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1 posted on 03/26/2003 8:08:18 PM PST by KQQL
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"It delayed essential attacks on Iraq's military capabilities," said Mr Peters. "This encouraged at least some Iraqis in uniform to believe they had a chance to fight and win.

Dear armchair on-the-dole retired military experts, shock and awe was designed to replace carpet bombing with prescision bombing. The book, if you take the time to stop counting your dole money and read it, is a blue print for how to use the new precision guided munitions without killing lots of innocent civilians. Are you suggesting that carpet bombing Baghdad would have been 'essential attacks on Iraq's military capabilities' ? How would old fashioned brute strength carpet bombing performed better here then prescision guided shock and awe ? Apparently you have also failed to notice that an uprising did ocur in Basra, which preceded a pullout of Iraqi troops. That small uprising apparently forced the Iraqis out into the open for another turkey shoot. Now 'Saddam' has ordered all his thugs to shoot any Iraqi who does not fight Americans. How long do you armchair on-the-dole retired military experts think the Iraqi people will put up with that ?

139 posted on 03/26/2003 9:25:12 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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Wesley Clark

Who cares what is said by an 'military officer' who couldn't tell the difference between real and cardboard-cutout tanks?

140 posted on 03/26/2003 9:25:37 PM PST by jimkress
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Is there anyone who is actually proud of Kosovo? Our boys did their job, but what job, exactly, was it?

Of all the people involved one would expect Clintoon to brag about it without cease. I can't think of a word he's said. Perhaps he has, but if he really meant it, we'd all know. I don't know it.
154 posted on 03/26/2003 9:36:06 PM PST by nicollo
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Sorry to be graphic, but Wesley Clark isn't fit to clean Rummy's toilet!!

We're lucky to have Rumsfeld--you can call him arrogant. I don't think so. I think he is just very very competent, and therefore self-confident. That's not the same as arrogant. I love the way he handles the treacherous boobs & idiots in the Pentagon cess pool, er press pool?

159 posted on 03/26/2003 9:38:58 PM PST by Babu
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162 posted on 03/26/2003 9:42:37 PM PST by nutmeg (Liberate Iraq - Support Our Troops!)
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WESLEY CLARK, YOU A$$HOLE!


166 posted on 03/26/2003 9:47:34 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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Did anyone see Brit's show Wed nite? The last 10 minutes showed a LIVE cutaway to Rummy and Gen. Myers answering questions after emerging from a long meeting with Senators. Rummy looked drained and cowed and deferred most of the questions to Myers. He was a totally different man from the one who reigned supreme over press conferences since 9/11. I despise Wesley Clark, who butchered 4,000 Serb civilians in support of the gangster Kosovars. But McCaffrey is straight up and if sources are correct Rummy may be getting quite an earful in the halls of power.
282 posted on 03/26/2003 11:06:36 PM PST by montag813
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Oh yeah, I'll bet Rummy is just lying awake at night worrying about what Wesley the Clerk thinks.
346 posted on 03/26/2003 11:43:55 PM PST by wcbtinman (Not from 'my cold dead hands', but from your's.)
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The worst part about this plan is that they are going overboard in trying to protect Iraqi civilians and in doing so, creating additional risk for our fighting men and women.

Dubya is dealing with two motivations here; "responsibility" and a "noble cause".  The problem is that he is letting the lesser interfere with the greater.

Before going any further, I should state that I think that Dubya has done 1000% better than would have algore or dashole and 10,000% better than bil or hillary.  But then,I thing that most people realize that he wouldn't have to do much to achieve that record.  On the other hand, his plan leaves a lot to be desired.

Noble Cause

It is a noble cause to try to limit collateral damage and avoid casualties to Iraqi civilians.  It's something that I would applaud Dubya for, if he were to do it within the bounds of his responsibility.

Responsibility

It is one of the President's primary responsibilities, as Commander in Chief, to protect American citizens.  That's why we are in Iraq in the first place and I do applaud him for that.  If we don't take Sadam out, he will most certainly supply WMD's to terrorists, who will use them against American citizens (and others), so Dubya is fulfilling his responsibility to American citizens by attacking Iraq.  But where he fails in in the way that he is proceeding.

It is not Dubya's responsibility to protect Iraqi civilians.  It is a noble cause.  But, the President's responsibility lies elsewhere.  As long as he can achieve his noble cause without increasing the risk to American citizens, then that is a good thing.  But, when he allows his noble cause to increase the risk to American citizens, he is abrogating his responsibility as Commander in Chief.  This is the problem.

Soldiers Are American Citizens, Too.

