Rev. Moon holds coronation at Capitol

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 14, 2004 | WorldNetDaily.com

[Cronos]

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[Grim]

Grim,Do you beleive him?Who is he,I thought he said he was the 2nd Christ.

Moon says that at age 15 Jesus appeared to him and asked him to complete his mission of salvation for mankind. He teaches that God's original plan was for the Israelites to unite with Jesus.

Jesus was called satanic, a blasphemer, his own family wondered if he'd lost his mind. Devout jews were outraged when Jesus said he was the Son of God. He told the people, in direct contradiction to the ten commandments, that if they honor their parents more than they honored him, they weren't qualified for the kingdom of heaven. This infuriated the believers at the time.

Moon teaches that throughout history God has sent prophets and saints to raise humanity back to the original position before the fall of man. Jesus was entirely different, though. Jesus was God's son, in other words, his blood descendant. This was a first in providential history.

Unfortunately, the people did not believe in him. Consequently he was seized by the Romans and executed. Jesus suffered and died willingly. But his death was not the original plan.

Jesus said things at the time that seemed to contradict the old testament. He was, in fact, the fulfillment of the Old Testament. I don't understand why people react with hostility when someone comes along with new ideas. Christians especially love to fight with one another. Why else would there be 1200 different denominations now? Even Islam isn't that fractured.

Rev. Moon said that it was never his intention to found a new religion. His goal has been to re-unite christianity and finish the work Jesus started. Ultimately, that is every Christian's mission.

[fatima]

Grim,Thank you for your honest answer,God bless you,fatima

[Havoc]

The Abomination of Desolation is not yet come.. but, it will in due season.

[Havoc]

And that is why Jerusalem was destroyed and the minds of the Israelites closed to Christ - because at his entry to Jerusalem, they should have known who he was and did not.

[joesnuffy]

Founder along with son...of Kahr Firearms as well

His Daughter in Law has some interesting facts about a highly "disfunctional family"

Young Jin Moon suicide

[hosepipe]

[ Dude, that's deep. What's it mean? ]

I suppose that-->> Master baiting is beyond you...

[Mr. Mojo]

The Rev.'s son Justin is one of the finest gunmakers in the world today, owning Kahr Arms. The Kahr K9 (9mm) is a brilliant creation -- as comfortable to hold and fire as a Browning Hi-Power, as concealable as a Walther PPK, and utterly reliable and accurate. ......and ALL steel.

[A.J.Armitage]

I don't understand why people react with hostility when someone comes along with new ideas.

Mohammed came along with new ideas. So did Joseph Smith, and the chick who founded the 7th Day Adventists, and Jim Jones, and Benny Hinn, and Marcion, and whoever started Catharism, etc, etc, etc. Which new ideas do you jump on as the new revelation just like Jesus brought, and which do you reject?

[Grim]

Which new ideas do you jump on as the new revelation just like Jesus brought, and which do you reject?

Good point. Note that at the time of Jesus, the orthodox and the most learned rejected Jesus. Those who followed him were not scholars, but simple folk, fisherman, common men and women. For the establishment religious leaders, their knowledge was an obstacle to understanding Jesus.

Rev. Moon says that John the Baptist was the biggest obstacle to Jesus. John was a popular figure at the time with thousands of followers. His father was a leader in the temple.

Although he testified to Jesus at the River Jordan, he did not unite with Jesus and while in prison sent followers to ask Jesus if he was the promised one. Jesus was John's cousin and he must have heard the rumors about Jesus. John was a big shot and Jesus, at the time, was a nobody. He should have been Jesus' 1st disciple but he went his own way, got entangled in some stupid affair and lost his life.

So the question... how to know when a new idea is genuinely from God is a good one. Orthodoxy, knowledge, position and power were obstacles at the time of Jesus. The ones who saw Jesus for what he was were humble and sincere. Humility, sincerity and prayer are the only way to sort things out.

[john gorenfeld]

Hi, this is John Gorenfeld, author of the original article on Moon, and a guest today on Joe Farah's show. I'm glad people at Free Republic are paying attention to this important story. Here are some things to consider:

1) Moon's New Age religious beliefs may be entirely valid, and he and his followers have a right to practice them. Certainly, however, Americans ought to know about it when their Congressmen hold an event on federal property claiming to unite Christianity in the name of the United Nations.

2) The event was the grand finale of a "tear down the cross" tour of over 100 American churches. Again, a lot of taxpayers might have strong opinions about a campaign to remove the symbol of Christianity from church walls, which goes a lot further than anything the ACLU ever thought up. For some reason it wasn't covered in the press.

3) Keep in mind we're talking about a guy who talks about whomping his followers with a baseball bat.

So all of this is, I think, really interesting and everyone in America ought to know as much as possible about the heavy hitters who influence their political lives, whether it's George Soros or Reverend Moon. For some reason, hardly anyone knows about this Moon stuff, and the press never writes about him.

By the way, the phrase King of Peace seems to originate from the seventh chapter of Hebrews. It refers to a king/priest who helped out Abraham, and who is often read as a foreshadowing of Jesus. (Nothing about whomping people with a Louisville Slugger, though.)

