It's too bad the public schools don't bother to teach the scientific method when they indoctrinate our kids in pseudo-scientific evolutionary philosophy.
Posted on 11/19/2005 11:37:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
Cody Young is an evangelical Christian who attends a religious high school in Southern California. With stellar grades, competitive test scores and an impressive list of extracurricular activities, Mr. Young has mapped a future that includes studying engineering at the University of California and a career in the aerospace industry, his lawyers have said.
But Mr. Young, his teachers and his family fear his beliefs may hurt his chance to attend the university. They say the public university system, which has 10 campuses, discriminates against students from evangelical Christian schools, especially faith-based ones like Calvary Chapel Christian School in Murrieta, where Mr. Young is a senior.
Mr. Young, five other Calvary students, the school and the Association of Christian Schools International, which represents 4,000 religious schools, sued the University of California in the summer, accusing it of "viewpoint discrimination" and unfair admission standards that violate the free speech and religious rights of evangelical Christians.
The suit, scheduled for a hearing on Dec. 12 in Federal District Court in Los Angeles, says many of Calvary's best students are at a disadvantage when they apply to the university because admissions officials have refused to certify several of the school's courses on literature, history, social studies and science that use curriculums and textbooks with a Christian viewpoint.
The lawyer for the school, Robert Tyler, said reviewing and approving the course content was an intrusion into private education that amounted to government censorship. "They are trying to secularize private Christian schools," Mr. Tyler said. "They have taken God out of public schools. Now they want to do it at Christian schools."
A lawyer for the university, Christopher M. Patti, called the suit baseless. Acknowledging the university does not accept some courses,
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The exceptions prove that it is possible. All it takes is the will to make it happen. Sadly, that will seems lacking. Parents and administrators seem much too intent on being engaged in some nonsensical philosophical debate over books and religion and social issues, anything but the actual education of children.
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Yep.. I can recognize a Machiavellian "big lie" liberal a mile a way. "Right wing" you are not. Poser..you are. You've been bashing away in here at everyone and everything long before I addressed your post(s).
I fully support your right to teach your unfortunate kids whatever loony origin story you wish. However, I have not only the right, but the duty ...
... to stand at the entrance of the school and keep out the "wrong kind" of people. Is your clan membership up to date? Racial bigotry or Intellectual bigotry, the results are the same. You're trying to justify your evil with shallow pseudo-academic arguments.
A course which teaches scientifically false material - for example, that the earth is of the order of thousands of yours old - is not a valid science course.
And if my daughter attends a course that teaches both evolution, and also points out problems with Darwinian theory (Second law of Thermodynamics, or non-reproducability), based in part upon her religion, you support the UC policy, and maintain that she should be excluded from the UC system. Again, keep those white sheets and hoods available (or the brown shirts and jack boots, if you prefer).
Seven schools in twelve years. Why did you do that?
Work. United States Navy, and later consulting work. I fought to preserve your right to discriminate against my daughter, and to prevert the U.S. Constitution into something it never was. Enjoy!
SAT scores are only part of university admissions credentials.
A fact that I recognize, and which is entirely beside the point, when the UC has set a policy which excludes Christian students regardless of their accomplishments. It's also a rather convenient, because once objectivity has been eliminated from the Admissions process, good folks like you can subjectively establish rules to "legitimately" exclude any minority.
(1) Godwin's law invoked
God's Law invoked. "Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." Mark 10:14 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6
You don't have to believe it for it to be true. God help you if I'm right and you're wrong.
(2) Please identify two or three figures in the secular left in 1789, and some documentation of the claim that the First Amendment was formulated to protect us from them.
No. If I want to argue Constitutional law with a honest leftist Democrat, I can find them on another web site. They too, want to bar Conservatives and particularly Christians from the University campus.
You previously reported another FReeper to the Admin moderator because you felt "threatened". Why do you think folks here are getting upset with you? Evolutionists have come and gone. You'll be dust soon also. No one on this forum really cares much what you think about evolution or intelligent design. However, as I said during one of my first posts, this issue directly impacts my daughter's civil and Constitutional rights. It's going to her hurt, and not only do you not give a damn, you are really quite gleeful at her situation. You are happy the UC has taken this position. And then you cry because someone has taken offense, that someone might even have a violent thought towards you?
You obviously have no children of your own, or no common sense. Certainly, you have no sense of common decency.
SFS
"Bashing" is apparently the word you use for being threatened by fanatics
And if my daughter attends a course that teaches both evolution, and also points out problems with Darwinian theory (Second law of Thermodynamics, or non-reproducability), based in part upon her religion, you support the UC policy, and maintain that she should be excluded from the UC system.
