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I Am A Conservative Christian, And The Religious Right Scares Me
Constitution Party National Website ^ | 12/15/2004 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 01/03/2005 2:56:16 PM PST by cougar_mccxxi

I Am A Conservative Christian, And The Religious Right Scares Me

by Chuck Baldwin

For those readers who are unfamiliar with my biography (http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.sketch.html), let me here provide a thumbnail sketch of my conservative bona fides:

I attended, graduated, or received degrees from fundamentalist Christian schools such as Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, Michigan, Thomas Road Bible Institute (now known as Liberty Bible Institute at Liberty University) in Lynchburg, Virginia, Christian Bible College in Rocky Mount, North Carolina, and Trinity Baptist College in Jacksonville, Florida.

I am currently in my thirtieth year as the Senior Pastor of the Crossroad Baptist Church (Independent) in Pensacola, Florida. I was the Executive Director of the Florida Moral Majority in the early 1980's. I was an active member of the local Christian Coalition.

I have marched and protested against abortion clinics. I have led several pro-life rallies and even led our church to construct A Memorial To Aborted Babies (http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/abortion_crosses.html). I have conducted small and large (some drawing crowds numbering in the thousands) pro-life, pro-family rallies and meetings in the Pensacola area and in many towns and cities across the state of Florida.

When Ronald Reagan was running for President, I helped Dr. Jerry Falwell register more than fifty thousand new conservative voters in my state. I have attended White House functions with former President Reagan and former Vice President George H.W. Bush.

I supported and defended Chief Justice Roy Moore and his fight to display a Ten Commandments monument at a pro-Ten Commandments rally in Montgomery, Alabama and even on national television.

I am an annual member of the National Rifle Association and a life member of Gun Owners of America. I have been the featured speaker at several pro-Second Amendment rallies.

No one can honestly question my commitment to pro-life, pro- family, conservative causes. That being said, the Religious Right, as it now exists, scares me.

For one reason, on the whole, the Religious Right has obviously and patently become little more than a propaganda machine for the Republican Party in general and for President G.W. Bush in particular. This is in spite of the fact that both Bush and the Republican Party in Washington, D.C., have routinely ignored and even trampled the very principles which the Religious Right claims to represent.

Therefore, no longer does the Religious Right represent conservative, Christian values. Instead, they represent their own self-serving interests at the expense of those values.

It also appears painfully obvious to me that in order to sit at the king's table, the Religious Right is willing to compromise any principle, no matter how sacred. As such, it has become a hollow movement. Sadly, the Religious Right is now a movement without a cause, except the cause of advancing the Republican Party.

Beyond that, the Religious Right is actively assisting those who would destroy our freedoms. On the whole, the Religious Right comports with those within the Bush administration and within the Republican Party who, in the name of "fighting terrorism," are actually terrorizing constitutional protections of our liberties.

The Religious Right offered virtually no resistance to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the passage of the Patriot Act, or the recently created position of National Intelligence Director. Neither did the Religious Right offer even a whimper of protest as President Bush and Republicans in Congress created a first-ever national ID card in the new intelligence bill, which eerily has more in common with early Twentieth Century German and Russian intelligence institutions than anything envisioned by America's Founding Fathers.

Another disconcerting feature of today's Religious Right is its attempt to Christianize political entities which it supports and to demonize political entities which it opposes. This trend is especially scary.

When people are told that they are voting "Christian" by voting for Republican Party candidates, it is being intimated that they are voting non-Christian by voting for any other candidate. This is not only silly on its face, it is downright dangerous!

I don't remember anyone saying people voted "Christian" when they elected the outspoken Christian candidate, Jimmy Carter, President. Yet, Carter, in his personal life, demonstrated as much, if not more, Christianity than does George W. Bush. If you recall, Carter even taught Sunday School in a Southern Baptist Church while President.

However, in spite of the fact that President Bush and the Republican Party in Washington, D.C., have repeatedly supported copious unchristian (not to mention unconstitutional) programs and policies, Christians act as if Bush and his fellow Republicans have ushered in the Millennial Kingdom.

More than that, the Religious Right appears to believe that G.W. Bush is the anointed vicar of Christ. But instead of wearing the garb of a religious leader, he wears the shroud of a politico and a military commander-in-chief.

As such, in the minds of the Religious Right, Bush's war in Iraq is a holy crusade. America is fast taking on the shape of the old Holy Roman Empire and President Bush is quickly morphing into a modern day Caesar.

The willingness of the Religious Right to give President Bush king-like subservience is easily seen in the way they demonize anyone who dares to oppose him. This is very unnerving.

Are we heading for a modern day religious inquisition, this one led not by the Catholic Church but by the Religious Right? Are we witnessing the type of marriage between Church and State that America's founders originally feared?

