They deserve a straight answer.
IF murtha can't produce ALL of his military records they will know.
Most of the Brothers and Sisters never could vote
because like me, we weren't 21.
Let them "vote" now and decide.
Posted on 01/14/2006 11:27:23 AM PST by Fenris6
"Former representative Don Bailey (D-Pa.) has apparently broken ranks and attacked the war record of fellow Democrat John Murtha"
"...The story was picked up by CNS, a conservative web site. In their report they also cited excerpts from The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in 2002, and several quotes from political opponents in the 1990s that raised questions regarding Murtha's record."
"...But the quote used above comes from a Washington Post article that confirms many of the accusations in the CNS story. But before Murtha's political opponents begin jumping for joy, they had best take a close look at how the Post is spinning the story of blue on blue warfare:..."
"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts, they say. The Post dutifully notes the actual source of the accusations (Bailey) a few paragraphs into the piece, but leaves no doubt where this story is headed: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said, "The Swift Boat-like attacks on an American hero, Congressman Jack Murtha, are despicable and have no place in politics."
"Let me be clear: attacks on Murtha's Vietnam record are pointless. Murtha's latest statements against the success of US troops in Iraq speak for themselves; his current behavior renders his past insignificant. Democrats, grown tired of waiting for an attack on Murtha's war record from the Right, have created their own. He's painted as a victim now - of "right wing chickenhawk" contempt for real war heroes. But those serious about standing up to the current John Murtha would be well advised to let his fellow Democrats and the mainstream media keep this war "unilateral".
Save all that valuable experience for a real battle. This is just a fair look at the background of a man who may well have inflated his war record.
LOL -- now THAT was a lucky stroke! :o)
Actually, he was making a fair bid a few months ago to become quite potent as a rallying point for the antiwar loons. Then the Republican leadership called his bluff in Congress. That's all we're doing here: continuing to call his bluff.
He's impotent because we have worked hard to keep the left from making him potent. Who else do they have? No one.
Mine hasn't been over. Yet.
But I've got a couple extras around the house this weekend who have returned a few months ago. I'll see if I can get an opinion over breakfast.
"murtha, in my book, has endangered our troops lives
by aligning with code pink"
I think Murtha has been- and still is -endangering our troops lives since the first time he opened his mouth.
What I question is pursuing the phony medal angle of things, and risking being proven wrong (who is certain about this? The SBV were absolutely sure about kerry), and losing credibility as a party because of it.
Advertise his association with the leftist extremist organization, Code Pink. Expose his current treason. Expose his endangering our troops with his vile words of retreat.
Don't go about things by digging into his past. He is enough of a traitor in the present. Get him there.
I do not think it is necessary to dig into his past. Keep it in the present.
He is a traitor, and a coward. America now knows that.
It might mean a lot to the Pennsylvania National Guard. Murtha never came to see them depart, he never sent any letters to them and did not show up to see the unit return.
"What I question is pursuing the phony medal angle of things, and risking being proven wrong (who is certain about this? The SBV were absolutely sure about kerry), and losing credibility as a party because of it."
Are you saying the SVPFT were wrong and Republicans lost credibility because of it?
BTTT
Absolutely not........not even CLOSE. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
What I was saying, is that there is ample ammunition about Murtha NOW to convict him of treason. I'm not sure that there is a reason to go after his service record.
The Swift Boat vets had abundant evidence and multiple sources to prove that Kerry's record was phony. I haven't seen that kind of evidence with Murtha, and wonder if it exists. The SBV absolutely did not hurt the credibility of the Republican party. A fishing expedition on Murtha would.
I'm going to bow out of this discussion now. I don't want to make enemies of friends because I have doubts about this effort. I don't want the shades of difference in opinion that I have to anger those with whom I have great agreement and shared values.
And I'm going to wait for more evidence to see whether or not I think this is a valid or necessary effort.
Very punny typo, that's fer sure!
"I'll never call John Glenn an ex-Marine for being a democrat."
He is not to be called an ex-Marine for being a democrat. He is an ex-Marine because he agreed to obstruct Clinton investigations in exchange for a ride on the Space Shuttle. He abandoned his duty to country for personal gain.
>>>What I was saying, is that there is ample ammunition about Murtha NOW to convict him of treason.
I think we both agree on that also.
>>>I'm not sure that there is a reason to go after his service record.
What about the PA National Guard?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1558144/posts?page=107#107
I'm glad you cleared that up. I figured if that's what you were saying, I must have missed something somewhere along the line ! )
"What I was saying, is that there is ample ammunition about Murtha NOW to convict him of treason."
I agree. I can't figure out why hasn't he been charged except I noted W called it comforting the enemy, yet pointedly left out aiding the enemy. Of course, that was before he aligned with Code Pink.
"I'm not sure that there is a reason to go after his service record."
There is a long record of this opponent trying to bring his service record to light, to no avail. IMO, he is in a parallel position to Kerry because he is the left's 'legitimate' voice for America's 'military' strategy.
"The Swift Boat vets had abundant evidence and multiple sources to prove that Kerry's record was phony. I haven't seen that kind of evidence with Murtha, and wonder if it exists. The SBV absolutely did not hurt the credibility of the Republican party. A fishing expedition on Murtha would."
I agree that a fishing expedition would hurt the Republican party. Given that Murtha's opponent has this history, I see where -given Kerry's history- an exacting inquiry into Murtha's history should be pursued and might very well have the opposite affect... a legitimatation and solidification of the service provided to this country by SVPFT.
I believe, especially in light of John Kerry, these are legitimate questions that need to be asked and to let it go would be negligent.
As I said from the beginning, I am open to persuasion on the subject.
If handled correctly and for the right reasons, this might be good to pursue.
If done by his opponent as a legitimate effort to prove who Murtha is, and if the evidence is there, I have no problem with it.
If it's done just as some form of revenge for his betrayal of our troops (IMO, there are many other Dems who have done that), and lacking solid evidence, I would still suggest restraint.
Tonk. I spoke to the two who have returned from deployment about this today.
They both disagree with Murtha and would go back for a second tour.
Thanks.
"If it's done just as some form of revenge for his betrayal of our troops (IMO, there are many other Dems who have done that), and lacking solid evidence, I would still suggest restraint."
I asked another FReeper, two or three days before this CNS story hit, about Murtha's purple hearts. Precisely because of the John Kerry crap, and all of Murtha's bloviating. I agree wholeheartedly on the restraint part and appreciate anyone who can help keep an even keel and can help keep my head from spinning right off my shoulders.
I think a reasoned response to this would be for someone, ANYONE, to politely ask Mr. Murtha:
In light of the John Kerry muddle, since all of his records have not been released as requested to counter the charges by SWPFT to clarify that situation, to release his own records. Let's get this crap out in the open, and settle it, once and for all.
Do you think Murtha's behind this "leak" as a means of getting the Republicans?
So you're thinking the MSM here?
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