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Pope: I'm sorry (sorry you're offended, that is)
Inthenews.com (UK) ^ | 9/16/2006 | Staff

Posted on 09/16/2006 5:25:37 AM PDT by Dark Skies

The Pope has apologised to the world's Muslim community after making comments about the history of Islam, according to media reports.

He said he hoped the speech had not been taken as being intentionally offensive and insisted that the Vatican was "strongly upset" by the Islamic world's reaction, the BBC reports.

Delivering a speech on Tuesday at a university in his homeland of Germany, Pope Benedict XVI quoted criticisms of the Prophet Muhammad made by 14th century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Palaeologus, who claimed that the Islamic prophet had brought "things only evil and inhuman" on the world, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

The Pope made a point of saying "I quote" during his speech in order to distance himself from the sentiment, but his comments have attracted widespread criticism from leading Muslims.

Their demands that the pontiff apologises for his speech, which explored the relationship between violence and faith, appear to have been met today.

Commentators claim that the Pope's planned visit to the mainly Islamic country of Turkey in November is now in jeopardy.

In the Gaza Strip, several thousand Palestinians took to the streets in protest at the Pope's comments, while Pakistan's national assembly unanimously passed a resolution calling on the pontiff to retract his statement.

Meanwhile, Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf warned that "sinister tendencies" to associate terrorism with Muslims were helping to fuel a sense of alienation between the west and Islam.

"Our strategy must clearly oppose the sinister tendencies to associate terrorism with Islam and discrimination against Muslims, which are giving rise to an ominous alienation between the west and the world of Islam," said Mr Musharraf, addressing the Non-Aligned Movement's summit in Cuba.

The Pope's comments have also sparked outrage in the UK, where the Muslim Council of Britain had urged the head of the Catholic church to "urgently clarify" his comments, which the organisation said had caused "dismay and hurt" to Muslims.

Meanwhile, the first Muslim woman to enter the House of Lords has said that UK politicians must put pressure on the Pope to apologise for the "disappointment and hurt" caused by his remarks.

Speaking on Radio 4, Labour peer Baroness Uddin said: "I am worried about the current climate which licenses this type of irresponsible analysis of religion. If he did not mean it he should not have said it."

Urging Muslims to "show reverence and reflection" in their response to the Pope's comments, she added: "What I do not want is any effigy burning here or any irrational discussion. Already the environment is such that demonising Islam has become acceptable. We have got to be thoughtful in our responses."

However, German chancellor Angela Merkel has defended the pontiff, stressing that critics had misunderstood the aim of his speech.

"It was an invitation to dialogue between religions," said Ms Merkel, in an article published in the Bild newspaper today.

"What Benedict XVI emphasised was a decisive and uncompromising renunciation of all forms of violence in the name of religion," she stressed.

The Vatican has attempted to quell discontent over the Pope's comments by insisting that he was attempting to put across a "clear and radical rejection of the religious motivation for violence".

"It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to undertake a comprehensive study of the jihad and of Muslim ideas on the subject, still less to offend the sensibilities of Muslim faithful," Vatican press office director Federico Lombardi said.


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1 posted on 09/16/2006 5:25:37 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

Unbelievable.


2 posted on 09/16/2006 5:26:10 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Dark Skies

What the Pope is saying is "sorry if the truth hurts"...


3 posted on 09/16/2006 5:27:11 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Dark Skies

Sorry Pope.


4 posted on 09/16/2006 5:27:29 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
unbelievable.

What's unbelievable? That the Pope didn't say to nuke all Muslims? Or that the media put words in his mouth again? Or that you believed them?

5 posted on 09/16/2006 5:27:45 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("It's only pain, darling.")
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To: Dark Skies
One should never apologize for telling the truth.


6 posted on 09/16/2006 5:28:25 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Dark Skies

He did not apologize, according to any media reports I've read. Where is the quote?


7 posted on 09/16/2006 5:28:38 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Dark Skies

Another wimp.


8 posted on 09/16/2006 5:28:42 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

muzzies, like LIBERALS, cant stand the TRUTH!