I used to believe that liberals were paranoid for being fearful of conservative Christians gaining political power. Now, I share their trepidation.

Of course, the sad truth is, neither George W. Bush nor the Republican Party in Washington, D.C. represents genuine Christian or even conservative principles. If they did, they would take their oaths to the Constitution seriously and then neither liberals nor conservatives would have anything to fear, for the U.S. Constitution protects the rights and freedoms of all men.

Unfortunately, when the seed of Bush's unconstitutional policies come to fruition, it will produce large scale fallout economically, socially, and politically. And sadder still will be that, instead of blaming Bush's infidelity to constitutional government and conservative principles, people will blame Christianity and conservatism itself. The result of this miscalculation will doubtless be a massive tide of support for more and greater unconstitutional government, but only under a different name.

Chuck Baldwin


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To: MarkeyD
I'm a conservative atheist and the far left scares me.

I'm a Christian, Agnostic Atheist and everybody scares me.......... :)

61 posted on 01/03/2005 3:20:53 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Michigan's last great flock of penguins left for the west coast in 1823 never to be heard from again)
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To: wmileo

LOL

all smiles...


62 posted on 01/03/2005 3:20:57 PM PST by Idisarthur
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To: cougar_mccxxi

I work for the circus, and clowns scare me.


63 posted on 01/03/2005 3:21:00 PM PST by glock rocks ( Remember - Only YOU can prevent FReepathons. - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: LiteKeeper

UpChuck is less a conservative, and more a Bush-hater.


64 posted on 01/03/2005 3:21:04 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: Howlin
Why pick on Donald Duck?

Baldwin evokes a mental picture of him, comically sputtering with rage.

65 posted on 01/03/2005 3:21:05 PM PST by dighton
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To: cougar_mccxxi
No one can honestly question my commitment to pro-life, pro- family, conservative causes.

That being said, the Religious Right, as it now exists, scares me.

All that being said, I would be interested in how many individuals have you personally led to Christ simply because all this other garbage is simply just that when compared to the value of just one converted sinner.

You must be a very committed Christian and I would not be surprised if the number of conversions you, in God's eyes you are responsible for, would likely number in the hundreds.

After all as Paul said to his converts "you are my glory and my crown in the presence of Jesus Christ".

And not how many voters were added to Jerry Falwell's and other politically active far right Christian leaders voter rolls, all that is but dung(works)(KJV)!

66 posted on 01/03/2005 3:22:45 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: siunevada
Independent Baptist are notoriously legalistic. I would bet that he is referring to Southern Baptist as the religious right.
67 posted on 01/03/2005 3:23:07 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: SittinYonder

Hi. My point in posting this is to provoke intelligent thought, reflection and conversation. I have responded as you have asked a very logical and important question, not just thrown insults or inappropriate comments up.

The reason I posted this is because I read the Constitutional party's platform and was impressed with its content as well as the article. Check it out and see what you think.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php


68 posted on 01/03/2005 3:24:49 PM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: glock rocks
I work for the circus, and clowns scare me.

BOO!


69 posted on 01/03/2005 3:26:11 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: dighton

Now that's a mentail picture I could have done without.


70 posted on 01/03/2005 3:26:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: peyton randolph

Carter's Christian beliefs were something he held out to the public. Bush, OTOH, has not held out his beliefs but been constantly attacked for them by the news media.


71 posted on 01/03/2005 3:26:38 PM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

I'd point out that Chuck Baldwin is a total nutjob who scares me, but that would be a fairly redundant post on this thread.


72 posted on 01/03/2005 3:26:57 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: tacticalogic

And just how did you translate what I said as meaning that I expect one wolf to save me. You are putting words in my mouth or you are blinded by your on predjudgice that you just want to beat up on all sides that don't agree with your foggy views.


73 posted on 01/03/2005 3:27:06 PM PST by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gultch.)
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To: alnick
"...and Bill Clinton carried a 20-pound Bible with him to church on Sundays when he was president."

And how many cigars in his pocket?

74 posted on 01/03/2005 3:28:17 PM PST by Chummy (A happy and prosperous New Year from Chummy and Family!)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
"President Bush and Republicans in Congress created a first-ever national ID card in the new intelligence bill"

Did I miss something?

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On another note. From its inception the Christian Right has been beset by infighting between self-styled leaders competing for the favors of elected officials.

This guy apparently hasn't been invited to the White House since Reagan and has now submitted his opus.

