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Buying carry pistol while I still can, want advice
March 16, 2009 | Not Your Mother

Posted on 03/16/2009 7:13:58 PM PDT by notyourmother

I'm going to buy a gun before Obama makes it much harder to do so. I'm really leaning towards a .45 ACP so ammo is interchangeable with my family and for stopping power. There's a reason the big boys don't use 9mm. I want a short-barreled gun, suitable for concealing carrying. My price range is under $800, ideally under $600. I'm really, really leaning towards a double action with internal hammer, I don't want to have to cock it or worry about the hammer getting caught on clothing in an emergency situation. Two more things that is preferable, but not absolutely necessary, would be a 1911 frame, and high capacity clip.

SO basically I'm asking if anyone has a favorite make/model that they'd recommend with the above things in mind, (especially reliability!).

Thank you!


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1 posted on 03/16/2009 7:13:58 PM PDT by notyourmother
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To: notyourmother

Just my most very humble opinion.......

Glock 30 in .45 ACP and Glock 27 in .40 S&W. Both of them can carry 10-11 rounds nicely, and are very compact.


2 posted on 03/16/2009 7:16:27 PM PDT by BigBlueJon ("And shepherds we shall be....For Thee, my Lord, for Thee....")
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To: notyourmother
Advice?

Buy two.

3 posted on 03/16/2009 7:18:09 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: notyourmother

357 snubbie revolver, then you can also shoot 38special(+p) etc.
Simplicity itself.

For a pistol, try the Springfield XD; about in that price range.

Good hunting :)


4 posted on 03/16/2009 7:18:12 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: BigBlueJon

and....Now that I’ve actually read the rest of your post, I like the Springfield Armory 1911’s. They are carrying a compact 3” Gov’t model also.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=14


5 posted on 03/16/2009 7:20:06 PM PDT by BigBlueJon ("And shepherds we shall be....For Thee, my Lord, for Thee....")
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To: notyourmother

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVmNcqVqWI&feature=related


6 posted on 03/16/2009 7:20:22 PM PDT by Krankor (Vitajex, whatcha doin' to me.)
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To: notyourmother

I would recommend a .45ACP revolver... Smith and Wesson makes a nice one.

You get ammunition flexibility.... No difficulty in feeding hollowpoints, and even potential to shoot .45 GAP rounds if there is a shortage.

Moon clips, either half or full give you fast reloads.


7 posted on 03/16/2009 7:22:05 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: notyourmother

You may want to consider the Taurus Judge. It is a .45 caliber that also shoots .410 shotgun shells. It is a very high quality revolver that you can get in various barrel lengths.


8 posted on 03/16/2009 7:22:24 PM PDT by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: notyourmother

I just recently purchased a ParaOrdnance Warthawg. It’s a compact .45 with a 10 rnd magazine and a 3 1/2 inch barrel. After putting 500 rnds through the muzzle to loosen it up, I’m very happy with this weapon. I have 2 .357 revolvers and 2 Glock model 22s, and this for me is the ideal CCW.


9 posted on 03/16/2009 7:26:55 PM PDT by cgchief
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To: notyourmother
.32 Mag is pretty sweet for the price. The hollow tip shells go in as a little hole and come out a big one. I have a little revolver that is safe to carry around and hide on my secured personage.
10 posted on 03/16/2009 7:27:30 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: notyourmother

Two suggestions:

The Springfield Armory XD Subcompact - .40 Cal. I use a Tucker IWB (tuckable) holster for it and it disappears under almost any shirt.

Very sweet shooting. Grip is actually thinner than a 1911.

Also, the Kel-Tec PAF 9mm. Very thin. Pocket carry pistol. You wouldn’t want to shoot this all day, but hey! That’s not what you want a carry gun for anyway, right?

Chasaway


11 posted on 03/16/2009 7:28:03 PM PDT by Chasaway (There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness")
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To: All
As an older lady, I would suggest you TRY these guns first at a range....these calibers can "kick" more than you might want. Just a thought....get something you can easily handle.
12 posted on 03/16/2009 7:29:25 PM PDT by Birdlady
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To: cgchief

I liked the Para except it seemed heavy for all day carry.
Chose the H&K P200SK. And have the 13 rnd P2000 mag with adapter. Solves the shorter SK handle issue and adds 3 rounds. 9MM for lower cost shooting.


13 posted on 03/16/2009 7:30:33 PM PDT by Swanks
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To: notyourmother
I MEANT PF-9, for the Kel-Tec.

Boom.

14 posted on 03/16/2009 7:30:42 PM PDT by Chasaway (There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness")
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To: notyourmother
This is a mixed bag insofar as your requirements, but one I covet regardless - The Taurus Judge:

5 shot. 3" barrel. Chambers .45 Colt and .410 Magnum shotshells - simultaneously, if you choose. 36 oz. $608.00.

I wantone.


