Posted on 05/30/2006 11:14:37 AM PDT by KevinNuPac
As I said, I am interested in hearing an intelligent debate between people on both sides of the issue. I am actually very neutral on the issue since I don't really care one way or the other. What does completely turn me off is the rhetoric involved. It doesn't matter how right, or wrong, anyone is when I start hearing emotionally charged buzzwords such as "death culture", "lovers of death", etc... repeated ad infinitum. All that does is turn someone away who might otherwise be willing to listen. If the facts really are on your side, there is no need to resort to those types of scare tactics.
Yep. This is exactly what it is. Culling the herd.
We don't.
Isn't it interesting the terms they coin in an effort to make murder look innocent? Pull our your pistol, shoot the victim between the eyes, and lo! You have committed Non-Voluntary Active Euthanasia.
Under the circumstances, a Luger would be the handgun of choice.
So why were replies to me laced with comments like "death culture" and "lovers of death"?
It is Judge Jones whose remarks were strident, mean and false. He betrayed his past supporters precisely by failing to uphold the law. He betrayed the law itself. The First Amendment does, after all, guarantee the freedom of all religion, not just Darwinism.
The terms are descriptive of a philosophy and its political agenda that seek to undermine the right to life in America. No other term fits. Right-to-die, euthanasia, assisted suicide and other such causes -- all of these strands are part of something larger that we term the death cult or death culture. It does fit them all.
The term is not necessarily pejorative. If you find it so, but want to be part of that movement without revealing your beliefs, suggest another name.
My Grandfather just died two days ago. His body was shutting down and decided he did not want to be put on life support. He lasted about 24 hours before passing. Does this mean he is part of a 'death cult' in your eyes?
The term is not necessarily pejorative. If you find it so, but want to be part of that movement without revealing your beliefs, suggest another name.
I am not even sure what 'that movement' is so I have no idea if I would want to be a part of it or not.
Cut the garbage.
>> I am not even sure what 'that movement' is so I have no idea if I would want to be a part of it or not.
Your choice. My only suggestion is that you read very, very deeply before you dip your feet in those waters. There are grave dangers in giving your energies and enthusiasms to the wrong philosophies.
I already said I am in the middle since I don't know enough about the issues to decide one way or the other. All I asked is for a pointer to an intelligent debate on the issues. Why is that so difficult to provide?
I've spent nearly three years investigating the case and learning the facts. Are you prepared to do the same?
Of course not. I have other things in my life that are more important at this point. What is so hard about providing a pointer to an intelligent debate on the subject?
Tend to them. Time flies.
Remember when they used to say, "There'll always be an England"? At this rate, England will be gone by next Tuesday.
So, since I don't have three years of my life to dedicate to learning all the inns-and-outs of the debate, I should remain ignorant? What is so hard with providing information so that I can make up my mind on the subject? I am trying as hard as I can to keep an open mind on this topic but your replies are making it very difficult.
Since your comments were directed largely at me, let me add a couple of points.
I am sorry about your grandfather and I realize you are upset about this as some of us on this thread have been about our own losses. Nothing unnatural about this, nothing involving "death culture" or "death lovers".
You will not be able to redefine our discussions as a debate between those for and those against what happened to Terri. I stated it a couple times earlier. That is not a debate any more than a fair debate between a priest and a devil. It is defense against an attack.
If you were to pursue this topic in depth, and it would probably not be good timing for you considering the passing of your grandfather, you would find the subject much more basic, a clash of good and evil on a very fundamental basis.
The Legacy of Terri is a flagship case, brought about by dark motives many years ago and perpetuated by a portion of our humanity which truly embraces death and dying above all other things that matter to them. Its origin is in the far distant past and was fought by people of good will ever since. We use the example of the White Rose, some who have led the way in Nazi Germany with challenges, fatal to themselves, against the regime itself.
Quite a few of the regular posters here were actually at the scene as events unfolded, so more than kibbitzers, we were actively witnessing the events unfolding. On scene, all sides (and it was overwhelmingly skewed to those of good will) recognized this epic battle, that of decent people fending off a whole gaggle of dark forces, those who would mold us in America according to the patterns of Hitler's Germany. Their emissaries became vocal spokespeople, like recently departed Dr. Death. They attacked us on every front, with the media, with propaganda, with slogans eagerly lapped up by the more compliant and less informed. We fought back with exposure to the facts, to the evidence.
Nor does it matter to our efforts which faith you may bring to this forum. All we could imagine were represented in this clash, including atheists and wiccans, on our side against this Mengele/Kervorkian march to State sponsored death. Especially we who are Christians witnessed the amazing parallel of events unfolding in lockstep to Holy Week and Easter, with Terri's death followed immediately by her champion in the Catholic faith, the Pope himself.
If you listen thoroughly to the audio, and I realize it takes patience, and if you remove preconceptions, realizing those discussing, are not just rattling off mantras like our adversaries use, you will glimpse what happened to the murder of Terri.
If you acquire a source book such as the one I commended to you, that of Cheryl Ford, you will see hard evidence of a crime and justice unrequited. I will be posting more from Cheryl Ford today.
T'wit was telling you that many here have looked into this deeply and despite emotional accusations projected by our detractors that we are emotional, we have looked the evidence over through and through and have poked holes in any that did not past muster, so we know what happened, more than just opinion.
Your entry into the forum was aggressive, accusative, and touching of sarcasm. That makes us shy away from embracing a cactus. This is the way of real trolls, who have nothing in their hardened hearts to reach, so naturally, we are wary of such initial appearances. But Charity is held here in high esteem and if you truly want to learn, we are glad to help you past your own emotions to the realities of this epic battle.
Our threads aren't about keeping people alive at all costs as the detractors like to claim, we are not against people passing in a natural way, as it appears happened to your grandfather. We are against an organized effort to remove our options with sanctions of the State, to kill us whether any of us like it or not. That is our fight, that is the Legacy of Terri.
It is a real fight. Look at our recent links, look at the others like Andrea Clark. If we acquiesce like sheep, we will be like the victims of Hitler's Germany once again.
That is the "death culture". Those are the "death lovers". Our "movement" is simply of people of good will against those who advocate the power to have us killed.
From Sophie Scholl, martyred by Hitler's Germany to their culture of death, "We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."
Grandfather of killjoy, Requiescant in Pace
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A good read beyond the excerpt:
"The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attach it, ignorance may deride it but in the end, there it is".
Such it is in the Terri Schindler Schiavo case.
COMMENTARY - Convincing Evidence
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Terri on the road to recovery before the second stage began.
MICHAEL Smerconish recently devoted a column to our reaction to his participation in a seminar at Penn concerning Terri Schiavo.
We wrote that the seminar "celebrated the death of Terri Schiavo." He objected.
In March 2005, at the request of her husband, a Florida judge ordered that Terri Schiavo be denied liquids and food until death. Many Americans protested this incredible cruelty, but 13 days later, she died.
This was not a case of foolishly keeping a dead person alive through the use of a machine. Terri was not dying or ill. She had been injured by cardiac arrest. She responded to care and a feeding tube was used to supply the nutrition and hydration required by all of us.
Letters | Response on Terri Schiavo
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