75 posted on 01/03/2005 3:28:37 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: MisterRepublican

I don't see where this collumn makes a connection between the beliefs of the religious right and the President's policies. Find me one in the article. The body of the collumn seems to attack anti-terrorist initiatives such as homeland security, the patriot act, etc from a "abridgement of constitutional freedoms" angle and not from a religious angle. Its like saying "I am a football fan and I oppose the President's anti-gun control policies". Yeah, you are one and you oppose the other but whats the connection. This guy didn't make one.


76 posted on 01/03/2005 3:30:13 PM PST by Witchman63 (not a pagan, its just a play on my last name.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
"When Ronald Reagan was running for President, I helped Dr. Jerry Falwell register more than fifty thousand new conservative voters in my state. I have attended White House functions with former President Reagan and former Vice President George H.W. Bush...

"For one reason, on the whole, the Religious Right has obviously and patently become little more than a propaganda machine for the Republican Party...."


More Looney Left Irony.

77 posted on 01/03/2005 3:32:45 PM PST by Chummy (A happy and prosperous New Year from Chummy and Family!)
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To: jongaltsr
And just how did you translate what I said as meaning that I expect one wolf to save me. You are putting words in my mouth or you are blinded by your on predjudgice that you just want to beat up on all sides that don't agree with your foggy views.

Not putting words in your mouth. The promises of salvation come from the wolves. Don't you hear them?

78 posted on 01/03/2005 3:35:08 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Witchman63
I don't see where this collumn makes a connection between the beliefs of the religious right and the President's policies.

The closest he comes to that is that whoever the Religious Right is, they tended to vote more for Bush. But so did white males and veterans. He might as well have written the story about why veterans scare him.

79 posted on 01/03/2005 3:37:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: cougar_mccxxi
For one reason, on the whole, the Religious Right has obviously and patently become little more than a propaganda machine for the Republican Party in general and for President G.W. Bush in particular.

This might be an interesting assertion to verify, if he would tell me who this "Religious Right" is. It's not clear.

Anyway, if this is the only complaint, there's nothing to see here. Seeing as how the Republican Party is the rightward of the two major parties, it would be hardly suprising if a group referred to as the "Religious Right" (whoever they are exactly) did not prefer them.

This is in spite of the fact that both Bush and the Republican Party in Washington, D.C., have routinely ignored and even trampled the very principles which the Religious Right claims to represent.

How so? I always hear lots of complaints that they're in the "Religious Right"'s back pocket. Which is it?

Therefore, no longer does the Religious Right represent conservative, Christian values.

I don't even know who we're talking about! Here's the argument so far:

Some Vaguely Defined Shadowy Group scares me. They (SMDSG) are cheerleaders for the (R)s, but the (R)s don't represent their (SMDSG's) values. Therefore SMDSG doesn't represent conservative, Christian values.

There's no "there" to this argument yet. Is there anyone actually in this SMDSG? I'll read on....

It also appears painfully obvious to me that in order to sit at the king's table, the Religious Right is willing to compromise any principle, no matter how sacred.

Such... as...?

Sadly, the Religious Right is now a movement without a cause, except the cause of advancing the Republican Party.

It is huh? If he says so. But from what I can see he hasn't actually identified anyone in the "Religious Right". But he sure has proved that they are all self-serving, short-sighted, unprincipled, and so on. (The "Religious Right". Which has no definition.)

Beyond that, the Religious Right is actively assisting those who would destroy our freedoms.

Who are those?

On the whole, the Religious Right comports with those within the Bush administration and within the Republican Party who, in the name of "fighting terrorism," are actually terrorizing constitutional protections of our liberties.

Well as long as he's not vague or anything.

The Religious Right offered virtually no resistance to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the passage of the Patriot Act, or the recently created position of National Intelligence Director.

How could they have? They don't exist. Would Mr. Baldwin give us an example of a person who's in this "Religious Right", such that, if that person had said "I oppose the Patriot Act", then Baldwin would be forced to agree that the "Religious Right" did resist it?

Also, is he going to list his specific problems with these things, and why he thinks these policies (whether right or wrong) violate "conservative, Christian principles"? Because if not, then this is irrelevant.

Neither did the Religious Right offer even a whimper of protest as President Bush and Republicans in Congress created a first-ever national ID card in the new intelligence bill, which eerily has more in common with early Twentieth Century German and Russian intelligence institutions than anything envisioned by America's Founding Fathers.

Again - relevance? Anyway I haven't heard about this ID card thing and suspect Baldwin is misrepresenting it.

Another disconcerting feature of today's Religious Right is its attempt to Christianize political entities which it supports and to demonize political entities which it opposes. This trend is especially scary.

Um. That trend (if it exists) is especially democracy. For crying out loud. Here he's telling us that there's this identifiable group (the "Religious Right") which takes political positions and plays a role in politics. Then he explains (with other words) that this group favors some "political entities" and not others.