15 posted on 03/16/2009 7:31:14 PM PDT by Viking2002 (The Occupation has begun. God help America.)
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To: knarf

Buy three send me one


16 posted on 03/16/2009 7:31:18 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: notyourmother
CZ RAMI in 40 SW


17 posted on 03/16/2009 7:32:48 PM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: notyourmother

If you haven’t bought a gun yet for home defense or carrying in your car, you had better start with that before you think you’re going to carry a .45 Auto with you every day.

The big boys do carry 9MM in our military. The problem is they are restricted to fully jacketed bullets. You aren’t.

The barrel length isn’t be problem with concealment. It’s the grip frame.

If you’re new at this, you’re better off with a .38/.357 revolver with a shrouded hammer.


18 posted on 03/16/2009 7:35:41 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: notyourmother
There's a reason the big boys don't use 9mm.

You should just get it over with and get a Glock tomorrow. Get it in .45 GAP to cement your genius. You'll fit right in with the lowest IQ firearm owners group in America.

Internal hammer.
Wants a "double action" that one doesn't have to cock.
High capacity "clip."


How ever do those pansies in the US NAVY SEALS get by with their lowly, hammer fired 9mms?

Run, don't walk, and become a stereotypical Glock owner ASAP please.
19 posted on 03/16/2009 7:36:53 PM PDT by Goldsborough (Non Sibi)
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To: Krankor

20 posted on 03/16/2009 7:37:15 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (Hey. I can quote myself.)
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To: Wpin

Not really. It’s an inaccurate .45 and a poor substitute for a good shotgun.


21 posted on 03/16/2009 7:38:26 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

And its HUGE


22 posted on 03/16/2009 7:39:32 PM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: notyourmother
.357 / .38 Revolver

Welcome to FreeRepublic

23 posted on 03/16/2009 7:39:53 PM PDT by Bi-ped Carbon Unit (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: notyourmother
How about a ride to go with it?


24 posted on 03/16/2009 7:40:58 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: notyourmother

SigArms. “To hell and back reliability.” is one of their mottos. Many models available. Sigarms.com.


25 posted on 03/16/2009 7:43:02 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (Democrats are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.)
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To: notyourmother

CZ 75 P01 9mm (think they avail in .40 and .45 but not sure)

Best auto pistol I own out of five of them. Became my daily carry, not counting times I’m limited to a mouse gun.


26 posted on 03/16/2009 7:43:20 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: notyourmother
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Sig Sauer P250 compact available in 9, .40s&w, .357sig and .45acp

You will need to spend the better part of that $800 budget but its worth it.

Go try out a few to get your best feel but if you want my advice, be sure to test drive a Sig

27 posted on 03/16/2009 7:44:57 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: notyourmother

The latest version of Beretta’s rotating lockup pistol is called a PX4 or some such, available on gunbroker.com for around 550. That wold be a heavy caliber pistol which was basically accurate.


28 posted on 03/16/2009 7:46:02 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Wpin

.45/410? Doesn’t the shot damage the rifling?


29 posted on 03/16/2009 7:49:09 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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To: notyourmother

Have you actually fired any of these weapons?

Please don’t mind my asking, but are you a man or a woman? What size are you? What shape are you in? Athletic, sedentary, etc.

In other words are you capable of shooting a .45 and do you think it’s necessary? Do you think a .9mm can’t stop the average perp? Are you being stalked by The Hulk, Superman or Rambo?

I believe that most gunfights are within 15 feet and over in a few seconds.

Go to a range that rents guns and try out different ones and find one that you’re comfortable with.

I don’t know if you need to worry about “stopping power” Most criminals will flee upon just seeing a gun. Read John Lott’s book, “More Guns, Less Crime”. Most criminals will flee if they see ANY gun pointed at them. Most perps leave without the gun being fired. Fewer are actually shot, fewer still actually killed.

Guns are a deterant to most criminals. I hope you never have to shoot anyone.

I wouldn’t even want to be shot with a .22, .25, .32, .38, .357, .9mm, .40 much less a .45. Point a .22 at me and I’ll leave the premises.

Are you being stalked by Godzilla?

Auto loading pistols use magazines, not “clips”.


30 posted on 03/16/2009 7:50:43 PM PDT by garyhope (It's world war IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam. VRWC. TWP.)
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To: notyourmother
There's a reason the big boys don't use 9mm.

That's nonsense. .45 has a big advantage over 9mm for soldiers who must use non-expanding full metal jacket bullets, but for civilians who can carry modern hollow points, the difference is far narrower. Especially when you consider the lower recoil and quicker recovery time between shots with a good 9mm. A hit with a 9mm hollow point is going to do a lot more damage than a miss by a .45. Also, you can get pistols with up to 19 rounds of 9mm in the magazine. Try that in a .45.

Don't get me wrong, .45 is a wonderful caliber too. But your comment above is just silly.

31 posted on 03/16/2009 7:51:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: notyourmother
There's a few problems with your first post here.....

Thus I am gonna wait and see what follows.............

32 posted on 03/16/2009 7:59:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
.45/410? Doesn’t the shot damage the rifling?

No, lead shot won't hurt the rifling. But the rifling will blow the shot pattern.