In the first 24 hours of "Shock and Awe" we dropped three times as many bombs as were dropped in all of Desert Storm.  Furthermore, most of the bombs dropped in Desert storm were dumb ordinance, where everything that was dropped in that first day of "Shock and Awe" was smart ordinance.  Yet, with all of that smart ordinance, why is it that we were unable to destroy even half as much as those dumb bombs destroyed in Desert Storm?  After that much precision ordinance was delivered, why is so much of the Iraqi command and control still functioning?  Why are there any anti-aircraft and missile batteries still functioning in Iraq?  It's because Gen. Franks is having to live with a political (not military) decision from Dubya, where Dubya places his noble cause above his responsibility, which places our troops (US citizens) at unnecessary additional risk.

I'm not saying that we should not be trying to limit collateral damage.  We should be trying to limit collateral damage.  But, when trying to limit collateral damage, costs the life of even one soldier, then we have gone too far.  Those soldiers are over there fighting for you and me.  I think that it's safe to say that almost every one of them is prepared to give his or her life to defend American civilians, if need be.  But, I doubt that any of them is willing to die because we failed to take out a real military target, for no better reason than to save the lives of a few Iraqi civilians.

With our new ordinance, we can adjust the load and target so well, that we could take out an anti-aircraft or missiles battery located on the northwest corner of the roof of a hospital or school, without hurting anyone who was not on the top floor of that building and in that corner.  That's limiting collateral damage.  Sure, 10 or 12 Iraqi civilians might be killed in such an attack.  But, such a battery is a valid military target, that needs to be taken out, to protect our pilots - pilots, who Dubya should be more concerned with protecting, than protecting Iraqi civilians.

FACT:  Even if we were to be able to prosecute this whole war without a single Iraqi civilian casualty, those in the Arab world who hate us today, would still hate us at the end of the war.  Nothing we do can change that.

The only reason for trying to limit Iraqi civilian casualties is because it's a noble cause, not because the Arab world will view us differently.  But, such a noble cause should not be at the expense of the life of even one of our brave fighting men and women.  More importantly, it is the President's responsibility to do whatever he can to protect those fighting men and women, whenever possible, even at the expense of some limited collateral damage and Iraqi civilian casualties.

It seems that Dubya is more interested in looking good, by achieving the noble cause of limiting Iraqi civilian casualties, than in fulfilling his sworn responsibility, by providing directives to his generals, that will most limit American soldier casualties.

I'm proud of Dubya for standing up to the UN and going into Iraq in the first place.  But, I am appalled that he would have our military avoid certain valid targets, thus increasing the risk to our soldiers, for no better reason than to save a few Iraqi civilians.  Dubya is placing his noble cause above his sworn responsibility and that's wrong and it is costing the lives of brave American soldiers.

It's time to take the gloves off.

 

362 posted on 03/26/2003 11:58:27 PM PST by Action-America (The next country to invade Europe has to keep France!)
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Write off Clark! Everytime he exposes himself on CNN he hurts his Presidentail campaign. No heft, no gravitas. As Chi Chi says . . "All hat. . no cattle". Does he really think hanging out with Aaron Brown can get him above 35%? His campaign is already over, he just doesn't know it. Vice President? He brings nobody to the dance.
410 posted on 03/27/2003 12:58:31 AM PST by Swampmarine
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Barry McCaffery and Wesley Clark have always been dangerous clowns, so I have to ask the rhetorical question:

Is this news to anyone?

418 posted on 03/27/2003 2:56:12 AM PST by ravinson
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Hey Clarkie, your time at bat and record of failures speaks volumes of your expertise and credibility. You and Billy Clintoooon made a shambles of our Armed Forces, so instead of running for the Presidency, just go away and enjoy your knee pads!
433 posted on 03/27/2003 4:40:12 AM PST by leprechaun9
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What??? He sent in LESS troops- endangered FEWER lives- and is getting criticized?? The left has lost its mind!
445 posted on 03/27/2003 7:25:13 AM PST by lawgirl (Running from the Grand Ennui)
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"Wesley Clark said Mr Rumsfeld's insistence on a smaller invasion force had left troops vulnerable and the 300-mile oil supply line between Kuwait and Basra open to guerilla attack."

Turkey's abandonment at the last second has been the single most detriment to our forces.

Put the blame on Turkey - where it belongs!

Their Islamic stubborness and not allowing our northern flank to come through has cost American lives.

459 posted on 03/27/2003 9:07:29 AM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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The important thing to note is that this is the perfumed prince who couldn't competently deploy Task Force Hawk into the theater.
460 posted on 03/27/2003 9:08:36 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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Good God, we're less than a week into this, and we are basically surrounding Baghdad, and we OWN the airfields.
474 posted on 03/27/2003 9:16:09 PM PST by seams2me
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Wesley Clark ? I'll pass .

But thank you all for the laughter in advance ;)

478 posted on 03/28/2003 8:17:11 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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