9 posted on 09/16/2006 5:29:32 AM PDT by Jazzman1 (l)
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To: Dark Skies
Best I can tell, the Holy Father is sorry the good/non-violent muslims are offended.

But I still believe the Pope knew exactly how the muslim "street" would react and very carefully and cleverly proved his very point. Islam cannot be the work of the Creator and, at the same time, be afraid of rational discussion about its links to violent and hatred.

10 posted on 09/16/2006 5:29:32 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: the invisib1e hand

Mehmet Ali Agca may get a partner


11 posted on 09/16/2006 5:29:46 AM PDT by Loud Mime (An undefeated enemy is still an enemy.......war has a purpose.)
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To: pissant
He did not apologize, according to any media reports I've read. Where is the quote?

Exactly.

12 posted on 09/16/2006 5:29:56 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; All

READ THE ARTICLE CAREFULLY. THERE IS NO APOLOGY FROM THE POPE. DON'T BELIEVE THE HEADLINE


13 posted on 09/16/2006 5:30:11 AM PDT by pissant
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To: darkwing104

He didn't


14 posted on 09/16/2006 5:30:47 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

I my post down thread. I don't think he apologized for making his comment...he said (reportly) he was sorry muslims were offended.


15 posted on 09/16/2006 5:30:49 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

Where's the apology? Sorry but I don't see it.


16 posted on 09/16/2006 5:30:51 AM PDT by weef
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To: Dark Skies
ROME (Reuters) - Pope Benedict told Muslims on Saturday he was sorry they had found his speech on Islam offensive, expressing his respect for their faith and hoping they would understand the "true sense" of his words.

Ah, but he said look to the true sense of his words. He is repeating that, what he said is true, he is sorry they are offended by it.

17 posted on 09/16/2006 5:30:53 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Dark Skies

It's WAR, folks.
Them vs. everybody else.
WE are part of that "everybody else" bit.


18 posted on 09/16/2006 5:30:58 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: Dark Skies

He caved. sheesh


19 posted on 09/16/2006 5:31:29 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Dark Skies
"I am worried about the current climate which licenses this type of irresponsible analysis of religion. If he did not mean it he should not have said it."

Maybe next time he should use a cartoon?

20 posted on 09/16/2006 5:31:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dark Skies

No, his spokesman says it wwas not his intention to offend muslims.


21 posted on 09/16/2006 5:31:57 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Dark Skies

Dammit. That was a mistake.


22 posted on 09/16/2006 5:32:11 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: bonfire

READ THE DARN ARTICLE


23 posted on 09/16/2006 5:32:38 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Aussie Dasher
What the Pope is saying is "sorry if the truth hurts"...

That's the way I read it. He hasn't and IMO will not issue a retraction because it was a "quote" and it was the truth.

24 posted on 09/16/2006 5:32:49 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies
He said he hoped the speech had not been taken as being intentionally offensive and insisted that the Vatican was "strongly upset" by the Islamic world's reaction, the BBC reports "

Doesn't sound like an apology to me....

I'm sorry for their reaction too, It's a damn shame they are barbarians that can't grasp the concept of debate and civilization.

I'm not sorry for the fact that I believe they are at dangerous and a threat to all of humanity.

25 posted on 09/16/2006 5:33:03 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and Apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: bonfire

see post #13


26 posted on 09/16/2006 5:33:17 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

READ THE ARTICLE PLEASE.


27 posted on 09/16/2006 5:33:24 AM PDT by pissant
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To: bonfire
He didn't cave, they are selective in their quotes.

ROME (Reuters) - Pope Benedict told Muslims on Saturday he was sorry they had found his speech on Islam offensive, expressing his respect for their faith and hoping they would understand the "true sense" of his words.

He is saying what was said is true, he is sorry they are offended.

28 posted on 09/16/2006 5:33:46 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
has he washed and kissed their feet yet...probably...now i am sure that the world (Europe, and the Church there) are doomed...verdict still out on Australia and USA...such an opportunity throw to the wind...thanks pope...i think i knew ya when the Israels where up to it as well!!!
29 posted on 09/16/2006 5:34:26 AM PDT by ldish (God save the USA)
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To: Dark Skies

Damn, dude. He said it and it's the truth, so now he should own it. Instead, he crumbles like an Oreo cookie as soon as the islamics start whining.