Thanks for reading.

John

[exile]

Did he get his crown at Burger King?

[john gorenfeld]

Oh, and as for that book, "Inquisition," Frontline talked to some people in 1992 and this is what they found out about it. They found out that a close aide to Moon had reviewed the text of the book, suggested changes, and made sure it was to Moon's likings. "Mr. Sherwood has assured me that all this will be done when the manuscript is sent to the publisher." Gavin concludes by telling Moon, "When all of our suggestions have been incorporated, the book will be complete and in my opinion will make a significant impact.... In addition to silencing our critics now, the book should be invaluable in persuading others of our legitimacy for many years to come."

[Grim]

Here are some things to consider:

1) ... Americans ought to know about it when their Congressmen hold an event on federal property claiming to unite Christianity in the name of the United Nations.

I haven't been able yet to locate a statement or press release from Moon's organization. Thus far I have only your somewhat slanted report of the event.

So, Moon holds a public meeting in a public place and you don't think public servants (congressmen) should attend. "..claiming to unite Christianity in the name of the United Nations." Sounds like you're mis-representing the theme of the event.

2) Again, a lot of taxpayers might have strong opinions about a campaign to remove the symbol of Christianity from church walls, which goes a lot further than anything the ACLU ever thought up.

I'm sure they got a permit from the Parks Dept. and paid a fee for the use of the hall. Feel better?

Actually, it was civil rights activist and entertainer Dick Gregory who first suggested taking down crosses from the churchs 30 years ago. He pointed out the absurdity of the cross as a symbol of christianity by suggesting that if Christ came today, he'd be put to death in an electric chair. Thereafter churchs would have electric chairs on their steeples and believers would wear little electric chairs around their necks.

Moon has been saying for over 50 years that the cross was not part of Jesus' original plan. As you can imagine, this is just one of his views that alienates christians.

3) Keep in mind we're talking about a guy who talks about whomping his followers with a baseball bat.

He didin't actually hit anyone with a baseball bat did he?

For some reason, hardly anyone knows about this Moon stuff, and the press never writes about him.

You're kidding right? Where've you been for the last 30 years?

John, I actuallly enjoyed reading your article. Yes, it has conventional Moon-bashing but at least you were civil about it.

It would be more rare and original if you took the time to find your way past the conventional wisdom and write something less superficial.

I can only recommend you to a brilliant biography by Carlton Sherwood :    

Inquisition

In 1984, investigative reporter Sherwood accepted a job with the Washington Times, which was owned and operated by the Unification Church, itself founded and led by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon who had just been convicted on federal charges of tax evasion and conspiracy and sentenced to 18 months in prison. Instead of the corruption, scandal, and hypocrisy Sherwood expected to uncover, be found a very different story--the story of how the American prosecutorial system can be abused to persecute a religion and its leader.

A shocking example of how easily prejudice can run roughshod over fairness and basic decency. This account of a contemporary witchhunt reads like a novel. Its clear that Moon's real sin was being Asian, grabbing the loyalty of a lot of middle class white kids, preaching interpretations different from conventional Christianity and being a little too fired up about God, anti-communism and chastity for people's taste. This vividly chronicles how Moon was railroaded into jail.

At any rate, best of luck.

[njardine]

If you would like to see the Unification Church's presentation of the event, here is a link to their website. Then you will see that what John Gorenfeld posted on his blog is true.

[Grim]

If you would like to see the Unification Church's presentation of the event, here is a link to their website. Then you will see that what John Gorenfeld posted on his blog is true.

Thanks for the link. All I see on the site are photos of the event and this title:

Ambassadors for Peace Awards
Forging a Path to Reconciliation and Peace
March 23, 2004 - Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, DC

What Gorenfeld posted to me was "Americans ought to know about it when their Congressmen hold an event on federal property claiming to unite Christianity in the name of the United Nations."

This is blatantly untrue. The theme of the event was "Forging a Path to Reconciliation and Peace." Moon is getting muslims and jews to hug each other. Is that a problem for you?

Look at the photo. That's a rabbi and an imam hugging. That photo is practically a miracle in and of itself. Does Gorenfeld mention this on his blog? No, but we heard that Moon wore a "campy" gown and he allegedly threatened his followers with a baseball bat.

[RnMomof7]

In the meantime we have moon :>)

[RnMomof7]

. If Jesus was God, then who was he praying to when he cried out on the cross... " Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"–which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[ 27:46 Psalm 22:1]

The Father ( but you have to believe in the Trinity to get that )

He cried out that prayer for us that are separated by our sin, the sin He was the propitiation for.

He bore our sins and our transgressions

[A.J.Armitage]

Orthodoxy, knowledge, position and power were obstacles at the time of Jesus.

So, I guess, we in our own time are to be heterodox and ignorant. Forget all that stuff about "study to show thyself approved" and "with all thy getting get understanding".

Joe Smith also attracted the ignorant. Jim Jones: appealed to some of the ignorant, humble, and sincere. Benny Hinn: appeals to some of the ignorant, humble, and sincere. You obviously like Moon. Tell me, on the basis of what you've said, why is Moon preferable to Benny Hinn? Do you even have a reason?