33 posted on 03/16/2009 8:03:05 PM PDT by cayuga (Not all morons voted for 0bama, but all 0bama voters are morons.)
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To: cayuga
If it ruins the pattern, what's it good for, very close-range rattlesnake protection?
34 posted on 03/16/2009 8:04:03 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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To: notyourmother
Unless you are ABSOLUTELY you can take another persons life do not carry a gun. If you do:

Two in the chest, one in the head shoot that F'er till he's dead.

You want the jury to only hear your story.

Go to a range that rents guns and try them out. I prefer several but it is ALL what you can handle and deal with. A revolver is best for the not mechanically inclined.

35 posted on 03/16/2009 8:05:42 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Goldsborough
Lol thank you. My son just left for the sandbox. He did 13 years in the Army SF to D-boy. He is scary with a Beretta 92.
36 posted on 03/16/2009 8:08:22 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: notyourmother

A carry weapon is only good if you carry it. Look at the Kel-Tec P380 loaded with cor-bon DPX. It’s small and will get you out of a jam.


37 posted on 03/16/2009 8:09:10 PM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: Chasaway; everyone

Hey, thanks for the good advice everyone!

Yeah, about the judge, good for snakes is what a friend who owns one says. For actual .45’s it’s not very accurate.


38 posted on 03/16/2009 8:09:14 PM PDT by notyourmother
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To: notyourmother

Look at a Sig P220 Carry or a P245 if you can find a clean, used one. Nothing wrong with a Glock 30 as mentioned above but a tad too think for a “carry” gun.


39 posted on 03/16/2009 8:10:30 PM PDT by ATLDiver
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To: notyourmother

Any of the conceal carry LDA models from Para if you can find any of them, but you will have a hard time finding one at that price. Kimber has nice conceal carry single action models you should look at (again if you can find one).


40 posted on 03/16/2009 8:11:26 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: notyourmother

Springfield XD in .40, buy a extra barrel in 9mm and .357 Sig. You’ll be able to shoot 3 calibers in one platform. A cheap but effective 9mm and a hard hitting .357 sig for punching through barriers and the .40 sits right in the middle.


41 posted on 03/16/2009 8:11:31 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Travis McGee

He/she specified .45 for compatibility with other guns in the family. So it makes no sense to talk this person into getting something else. A .45 is fine.


42 posted on 03/16/2009 8:16:48 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: notyourmother
Check out the Kahr PM45 3.50 barrel, 45APC, thin.

My brother (a LEO) just told me about this and it appears to be what I am looking for, perhaps you too?


43 posted on 03/16/2009 8:19:31 PM PDT by SERE_DOC (Today's politicians, living proof why we have and need a second amendment to the constitution.)
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To: notyourmother
I'm a 1911 fan, but shot placement is everything, and if you can put a 9mm SJHP in the appropriate location you'll find it perfectly adequate. I carry depending on the circumstance, anything from a Kimber .45 ACP to a sweet little Kahr PM-9 covert that fits a pocket very nicely.

Don't forget to budget for leather. Cheap holsters will kill you.

44 posted on 03/16/2009 8:21:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: notyourmother

Carry bump!


45 posted on 03/16/2009 8:21:16 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: notyourmother

Find some really, really old guy, have him buy it for you. Let the Feds go to hell to get the paperwork.

Feces hits the air mass circulating mechanism, you don’t want your name on anything.

A few months into something and each and every police department will be calling you in to turn in what you got, or else.

You have no, zero, zip rights under martial law. You can be, upon orders of the President only, held indefinitely in prison and have all your possessions striped.


46 posted on 03/16/2009 8:24:28 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: notyourmother

I agree with Birdlady and garyhope - go to a range and try them out and get a feel for a variety of handguns.

FWIW, my primary carry guns are a Glock G23 in 40S&W and a G21 in .45ACP. I like Glocks due to their simplicity and reliability.

If you don’t like autoloaders, a Smith and Wesson 686 in .357 is hard to beat.


47 posted on 03/16/2009 8:25:59 PM PDT by fretzer
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To: garyhope
You lost all credibility when used .9mm.
48 posted on 03/16/2009 8:27:19 PM PDT by cayuga (Not all morons voted for 0bama, but all 0bama voters are morons.)
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To: notyourmother
Beginners should start with NRA Certified training

I would recommend training from an NRA Certified Instructor in


Refuse to be a victim
NRA training for women
Basic pistol
Personal protection in the home
and the newly released
Personal protection outside the home

NRA T/C CRSO

NRA Gun Safety Rules

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use


49 posted on 03/16/2009 8:28:13 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: notyourmother

I got a Taurus 1911 .45 a couple of months ago. It isn’t “brand” name like so many on here like, but I love it. It shoots great, and has a lot of custom gunsmith features that more expensive brands don’t have. Each time I shoot it I am surprised at how smooth it feels.

It gets my vote for value!

I do have a Kimber 1911 .45 with a 3” barrel, but I like the way the Taurus shoots better.


50 posted on 03/16/2009 8:37:38 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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