30 posted on 09/16/2006 5:34:35 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: ldish

READ THE ARTICLE. THERE IS NO APOLOGY.


31 posted on 09/16/2006 5:35:08 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: pissant

"It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to undertake a comprehensive study of the jihad and of Muslim ideas on the subject, still less to offend the sensibilities of Muslim faithful," Vatican press office director Federico Lombardi said."

Backpedaling.


32 posted on 09/16/2006 5:35:37 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

there is no apology.


33 posted on 09/16/2006 5:35:41 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Dark Skies
Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf warned that "sinister
tendencies" to associate terrorism with Muslims were helping
to fuel a sense of alienation between the west and Islam.

Shazaam! I've never made the association. I better start reading more carefully.   /sarc

34 posted on 09/16/2006 5:36:03 AM PDT by jigsaw (Liberals couldn't act so irresponsibly if Conservatives didn't fight so hard to protect the country.)
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To: 1rudeboy
SEPARATED AT BIRTH???

GEICO CAVEMAN


35 posted on 09/16/2006 5:36:14 AM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

He did not. The article is misleading.


36 posted on 09/16/2006 5:36:27 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

I think we need a personal note after the title. People are misunderstanding the story.


37 posted on 09/16/2006 5:36:35 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: pissant

I HAVE read it. It's an attempt to quell violence. With these radicals, they don't have to have a real reason. He is back tracking. You have no idea how disappointed I am. What a wuss.


38 posted on 09/16/2006 5:36:48 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: frogjerk
READ THE ARTICLE. THERE IS NO APOLOGY.

It's the equivalent of a husband saying to his wife "I'm sorry you're offended because I said you look fat in that dress."

39 posted on 09/16/2006 5:36:55 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: bonfire

Hardly. Where did he say he's sorry. Or that what he siad was untrue?


40 posted on 09/16/2006 5:38:09 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I disagree. The Pope is not apologizing.


41 posted on 09/16/2006 5:38:21 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Folded like a house of cards...

Kissing the Koran exactly his predecessor will be next. (Someone here on FR needs to post that picture... very apropo.)

42 posted on 09/16/2006 5:39:13 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: the invisib1e hand

Islamic prophet had brought "things only evil and inhuman" on the world, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".


This is the key phrase Muslims take offense with.

They dont believe spreading their faith by sword is evil.

So now they want to cut off the popes head with a sword.

Pope did us all a favor, calling the snakes out from under their rocks.


43 posted on 09/16/2006 5:39:16 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

There is no backtracking of what he said. Period. Just that it was not intended to upset the muslims.


44 posted on 09/16/2006 5:39:30 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant; mware

I asked the mods to add a qualifier to the title...(sorry you're offended, that is)


45 posted on 09/16/2006 5:40:44 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Jmouse007
Folded like a house of cards...

Show me the apology.

46 posted on 09/16/2006 5:41:12 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I HAVE read it.

So have I, 3 times, and I can't see where he apologizes or 'backtracks'.
Where do you see that?

47 posted on 09/16/2006 5:41:14 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: Dark Skies
We can see that, but it is a bit nuanced and semantic an argument given Islam's famous rational disabilities.

IMHO He should have let it stand.
48 posted on 09/16/2006 5:41:16 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: pissant

Of COURSE it was intended to offend the Muslim sensibilites!! Why backtrack? He KNEW it would offend them!


49 posted on 09/16/2006 5:41:48 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Dark Skies

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Pope: I'm sorry, Dark Skies wrote:
READ THE ARTICLE. THERE IS NO APOLOGY.
It's the equivalent of a husband saying to his wife "I'm sorry you're offended because I said you look fat in that dress."


Excatly-- and I'm sure he had this up his sleeve when he made the initial proclamation. This Pope is no dummy Long Live the Pope!!!!!!!!!


50 posted on 09/16/2006 5:42:23 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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