Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

[eleni121]

Evolution is built upon a supposition - that creation exists by natural causes. Once the supposition is begun, evos look to nature to prove it.

This is circular reasoning----get the drift?

[Senator Bedfellow]

The IRS complained that SINCE 1997 his ministry, which includes voluntary offerings taken at churches, sales from the books and other materials he writes and produces and income from his Dino Land have earned $1 million. That's in 8 years time.

A little revisionist history, eh? Man, your memory must suck, because I posted this article to you just this morning, about ten hours ago:

"Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years, which would require the filing of federal income taxes," Schneider said.

Biblical theme park's finances investigated

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"What a racket evos have...when one theory is found to be false, another theory is quickly postulated to cover the first error."

This cannot possibly be in response to your claim that evolutionists believe in spontaneous generation. You can't really be that stupid.

[balrog666]

The flock that sees Kent Hovind's materials, and purchases them consists of Christians who are already BELIEVERS in the literal truth of the Genesis Creation account

Or, as the church of Peter calls them, heretics, specifically ones who seem to worship a book above their god.

[Full Court]

Just kiddie rides in his back yard. But, Full Court knows all. Never mind that couple of million he scammed from idiot true believers and didn't bother to report 'cause he's a preacher with a little tax protester flavor mixed in.

He doesn't have "rides" in the back yard dude, unless you count the tire swing.

The IRS complained that SINCE 1997 his ministry, which includes voluntary offerings taken at churches, sales from the books and other materials he writes and produces and income from his Dino Land have earned $1 million. That's in 8 years time. And of course there is no mention of the funds spent paying Staff, and plowed back into the ministry.

Why would you lie about the guy so bad????

Seems like if any of you people had a clue you could attack the message instead of writing fiction and libel about the messenger.

And if you want to reach him, check his schedule and see when he will be in your town. Or call him.

[furball4paws]

You just demeaned one of my favorite anatomical features :-)

[Ichneumon]

["you mean like his "theory" that the grand canyon was created in a 30 minute flashflood?"]

Thirty minutes, perhaps. It could have taken several hours. The waters from the deep (Genesis chs. 6 and 7) completely deluged the earth in 40 days.

Anyone who knows anything at all about the geology of the Grand Canyon can recognize this as complete lunacy.

Son, there are tens of thousands of laminar layers in the Grand Canyon. Countless of these layers have animal tracks, fossilized raindrop impressions, animal burrows, etc. in them. There's no freaking way that any of these things could be laid down UNDERWATER. Period.

And that's even leaving aside the hundreds of features of the Grand Canyon which were very clearly formed in the way that geologists say it was -- over a millions of years by a river eroding pre-existing strata, which themselves were laid down in separate eras under non-flood conditions. The evidence is vast and overwhelming for anyone who cares to actually check it out, which of course leaves out the creationists.

Here, for example, is a good example of the kind of "doesn't make any bloody sense to anyone with a working brain" stuff the creationists claim about the Grand Canyon, along with my observations on why it's entirely idiotic: My critique of AnswersInGenesis's Grand Canyon blather.

Creationist fantasies about the Grand Canyon being formed in a matter of days under a huge flood are just complete lunacy, and no one with a decent knowledge of the facts and a knowledge of geology beyond the gradeschool level could possibly fall for such twaddle. Deal with it.

Something taking place in a 30 to 180 minute time span within 10,000 years ago...God. Not difficult to comprehend.

Yes, very simple indeed to comprehend. Simple things for simple minds. Unfortunately, it flies entirely in the face of almost every known fact about the Grand Canyon and the laws of physics.

Something happening in a 10 million year period, billions and billions of years ago...Darwinian evolutionist. Wild guesses.

No, those are the conclusions based on vast and overwhelming amounts of independently cross-confirming lines of evidence, amassed by over a century of research by thousands of people. Those conclusions have faced and passed countless validation tests and potential falsification tests. They are as well-established and validated as any conclusion in modern science. Against that reality, the creationists have their wild imaginations, untested against reality (and in strict contradiction to the facts).

But hey, don't let reality stand in the way of what you *want* to believe, if that makes you happy.

[lemura]

Give it up, man; write a telling expose' of how teachers are forced to teach Darwinian TOE. You could sell a million copies to the nation's Cleti and retire to the beach. Leave FR and the world behind - or use the proceeds to further scientific research and parlay your stake into the next great fortune.

