Skip to comments.Mirecki hospitalized after beating (KU Relig. prof. who mocked religion)
Posted on 12/05/2005 8:13:08 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht
Mirecki hospitalized after beating
By Ron Knox, Eric Weslander (Contact)
Originally published 05:37 p.m., December 5, 2005 Updated 06:31 p.m., December 5, 2005
Douglas County sheriffs deputies are investigating the reported beating of a Kansas University professor who gained recent notoriety for his Internet tirades against Christian fundamentalists.
Kansas University religious studies professor Paul Mirecki reported he was beaten by two men about 6:40 a.m. today on a roadside in rural Douglas County. In a series of interviews late this afternoon, Mirecki said the men who beat him were making references to the controversy that has propelled him into the headlines in recent weeks. Mirecki
I didnt know them, but Im sure they knew me, he said.
Mirecki said he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men tailgating him in a pickup truck.
I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up real close behind, he said. They got out, and I made the mistake of getting out.
He said the men beat him about the upper body with their fists, and he said he thinks they struck him with a metal object. He was treated and released at Lawrence Memorial Hospital.
Im mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots, he said.
Douglas County Sheriffs Officials are classifying the case as an aggravated battery. They wouldnt say exactly where the incident happened, citing the ongoing investigation
The sheriffs department is looking for the suspects, described as two white males between ages 30 and 40, one wearing a red visor and wool gloves, and both wearing jeans. They were last seen in a large pickup truck.
Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 843-TIPS or the sheriffs office at 841-0007.
Mirecki recently wrote online that he planned to teach intelligent design as mythology in an upcoming course. He wrote it would be a nice slap in the big fat face of fundamentalists.
The remarks caused an uproar, Mirecki apologized, and KU announced last week the class would be canceled.
It's 'and', not merely 'or'. :-)
I have to be honest. I don't look to threads and cherry pick posts I don't like. If somebody says something particularly stupid, I ignore it. But that's just me. Comes from grading calc exams taken by bio students. Write down the zero and move on.
I knew it wasn't XOR, that's for sure. ;)
That's fine. I'll just question the morality of someone who expresses no concern over the establishment of a university class for the purpose of ridiculing the beliefs of others, and the intelligence of someone who sees no connection between inflammatory words and a subsequent beating.
BTW, paging through the thread, I recognized several evo regulars.
I'll further question the integrity of someone who continually harps on terrorism in a discussion concerning pugilism and then insists he is not implying any equality between the two. I addressed #461 by stating it is not necessary to treat the bubbleheaded professor on the same level as genocidal tyrants, etc. Remember? You've picked up some imaginary ax to grind.
That tells me all I need to know.
And that would be ???????
I would, too.
So, you condone the bombing of abortion clinics then.
You seem to be well-practiced at non-seqiturs.
My posts have not indicated support for anyone's position but my own. Post #461 does not contain "praise." You just wish it did. It merely raises questions anyone is free to answer.
No, it's a logical conclusion . . .
It is not a logical conclusion to assume someone condones the bombing of abortion clinics when he merely states that beating up a loony professor is not on the same level as dealing with genocidal tyrants or abortionists.
It is a logical conclusion however, to assume someone is both delusional and disingenuous when he continually talks about terrorism in a thread related to pugilism in an attempt to paint other people in a bad light. But hey, since you can't tell the difference between sarcasm and gloating it stands to reason you can't tell the difference between beating up a loony professor and dealing with genocidal tyrants.
I'm a bit skeptical of Mirecki's story, but it's because libs have staged "hate crimes" in the past. We'll see soon enough.
Indeed, I would be surprised if that was not the case for many of the most over-the-top posts we see
I've often wondered how many of the anti-evo posters here are really plants from DU. Salting FR with off-the-wall quotes to mine.
If you think that there is such a thing as "hate speech," it should not surprise me that you don't seem to have much of a problem with people being beaten for their political views.
That's what it tells me.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...
(an old Catholic joke from an old Catholic)
Well, none of that's true but I'll restate one last time, a fact of life.
"In life, you can choose your actions, but you cannot choose the consequences."
What do you mean, "Standing up for?" I'm just not an alarmist like you. I don't read between the lines, jump to stupid conclusions, and badger people when they express opinions of a moral nature. I'll let their words speak for themselves. A discussion about terrorists and such is not germane to this thread, but like a broken record you keep claiming it is. I don't care if you brought it up or not. You might as well have. What do abortion and terrorism have to do with a professor who was allegedly assaulted?
"Mirecki mum on details of beating"
Read today's thread above.
Are you going to retract your comments?