Dude, that's what political groups in democracies do. It's what AARP does. It's what Sierra Club does. What is this "Religious Right" supposed to do? Apparently if you're a group which is "Religious" you're prohibited from participating in regular, democratic politics?

When people are told that they are voting "Christian" by voting for Republican Party candidates, it is being intimated that they are voting non-Christian by voting for any other candidate.

"Christian" embodies a set of ideas. It is hardly surprising if one party or the other, in any given election, can be identified which adheres to those ideas better. It is hardly surprising for a faction which is nominally "Religious" (i.e. Christian) to urge people to vote, therefore, for that party. In fact it is the normal course of politics. Environmentalists tell people that the (D)s are "better on the environment", and people who say that the (R) candidate is the "Christian" candidate (if this ever actually happens - once again, Baldwin has no examples) are doing nothing more and nothing less.

This is not only silly on its face, it is downright dangerous!

Well maybe, but that's called "politics" ;-) Again, there is a way for "Religious" groups to avoid Baldwin's criticism here - abstain from politics. Is that what he's saying they must do?

I don't remember anyone saying people voted "Christian" when they elected the outspoken Christian candidate, Jimmy Carter, President.

That means it must never have happened!!

However, in spite of the fact that President Bush and the Republican Party in Washington, D.C., have repeatedly supported copious unchristian (not to mention unconstitutional) programs and policies,

Such as...????

Again all he's listed are: Patriot Act, Homeland security department, National intelligence Czar + ID card(?). I might agree that one or all of those things were misguided. I might even agree that some of them are unconstitutional. But what does that have to do with "unchristian"?

Isn't Baldwin the one here who is labeling this or that policy "Christian"? Just think, he has in effect called voting against the Patriot Act the "Christian" thing to do. Isn't that "scary" and "dangerous", by his own criteria?

Christians act as if Bush and his fellow Republicans have ushered in the Millennial Kingdom.

They do? Name some Mr. Baldwin. Because I'm calling bulls**t on you here. This is pure straw-man.

More than that, the Religious Right appears to believe that G.W. Bush is the anointed vicar of Christ.

They do? Well they must be pretty stupid, whoever they are.

I'm still not sure that people fitting Baldwin's description of this "Religious Right" actually exist, however, and I must reiterate that he's given zero examples.

But instead of wearing the garb of a religious leader, he wears the shroud of a politico and a military commander-in-chief.

As he should. The complaint being...?

As such, in the minds of the Religious Right, Bush's war in Iraq is a holy crusade.

It is? Prove it Mr. Baldwin, or shut your trap with your phony strawmen.

America is fast taking on the shape of the old Holy Roman Empire and President Bush is quickly morphing into a modern day Caesar.

Heh. Baldwin is quickly morphing into self-parody. No need for me to pile on. I'll just let that quote stand in all its glory for people to marvel at.

The willingness of the Religious Right to give President Bush king-like subservience is easily seen in the way they demonize anyone who dares to oppose him.

It would be, perhaps, if I could just figure out who these dang "Religious Right" people actually are. Because I still don't know who he's talking about.

Are we heading for a modern day religious inquisition, this one led not by the Catholic Church but by the Religious Right?

What a great question. Answer: no.

Are we witnessing the type of marriage between Church and State that America's founders originally feared?

No. Any other questions?

I used to believe that liberals were paranoid for being fearful of conservative Christians gaining political power. Now, I share their trepidation.

He's joined their paranoia, in other words. I must point out that he's given exactly ZERO examples of: (1) who he means by "Religious Right", (2) examples of their connivings etc. which he decries, and (3) examples of Bush doing their bidding.

Indeed, he's put forth here the paradoxical view that George Bush is simultaneously (a) ignoring "Religious" principles altogether, and (b) on the verge of setting up a theocracy ("marriage between Church and State") + Catholic-like inquisition. How a sane person can believe all that is an open question.

Unfortunately, when the seed of Bush's unconstitutional policies come to fruition, it will produce large scale fallout economically, socially, and politically.

Well, there's a prediction that's worth the paper it's printed on. Someone bookmark this and then shove it in his face in four years, eight years, and so forth.

And sadder still will be that, instead of blaming Bush's infidelity to constitutional government and conservative principles, people will blame Christianity and conservatism itself.

And they'll have Mr. Baldwin's silly ranting to point at as "evidence" for their view, of a "Religious Right" that's somehow unconservative and anti-Christian, on the verge of setting up a combined theocracy and Roman Empire....

The result of this miscalculation will doubtless be a massive tide of support for more and greater unconstitutional government, but only under a different name.

I guess that's why Bush won in November...

Whatever. What a worthless article.

80 posted on 01/03/2005 3:42:11 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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