[js1138]

It's pretty clear he wants to treat the proposed debate as a political game rather than a way of advancing knowledge.

[andysandmikesmom]

You bet...we lurkers are out here, reading everything...

Thanks for Sylvester, hes a sweetie...

[Gumlegs]

My, don't we have a breathtaking knowledge of subjects of which we are entirely ignorant!

Evo theory has cornered the market so to speak on new ways of looking at life on earth. Further, the gaps, illogical leaps, outright lies in the field of evolution has undermined what real science - a science not cahined to secularism - could be doing.

Name an "outright lie" please. State how it has "undermined" real science. Also, please state how science would be improved by adhering to a religion, name that religion, and please state specifically why it is better than all the other religions insofar as science is concerned.

Evos have decided that undermining Christian origin beliefs is their primary mission. Very sad that science has deteriorated to this low point.

Please don't quit your day job. Your mind-reading act leaves much to be desired.

[onewhowatches]

Thirty minutes, perhaps. It could have taken several hours. The waters from the deep (Genesis chs. 6 and 7) completely deluged the earth in 40 days.

Do you mean contrary to all of the evidence science has dug up that you support the global flood story, and you actually think the Grand Canyon is evidence for a few hours' flood?

Whew! And you guys think evos are stretching things!

[balrog666]

Which is precisely why Hovind would NEVER agree to it. The fact of the matter is he could, anytime he wants, show up on FR, Panda's Thumb, or ony one of a dozen other websites that offer posting priviledges, and take on his detractors. The fact that he embraces the 30 second live soundbite "debate" format over a written format where BOTH sides would have the opportunity to do research before providing WRITTEN responses is very telling indeed: IOW, he's just a PUSSY.

D@mn! Are we in the Smokey Back Room already? Can we speak our minds now?

[Senator Bedfellow]

The IRS complained that SINCE 1997 his ministry, which includes voluntary offerings taken at churches, sales from the books and other materials he writes and produces and income from his Dino Land have earned $1 million. That's in 8 years time.

Sorry, dude, but that's outright bullshit. See post 622.

Libel, huh? LOL. Let him sue me. We'll see how he sticks with it if I subpoena his financials.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Give it up, man; write a telling expose' of how teachers are forced to teach Darwinian TOE. You could sell a million copies to the nation's Cleti and retire to the beach. Leave FR and the world behind - or use the proceeds to further scientific research and parlay your stake into the next great fortune."

I am sure this is considered to you a rational response to some point I made, but to me it's incoherent. Is this all you have?

[eleni121]

But you are that stupid. Like any good little evo - you obfuscate what is really going on here...the total trashing of evolution as a washed out theory for explaining anything!

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"But you are that stupid. Like any good little evo - you obfuscate what is really going on here...the total trashing of evolution as a washed out theory for explaining anything!"

So in other words, you have no reasoned response to my statement that spontaneous generation is not a part of the ToE. Thanks for making that perfectly clear.

[Free Baptist]

"Anyone who knows anything at all about the geology of the Grand Canyon can recognize this as complete lunacy.

"Son, there are tens of thousands of laminar layers in the Grand Canyon. Countless of these layers have animal tracks, fossilized raindrop impressions, animal burrows, etc. in them. There's no freaking way that any of these things could be laid down UNDERWATER. Period."

You have only told me you refuse to take God's word for anything. The laminar layers you speak of, themselves, with all of their contents, were the product of the very same deluge that covered the highest mountain top in 40 days.

[sirchtruth]

Well it's as logical an explaiation as the one about the grand canyon being carved out in 30 minutes...

I've heard that, but it's just as plausable as any ape to man theory or or fish putting their shoes on and walking right out of the ocean.

It's funny what evolution fail to realize about the flood that is factual. Almost every culture on earth has a story about one! So the theory of a global flood MUST hold just as much water as any evolutionary theory. ;-)

[lemura]

Dude, you've been on this thread all day - take a break. When you wake up in the morning, think marketing 101: there is a ready audience of Cleti who are waiting for a breathless expose' of how the TOE is one big hoax. You could write that book and join Hovid at the beach, laughing all the way to the bank.