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Demjanjuk trial opens in Germany
Jerusalem Post ^ | 11/30/2009 | Unattributed

Posted on 11/30/2009 10:05:19 AM PST by mojito

A German court put John Demjanjuk on trial Monday to face charges of being an accessory to the murder of 27,900 Jews at a Nazi death camp, and his lawyer immediately accused the court of bias.

The 89-year-old retired Ohio autoworker arrived at the opening of the trial in a wheelchair to face the final chapter of some 30 years of efforts to prosecute him, wearing a navy baseball cap and covered in a light blue blanket.

After the first 90-minute session, Demjanjuk was returned to the courtroom lying flat on his back on a gurney, covered in blankets.

Doctors who had examined Demjanjuk before the second session began said he had complained of serious pain and was given a shot. They ordered the session be cut short, and it wrapped up 30 minutes later.

Demjanjuk's attorney had opened the proceedings by filing a motion against the court's judge and prosecutors, accusing them of treating the Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk harsher than Germans who ran the Nazi's Sobidor death camp in occupied Poland.

Lawyer Ulrich Busch charged that the case should never have been brought to trial. He cited cases in which Germans assigned to Sobibor - where prosecutors allege Demjanjuk served as a guard - were acquitted.

"How can you say that those who gave the orders were innocent ... and the one who received the orders is guilty?" Busch told the court. "There is a moral and legal double standard being applied today."

Demjanjuk was deported in May from the United States to Germany, and has been in custody since then. He could face up to 15 years in prison if convicted.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: demjanjuk; nazi; nazism; sorbidor; ss; wwii
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To: ozzymandus
You’re pretty snotty for somebody who thinks “The World At War” is the be-all and end-all of WW2 history.

You're a lousy mind-reader too (or is it just a lousy reader?).

Maybe you should read a book or two, or at least watch another TV show before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Aw. I have a stalker. That's cute.

21 posted on 11/30/2009 11:53:38 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski

I am quite calm. But I think this whole trial is grossly unfair and incredibly outrageous. I know we are rapidly moving towards a socialist regime here at home and there is nothing the BHO regime would like more than to silence or marginalize Fox News and conservative talk radio, but we still do have freedom of speech here. I think Demjanjuk is being treated unfairly here and I have every right to speak out about it.


22 posted on 11/30/2009 11:58:31 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Petronski

You’re an uninformed mental midget who thinks he’s smart. That’s a good description of a liberal. Keep checking for typos and making snotty remarks. That’s as good as you’ll ever get, you pretentious little loser.


23 posted on 11/30/2009 11:58:44 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
You’re an uninformed mental midget who thinks he’s smart...That’s as good as you’ll ever get, you pretentious little loser.

Is this load of content-free personal attack supposed to get me to jump into your sewer with you?

24 posted on 11/30/2009 12:00:17 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Actually, the Allies declared the Waffen-SS a “criminal organization” after the war, and every SS man above the rank of captain was investigated. Since they’re all either dead, or have been tried and sentenced or acquitted, the Nazi-hunters have been reduced to prosecuting 89-yr old Ukrainians who have already been tried at least once.


25 posted on 11/30/2009 12:03:14 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
...89-yr old Ukrainians who have already been tried at least once.

On different charges, in a different jurisdiction.

26 posted on 11/30/2009 12:04:27 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski

No, it’s to tell you the truth and to inform you that I want nothing to do with you, so don’t bother with any more of your snotty ignorance.


27 posted on 11/30/2009 12:05:46 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Petronski

Oh so they couldn’t convict him of being Ivan the Terrible, let’s get him because he served as a lowly camp guard after being forcibly conscripted by the Germans. And, yes Demjanjuk was way below the rank of being captain so by their own standards not even he could be convicted merely for being a low cog in that organization. Let’s just keep making up charges until we convict him of something.

My, I wish this passion for going after aging camp guards would extend to Red China and the former USSR who slaughtered millions more people than Hitler could even dream of.

I wish this passion for going after people who entered this country illegally or on false pretenses would extend to the millions of ilegal aliens who currently reside in this country. As a resident of L.A. I can tell you that the current crop of illegals are far more dangerous than the 89 year old Demjanjuk. Many join violent street gangs, kill people, sell drugs to kids, terrorize whole neighborhoods with their hideous graffiti and gangbanging. Yet where is the passion for going after these ruthless cutthroat gangsters?

I guess it was easier rounding up a retired 89 year old great grandfather for the feds. We don’t want to give them any real work to do.


28 posted on 11/30/2009 12:19:03 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: ozzymandus

Are you gonna bark all day little reservoir dog?


29 posted on 11/30/2009 12:25:46 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle
Let’s just keep making up charges until we convict him of something.

Speak for yourself.

30 posted on 11/30/2009 12:27:06 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski

Well, that’s what this is all about isn’t it? Could not convict him of being Ivan the Terrible, so now they will convict him merely for being a camp guard. Get him for guilt by association. He has the tatoo. He must be a war criminal.

That’s what probably what will happen. They will convict him of some minor charges and give him a five year sentence—(which is tantamount to a life sentnce for 89 year old). Because he was conscripted by the Germans into their ranks and served time as a guard in a concentration camp he is guilty. The bar has been lowered.


31 posted on 11/30/2009 12:34:25 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle
Could not convict him of being Ivan the Terrible, so now they will convict him merely for being a camp guard.

Different jurisdictions.

32 posted on 11/30/2009 12:36:29 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski

Does it not seem plausible to you that the fix is already in? They are going to convict him as a camp guard, never mind that he was forcibly conscripted into the German ranks. We as Americans have always had the luxury of being protected by two great oceans. Europe, especially Eastern Europe has suffered horrendously under two equally repulsive ideologies during roughly the same period. During the 1930s, the Soviets brutally liquidated 8 million of Demjanjuk’s countrymen in the Ukraine just prior to the Nazi invasion of the USSR in June 1941. Is it any wonder that millions of the people of the USSR initially welcomed the German invaders as liberators? Of course in time the Nazi occupation proved to be as brutal as Soviet rule. But the choices were never easy. At first Demjanjuk was conscripted into the Red Army, then into the German army. But what choices were given to him? Join us or work to death in a forced labor factory? The Germans have a lot of nerve putting this man on trial. They were the ones who forced their will upon him. They have no right to try him. And reasonable and fair minded person could see this.


33 posted on 11/30/2009 12:52:19 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle

You’re wasting your time arguing with this idiot. He’s seen “The World At War” and knows everything, and if you point out his ignorance, he’ll act tough and call you names, knowing he’s safe in his mommy’s basement.


34 posted on 11/30/2009 1:01:18 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Welcome2thejungle

And because he was already taken prisoner by the Nazis, that automatically gave him a death sentence should he ever had gotten back to the Soviet Union, because by Soviet law, any Red Army soldier who allowed themselves to be taken prisoner was a traitor, by definition.


35 posted on 11/30/2009 1:04:29 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Of course, exactly. You get it. Many do not and are beyond reason.


36 posted on 11/30/2009 1:08:06 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: ozzymandus
...he’ll act tough and call you names, knowing he’s safe in his mommy’s basement.

How autobiographical...

37 posted on 11/30/2009 1:27:08 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski

Have Mommy drive you to the library and ask the nice lady there where the WW2 books are. And don’t forget to take your ritalin. before you get on the short bus.


38 posted on 11/30/2009 8:56:25 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

I have my own library, thanks.


39 posted on 12/01/2009 7:43:11 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski

Youre not fooling anyone, Petrovski...


40 posted on 12/20/2009 4:23:02 PM PST by blackminorca
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