"Mirecki mum on details of beating"
Read today's thread above.
Are you going to retract your comments?
You won't because you are a sanctimonious ...... whatever.
"What do you mean, "Standing up for?" I'm just not an alarmist like you. I don't read between the lines, jump to stupid conclusions, and badger people when they express opinions of a moral nature."
That would be opinions of an immoral nature. And your silence is support.
"I'll let their words speak for themselves."
And your silence speaks for you.
"A discussion about terrorists and such is not germane to this thread, but like a broken record you keep claiming it is."
It is when a poster is an apologist for terroristic actions. Like a broken record, you keep pretending the post was just dandy.
"I don't care if you brought it up or not."
Sure, why concern yourself with the facts.
"What do abortion and terrorism have to do with a professor who was allegedly assaulted?"
Ask the poster of post 461, he brought them into the discussion.
If you took the time to go back and read my comments, you would notice I was posting about freepers who were gleeful this guy was hurt (even before any facts were realized). Nothing to retract. The behavior of many freepers here were appalling no matter what the outcome is. That is what I was commenting on.
They are a neo-nazi group...they sometimes try to slip in a a new member a to post racist views...I've heard the admins knock them out real quick!
Furthermore, post 461 was not even addressed to me. It was addressed to another individual who noted there are numerous cases of Christians indulging in hateful acts, much as pummeling a hapless professor is a hateful act (whether done by Christians or anyone else).
That seems to be your favorite post. It's like a sweet morsel to you. Like a pig wallowing in filth you'd like to spread it around and pretend all Christians are complicit in unwarranted acts of violence. Maybe I should respond to the remainder of your posts in "oinks."
"Furthermore, post 461 was not even addressed to me."
Yes, Pontius Pilate.
I'll take that as a tacit admission that abortion and terrorism have little to do with a professor who was allegedly assaulted. By your silence regarding the apparent cause for bubblehead's bruises I will take it as tacit admission that you support the formation of university classes solely intended to ridicule the beliefs of others. Why do you support university classes to make fun of other people?
Is that you, Jezebel?
Not he shouldn't. That would be wrong. Dude admitted guilt in a deal to avoid the needle.
thanks. Lost track of the case, actually.
Then why do you link me to that post by implication? You essentially think unsatisfactory reaction to a post you find objectionable is reason to believe I am some how linked to its intent. Not only myself, but anyone else who does not join in your self-righteous chest beating.
I am talking about particular so-called Christians who have no problem being apologists for blowing people up.
Are you a pacifist? Do you believe there is absolutely no condition under which another person's life should be taken by force?
Also, why haven't you criticized the professor who set up a class for the purpose of ridiculing people's beliefs? In your failure to criticize his actions you have proven that you support such classes. Why do you support university classes that are designed to make fun of people? I haven't seen you denounce such classes, so that must mean you support them.
In your case I believe it.
"Then why do you link me to that post by implication?"
Because you jumped into a discussion of it and made a statement about my motives for talking about that post. I had no desire to talk to you. You did this to yourself, Fester. :)
"Are you a pacifist? Do you believe there is absolutely no condition under which another person's life should be taken by force?"
Is blowing up abortion clinics one of those conditions?
"Also, why haven't you criticized the professor who set up a class for the purpose of ridiculing people's beliefs?"
Stop changing the subject.
"Why do you support university classes that are designed to make fun of people?"
I don't. I have no problem with a class though that looks at creationism as a myth.
Would raise the standard of your posts.
I agree. But if it was a reaction to the professor's inflammatory language it was not unprovoked. He wouldn't have those bruises if he had the sense to refrain from establishing a university class dedicated to the ridicule of other people's beliefs.
My standards are not as low as yours.
He only stepped down as chairman. However, Paul Mirecki remains as a tenured professor there.
From what I read, he stepped down after all the controversy over the past few weeks, so the department could get on with its teaching/research function.
A man. He was attacked. He thought something that others did not agree with. So he was attacked. How is that acceptable?
Ah, well the local report only said he resigned, it was in the midst of their coverage of school/college etc., closings and traffic update.
Those interested in this story should check out two newer developments:
If I decided to start a class that talked about economics, and the effect of interest rates, then stated that it was to 'slap the 'kikes' in the face', I would expect that there would be very little sympathy for the reaction to the statement and the intent of the class.
Those are what are known as 'fighting words'. Freedom of speech extends to a certain point. While people are free to be bigots, Mirecki was definitely walking on the wrong side of that line. I don't condone the violence, but if the story he tells is true, I'm not surprised.
Couldn't be. Remember the first rule of Fight Club.
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