09/2022 5:16:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Until they discovered the remains they claimed it never existed.
True they took the name from the Bible once it was discovered, yet those who now write about it and do history on it still claim the Bible is useless for historical purposes.
It is a valid statement, regardless if they originally took the name from the Bible. Now that they have other ancient archeological writings that use the same name for them from other cultures like ancient Assyrian and Babylonian records.
In universities where they teach about the ancient Hittites, they still refuse to admit the Bible is accurate for History.
Fact.
I have commented that calling these people “Hittites” is a little bit like calling the people of Albany, NY “Albanians.”
If it’s a Greek statue, what does it have to do with the Hittites? Does it have the name “Ahhiyawa” written on it? We are told that’s what the Hittites called the Greeks.
No, "they" didn't. And the Old Testament doesn't talk about a Hittite empire. What you are saying is simply not true, period.
LOL!
Those Greeks, they got around.
In Search of the Trojan War is a 1985 6-part British TV documentary series written and presented by Michael Wood. It examines the extent to which historical and archeological evidence matches with the tale of the Trojan War as recounted by Homer in The Iliad.In search of the Trojan war - Empire of the Hittites (5/6)
April 26, 2013 | Quidam Graecus
| Hittite or Hittites | ||||
| 47 Matches in 48 Verses | ||||
| Genesis | 8 Verse(s) | 9 Match(es) | ||
| Exodus | 7 Verse(s) | 7 Match(es) | ||
| Numbers | 1 Verse(s) | 1 Match(es) | ||
| Deuteronomy | 2 Verse(s) | 2 Match(es) | ||
| Joshua | 6 Verse(s) | 6 Match(es) | ||
| Judges | 2 Verse(s) | 2 Match(es) | ||
| 1 Samuel | 1 Verse(s) | 1 Match(es) | ||
| 2 Samuel | 8 Verse(s) | 8 Match(es) | ||
| 1 Kings | 4 Verse(s) | 4 Match(es) | ||
| 2 Kings | 1 Verse(s) | 1 Match(es) | ||
| 1 Chronicles | 1 Verse(s) | 1 Match(es) | ||
| 2 Chronicles | 2 Verse(s) | 2 Match(es) | ||
| Ezra | 1 Verse(s) | 1 Match(es) | ||
| Nehemiah | 1 Verse(s) | 1 Match(es) | ||
| Ezekiel | 2 Verse(s) | 2 Match(es) | ||
By the way, you are welcome for the history lesson, unless you now want to add to your ignorance, by standing by your claim that the Bible doesn’t talk about the Hittites.
Maybe you would like to double down and claim the Bible is a fictitious book, and whatever it has in it is made up, like so many atheists did for 1000s of years. Then when it was discovered to actually exist, they still claim the Bible is useless for historical purposes.
I could also list all the verses if you are too lazy to check out my proof.
Yo, stupid, the Hittites are mentioned, but not as an empire. So, once again, no, you’re wrong, in fact, you’re just lying.
As for recognizing any other nation as an empire, if you look at the ancient tablets of these various nations long lost they themselves do not recognize each other as empires. Not until long after many of these empires were gone did some even suggest they were empires.
Wasn't until Ptolemy of Egypt that nations even cared about the past of other societies. This is why the great library of Alexandria existed, and he is the one who hired Jewish scholars to write the old Hebrew writings in Greek for his library, thus we have the Pentateuch, which was translated from ancient Hebrew into Classical Greek.
It was after Ptolemy that other great societies began following Egypt's lead in keeping records of other past societies, but before that when a nation destroyed another they systematically destroyed all record threat nation ever existed. OH, they did record their exploits in wars, but always heavily written to favor their society, so it is difficult to know how the warts left.
In the great battles between the Egyptian power and the Hittite powers, each side took credit for winning thew war in their writing to keep the people from rebelling, and to show them the kings/Pharaohs were all powerful in destroying other nations.
Israel is the only one of the ancient civilizations that actually recorded all their own defeats and victories as they accused. However, like the Muslims still do, most nations in ancient history destroyed as much of the culture of the other nation as they could. So what would they ever admit the opponent was an empire, they wrote their history to claim they were the first and only empires.
Thus the Egyptian, Assyrians, and the Babylonians have no ancient writings that shows they themselves even recognized another nation as being an empire. There is nothing in their ancient writings that ever refer to other powers around them during or before as being recognized empires, until Ptolemy, and he may be the first also to recognize that the Medo-Persians as an empire whom Alexander conquered.
At the time of their great battles, neither the Hittites nor the Egyptians recognized each other as being empires, great nations maybe, but not empires. Egyptians did not see the Hittites as an empire, the Assyrians did not ever record Egypt as being an empire, and the Medo-Persians never referred to Babylon as an empire. the Bible never refers to any power as an empire, great nations maybe, but even at that they never referred to Egypt as a great nation. And they were a bonafide empire by todays standards. Same with the Assyrians and Medo-Persians. They referred to them as great nations, but not empires . Heck, they considered some of the same kingdoms as great nations. So what your point is is baffling.
Besides, my point from the beginning of this back and forth was the Bible referred to the Hittites, not that they ever admitted they were an empire. You even claimed the Bible never mentioned them, and once I proved it now you move the marker and claim they had to have mentioned the Hittites were an empire.
