Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog
Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.
Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.
The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You can’t stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.
FReepers can’t will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we can’t put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.
Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.
So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.
So what?
Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.
It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.
Bush won’t let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You won’t win, you can’t win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.
We lost this one.
Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.
You can't convince a liberal, and a lot of conservatives, of this though, no matter the evidence around the world of the failure of taxpayer funded healthcare.
That said, where do you get the idea that this forum does not reflect popular opinion against Illegal immigration?
sw
Are you familiar with Napolean's idea of what to do with mobs? A whiff of grapeshot and they'll disperse.
I don't need to bother with deporting them, take away their jobs, government benefits, any future opportunity of becoming citizens and the vast majority will deport themselves.
You then announce that anyone caught here after a certain date will face the forfeiture of all their assets, jail time and permanent expulsion from the U.S. That will take care of the majority of those left.
After that we round up the stragglers as the chance presents itself.
It's really very simple.
If this were to occur, the outcry against such actions would resemble the anger at the TABC in Texas arresting intoxicated people who are sitting in bars. And all the TABC is doing is enforcing public intoxication laws.
I'm not prejudiced against races - just against cultures. Including the ones South of the Border.
Especially since there is almost unanimous bi-partisan support in the country for action. 75-90%, something in there.
It's never too late to do what's right!
Ok, but now how do you know they're illegal?
They say so, I speak the lingo and they are not afraid to brag about it, since nobody is being deported, NOBODY.
Excellent point!
sw
Scan the various posts today regarding immigration. Then tell me that my statement was false, that some posters here are prejudice against Mexicans. When I see someone post stuff like "I see all these illegals every day...," don't you wonder how they can figure this out just by looking? One poster talked about how some illegal Mexican caused a terrible car accident, as if illegal Mexicans are mostly to blame for this.
Correct, so why hire anymore? Everyone seems to want more BP Agents, but no one wants to hire more ICE agents, which is what we need.
No tax hike is needed to have ICE shut down employers of illegals. Once the jobs are gone, the illegals will leave on their own. It's a proven theory.
"If this were to occur, the outcry against such actions would resemble the anger at the TABC in Texas arresting intoxicated people who are sitting in bars. And all the TABC is doing is enforcing public intoxication laws."
I don't think so. But, I'm exaggerating a little, for effect. It's obvious that nobody's going to do any of that type of enforcement.
Nobody would be able to eat in any restaurant in the southwest, nor stay in any hotel if they did that. That's clear. Even here in Minnesota, such businesses hire lots of illegals. They're there. All ICE has to do is go enforce the laws. But they won't, of course.
Brilliant, Sparky.
You're MUCH funnier than Don Rickles.
That's the whole strategery right there in a nut shell. This shamnesty only kicks the can down the road and Bush and his enablers know it. Why would an invader sign up to be tracked when they are working now under the table without any tracking? Why would an employer hire a documented invader over an undocumented invader when he can pay the latter less wages without any benefits? Where will the funds come from to chase the invaders around the country 7 years from now? Who will monitor their kids to ensure they speak English? You and I both know none of this will happen. It will status quo plus an additional 10 million invaders in 7 years. Shouldn't we at least insist Vicente give us Cancun as payback for taking care of his citizens?
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