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a certain apartment complex in Nassau County | 5/12/2005 | me

Posted on 05/12/2005 5:53:30 AM PDT by cyborg

I've frequented many illegal immigration threads, yet I've never participated in any serious activism. I'm not that political but I've had enough. I was driving down a main street and noticed a quite large ad for apartment renters in SPANISH ONLY. It really bothered me because I think it's discrimination as anyone who doesn't know spanish won't be able to read the sign. I wrote to the county EOC a very brief note asking what can be done. I do believe in property rights but with the history of racial red lining on Long Island that was as bad as legal segregation was in the South, I think someone had to say something.

Was I wrong for asking? It's mostly a symbolic move since I expect whoever to write me back saying it's their right.


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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The situation you describe is just as true in any ethnic community. Whether its an Armenian, Chinese, Mexican, or Arabic community, you will see tons of signs not in English.

What the 'borg was referring to was the practice of ONLY advertising rental housing for a certain community, which is against FHA laws.

41 posted on 05/12/2005 1:18:17 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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To: Clemenza

yeah you're right


42 posted on 05/12/2005 1:18:46 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: righttackle44
I'm not saying these things are negative, but the fact is that Latino/Hispanic peoples are living in many, many once-essentially Anglo communities.

Been happening in the northeast since the 1940s with the first big wave of immigrants from PR. Hell, New York has been losing "Anglo communities" to "ethnic communities" since the 1840s. Even under Dutch rule, there were about 22 languages spoken in Manhattan.

This New Yorker shrugs off such changes as no big deal. I'm sure its a much different situation in the heartland.

43 posted on 05/12/2005 1:20:33 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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To: cyborg
Signs in English are so much more informative.


44 posted on 05/12/2005 1:21:26 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: cyborg

Quebec has "Language Police" that regulate the signs businesses put up in their windows.

Seems to me, a business owner has every right to provide services in whatever language he wants.


45 posted on 05/12/2005 1:24:06 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: HiJinx
When I was a kid on Long Island in the 80s, you had white towns, Jewish towns and black towns. When people talked about a "mixed community", they meant one like Massapequa, where Jews and Christians lived in equal numbers. My elementary school was 99% white (the other 1% being Asian), despite the fact that a substantial black community was but a mile away. Schools coincide with town boundaries on Long Island which is why it remains segregated, especially the more blue collar areas.

The only Latinos I knew when I went to school there were two kids from Argentina who were of Italian ancestry. Now, I understand there are large communities of Salvadorans and, to a lesser extent, Mexicans. They typically either live in the areas traditionally inhabited by blacks or in rental communities adjacent to affluent North Shore towns.

46 posted on 05/12/2005 1:26:05 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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To: Clemenza

I'm sorry...I really should have put in the sarcasm tag.

I've been following the issue long enough to know that this Hispanic wave of immigration has made itself felt nationwide.

Your reply shows me how pervasive it is on Lawn Guyland (!), which I did not know. Also, that it has been happening over at least one generation.


47 posted on 05/12/2005 1:39:44 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: Modernman

Why not bilingual signs? This is America, a predominantly english speaking country. This place where I live has seen the influx of illegals baloon in the short span of ten years. If it's not illegal then I'll leave the issue alone. However, advertising in spanish only is discriminatory and there are anti-discrimination laws in this country.


48 posted on 05/12/2005 1:40:12 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
Why not bilingual signs?

A business decision, I guess.

If it's not illegal then I'll leave the issue alone.

Probably not illegal, unless the property owner refuses to rent to non-Spanish speaking whites or blacks.

However, advertising in spanish only is discriminatory and there are anti-discrimination laws in this country.

I actually can't think of any that would cover this situation.

49 posted on 05/12/2005 1:43:13 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman

Just annoying though. Most every government sign is in english and spanish. This is a predominantly hispanic and black area, the white people would never move here in an appreciable numbers unless they're foreigners.


50 posted on 05/12/2005 1:45:22 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

That's the first Spanish billboard you've seen? Don't get to brown neighborhoods much huh? First one I saw was in 1982, for Budweiser. It's all about target marketing, if they're targeting immigrants from Mexico (and remember many of them are legal) then there's nothing wrong with a billboard in Spanish.


51 posted on 05/12/2005 1:51:01 PM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: muawiyah

---We have one out at Burke Lake that's in 16 languages. Tells folks about "deep water wear a vest".---

missing was the warning in Antlantian


52 posted on 05/12/2005 1:53:21 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberals are all heart, they care for everybody they care for and hate the rest.)
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To: discostu

Hempstead is predominantly black and hispanic, well actually hispanic and black. I live here and drive past the sign every day.


53 posted on 05/12/2005 1:53:44 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: discostu; Clemenza

Incidentally, the rich white slumlords run these apartments. They would never live in them themselves though.


54 posted on 05/12/2005 1:56:19 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Loud Mime
You make a good point. We have people from over 100 countries living in Fairfax County, and there are most likely nearly that many languages regularly spoken.

Odds are the next drowning out there is going to involve someone whose language wasn't listed.

Still, they've got the major ones ~ English, Spanish, French (Creole), German, Russian, Vietnamese, Laotian, Thai, Mandarin, Shanghainaise, Malay, Tagalog, and so forth.

55 posted on 05/12/2005 1:56:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cyborg

most people that own apartments would never live in them, that's part and parcel to having enough money to own rental property.


56 posted on 05/12/2005 1:58:11 PM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: discostu

Riiight you know exactly what I mean. I was in the fire department and have seen some of these apartments first hand. Aside from the near condemned condition, you have two bedroom apartments turned into five bedroom apartments with dry wall. Trust me on this.


57 posted on 05/12/2005 1:59:47 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Then they're targeting a market. Most advertising is targeted to an identified demographic, theirs is apparently Spanish speakers.


58 posted on 05/12/2005 2:00:01 PM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: cyborg

It's not just a bad apartment thing, it's an apartment thing. If you've got enough money to own rental property it's a safe logical assumption you've got enough money to live someplace better than what you're renting out, whether it's a slum that should be condemned or a nice piece of property, it's just a natural result of real property capitalism.


59 posted on 05/12/2005 2:02:14 PM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: discostu

Well we respectfull part on that view.


60 posted on 05/12/2005 2:02:56 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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