No course that teaches that should be recognized as a legitimate science course. However, just to show it ain't personal, if you decide to sue the private school in question for falsely representing itself as an educational institution, I will delighted to appear gratis as an expert on your behalf -- I was scientific reviewer for the thermodynamics chapters of the most recent edition of the major physical chemistry college textbook used in the United States.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is not in conflict with the theory of evolution. Anyone who says different is a charlatan.
Work. United States Navy, and later consulting work. I fought to preserve your right to discriminate against my daughter, and to prevert the U.S. Constitution into something it never was. Enjoy!
Thank you for your service. It doesn't make you right about this.
A fact that I recognize, and which is entirely beside the point, when the UC has set a policy which excludes Christian students regardless of their accomplishments.
No, it does not. It simply refuses to give credit for courses that teach nonsense, like what you wrote above about the second law, as legitimate high school courses.
God help you if I'm right and you're wrong.
Allah help you if Mohammed's right and you're wrong.
You are happy the UC has taken this position. And then you cry because someone has taken offense, that someone might even have a violent thought towards you?
I don't complain to the mods except to identify threats of violence, which I will not tolerate. Personally, blowhards like dsc don't worry me, but this sort of wingnut drivel makes the site look bad. Evidently the mods don't take it so seriously. That's a mistake.
You obviously have no children of your own, or no common sense. Certainly, you have no sense of common decency.
Three kids; no problem with college accreditation. Maybe you should pay more attention to the nonsense they're teaching your kids, and less whining when other people recognize it as nonsense.
The days of the public (government)schools are numbered.
Christian home schoolers have occassionally won spelling bees certainly NOT "year after year."
Every Christian school is NOT superior to any public school. That is ridiculous beyond compare. There are thousands of superb public schools throughout the land which are far better than even the best Christian school.
I had children attend both.
I judge schools by how they treat all the students.
Drive by the Christian schools in the working class neighbor hoods ,and you will see well scrubbed kids laughing with each other.
Drive by the public high schools and you will see angry , badly dressed teens smoking cigerrettes.
I see the discrimination against the Christian students as an attempt to protect the public school system.
Those of you who are happy with public schools are a minority ,and you have no right to demand we give our money and our kids to the public schools.
But keep on insisting there is nothing wrong with the puplic schools. Pride has never brought anyone down.
Try praying in open in one.
Every Christian knows one can pray anywhere and anytime. But that was not the point of your earlier silly comment in any case.
YOu must enjoy arguing with yourself since there was nothing in any post of mine which even vaguely resembles the straw men you gleefully demolish in your "response" to me.
However should you like to address any REAL comment of mine I am waiting.
We happen to have very good public schools in our area. There are exceptions academically, much like what you deascribed in your area.Exceptions. In general, I am correct and you have no basis for dispute.
Your initial comment was not directed at morality from anything that could be seen. This thread is more concerned about the academic discrimination against Christian schools' curricula not morality.
I think every rational Freeper should read this thread before it disappears. Would you mind pinging them?
I'd like to oblige, but it's really too late to use the ping list. Nobody likes to get into a thread when it's gone way past 100 posts. Just keep track of the article, and link to it in other threads.
Junior, archival ping.
Creationists-threaten-to-shoot-academics ping.
"This idea that Christian education is somehow inferior to public schools needs to be laid to rest. "
I don't know anybody who thinks that Christian education is inferior -I certainly don't I went to a Christian school and later tuaght religion as well as heading the science department at a privatye school.
The concern isn't about Christian education but rather a particular movement within evangelical Christianity to stop using the scientific method as the basis for science education and instead to interject faith. That would be bad if it spreads.
Gallileo said scripture is intended to teach us how to go to heaven, and not how the heavens go. That's still true today.
"This leaves only one question: Are secular liberals or Christian conservatives more dogmatic and closed-minded? "
Fortunately it is only a portion of evangelical Christian conservatives who want to reject the scientific method and teach faith in science class. That needs to be opposed by the rest of us Christian conservatives.
For the record, I see this as a legal issue only - dealing with what discriminations based on creed are allowed in publicly funded institutions.
The petitioners must establish "viewpoint discrimination" and unfair admission standards that violate the free speech and religious rights of evangelical Christians.
The 9th is notoriously liberal so their chances are not good in the lower courts, but the Supremes frequently overturn the 9th...
It's too bad the public schools don't bother to teach the scientific method when they indoctrinate our kids in pseudo-scientific evolutionary philosophy.
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