Here are each and every reference the Bible has on the Hittites. A few thought of them to be powerful enough to ask them to help defeat the Egyptians, so obviously the Israelite's believed the Hittites were powerful enough to take on Egypt. However, the Hittites were well known, but they were well outside the sphere of influence of Israel, and Israel's interest as for the biblical history goes was mote about those who interacted with them, and as I said, they did hire the Hittites to help defeat the Egyptians.
Below is all the verses where the word Hittite, or Hittites were mentions in the Old Testament.
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 23:10 And Ephron dwelt among the children of Heth: and Ephron the Hittiteanswered Abraham in the audience of the children of Heth, evenof all that went in at the gate of his city, saying,
Gen 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which isbefore Mamre;
Gen 26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:
Gen 36:2 Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite;
Gen 49:29 And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that isin the field of Ephron the Hittite,
Gen 49:30 In the cave that isin the field of Machpelah, which isbefore Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittitefor a possession of a buryingplace.
Gen 50:13 For his sons carried him into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.
Exo 3:8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.
Exo 3:17 And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey.
Exo 13:5 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.
Exo 23:23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
Exo 23:28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.
Exo 33:2 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:
Exo 34:11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.
Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
Deu 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
Deu 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely,the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
Jos 1:4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.
Jos 3:10 And Joshua said, Hereby ye shall know that the living God isamong you, and thathe will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.
Jos 9:1 And it came to pass, when all the kings which wereon this side Jordan, in the hills, and in the valleys, and in all the coasts of the great sea over against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, heard thereof;
Jos 11:3 And tothe Canaanite on the east and on the west, and tothe Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Jebusite in the mountains, and tothe Hivite under Hermon in the land of Mizpeh.
Jos 12:8 In the mountains, and in the valleys, and in the plains, and in the springs, and in the wilderness, and in the south country; the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites:
Jos 24:11 And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the men of Jericho fought against you, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; and I delivered them into your hand.
Jdg 1:26 And the man went into the land of the Hittites, and built a city, and called the name thereof Luz: which isthe name thereof unto this day.
Jdg 3:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
1Sa 26:6 Then answered David and said to Ahimelech the Hittite, and to Abishai the son of Zeruiah, brother to Joab, saying, Who will go down with me to Saul to the camp? And Abishai said, I will go down with thee.
2Sa 11:3 And David sent and enquired after the woman. And onesaid, Isnot this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?
2Sa 11:6 And David sent to Joab, saying,Send me Uriah the Hittite. And Joab sent Uriah to David.
2Sa 11:17 And the men of the city went out, and fought with Joab: and there fell someof the people of the servants of David; and Uriah the Hittitedied also.
2Sa 11:21 Who smote Abimelech the son of Jerubbesheth? did not a woman cast a piece of a millstone upon him from the wall, that he died in Thebez? why went ye nigh the wall? then say thou, Thy servant Uriah the Hittiteis dead also.
2Sa 11:24 And the shooters shot from off the wall upon thy servants; and someof the king's servants be dead, and thy servant Uriah the Hittiteis dead also.
2Sa 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittitewith the sword, and hast taken his wife to bethy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
2Sa 12:10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittiteto be thy wife.
2Sa 23:39 Uriah the Hittite: thirty and seven in all.
1Ki 9:20 Andall the people that wereleft of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which werenot of the children of Israel,
1Ki 10:29 And a chariot came up and went out of Egypt for six hundred shekelsof silver, and an horse for an hundred and fifty: and so for all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, did they bring themout by their means.
1Ki 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, andHittites;
1Ki 15:5 Because David did that which wasright in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thingthat he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
2Ki 7:6 For the Lord had made the host of the Syrians to hear a noise of chariots, and a noise of horses, eventhe noise of a great host: and they said one to another, Lo, the king of Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us.
1Ch 11:41 Uriah the Hittite, Zabad the son of Ahlai,
2Ch 1:17 And they fetched up, and brought forth out of Egypt a chariot for six hundred shekelsof silver, and an horse for an hundred and fifty: and so brought they out horsesfor all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, by their means.
2Ch 8:7 As forall the people that wereleft of the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which werenot of Israel,
Ezr 9:1 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doingaccording to their abominations, evenof the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
Neh 9:8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say,to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou artrighteous:
Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity isof the land of Canaan; thy father wasan Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
Eze 16:45 Thou artthy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou artthe sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children: your mother wasan Hittite, and your father an Amorite.
So, I am not wrong, I am correct, and I offer proof. You come with accusations, I come with facts, but like all who claim the Bible is worthless, you cannot see past your stubborn ignorance of the facts I offer.
First off, this back and forth has never been about anyone recognizing anyone as an empire, my original point, and please go back and read it, was about recognizing the Hittites existed...
The Hittites as an empire received their name due to the existence of the name of some local yokel tribe by that name, found in the Old Testament. That happened precisely because the people who did that were looking for names for previously unknown people in the Bible. Period. So yes, you are dead wrong, and you don't have any proof for your foolish trope, and you're just continuing your idiotic troll behavior in a GGG topic.
Incorrigible, you are.
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