ISLAM:What the West Needs to Know

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[kronos77]

Main IdeaVirtually every major Western leader has over the past several years expressed the view that Islam is a peaceful religion and that those who commit violence in its name are fanatics who misinterpret its tenets. This claim, while widely circulated, rarely attracts serious public examination.

ContentThe documentary consists of original interviews, citations from Islamic texts, Islamic artwork, computer-animated maps, footage of Western leaders, and Islamic television broadcasts. Its tone is sober, methodical, and compelling. Outline of the Documentary

IntroductionWe hear from prominent Western leaders that Islam is peaceful and that those who commit violence in its name are heterodox fanatics.

Part 1: ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet’Our interviewees affirm their belief that Islamic violence is entirely orthodox behavior for Muslims and stems directly from the teachings and example of the Prophet Muhammad and the commands of the Koran. We learn that the example of Muhammad is one of a violent warlord who killed numerous people. The Koran – the verbatim words of Allah – prescribes violence against non-Muslims and Muhammad is the perfect example of the Koran in action.

Part 2: The StruggleWe learn that jihad, while literally meaning 'struggle', in fact denotes war fought against non-Muslims in order to bring the rule of Islamic law to the world. Violent death in jihad is, according to the Koran, the only assurance of salvation. One of our interviewees tells of his personal involvement in terrorism and his leaving Islam.

Part 3: ExpansionFollowing the death of Muhammad, his 'rightly-guided' successors carried his wars to three continents, fighting, enslaving, and massacring countless Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and others. Islam did not spread through evangelism or through its natural appeal, but through aggressive wars of conquest.

[M1thumb]

I seem to remember hearing reports of open warfare being waged in the Soviet Far East against the CHICOMS back in the late 1960s/early 1970s along the Amur River.

I believe an uncontrolled fusion reaction was involved.

[Ax]

I don't remember hearing anything about an "uncontrolled fusion reaction" being involved. But then I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday either. By an "uncontrolled fusion reaction" did you mean that a nuclear event had taken place?

[Dark Skies]

This bothers me even more than the traitorous actions of the ENEMEDIA and the leftists. WHERE are the Christians standing up for the TRUTH and exposing the FALSE teachings of islam?

I suggest they have been seduced by materialism and don't want to rock their boat. America is great but it has become too great, materially.

Seems we live on a slippery slope.

[Dark Skies]

jan: I hate to bring this news to you, but we don't live in a binary world (1's and 0's)...things get a little more complicated.

Actually, we do live in a binary world. The two poles are Good and evil.

[jan in Colorado]

'There is no neutral ground in the universe--every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan' -- C.S. Lewis

[Dark Skies]

Is that quote from "Mere Christianity"?

[jan in Colorado]

I believe it is from “Christianity and Culture”

[george76]

Thanks.

[SauronOfMordor]

The Golden Rule

In Christianity the Golden Rule is taken as a universal obligation toward all, CHristian and non-Christian

In Islam, the Hadith which expresses it says

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 12:

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother what he likes for himself."

Note the essential difference

[SauronOfMordor]

And BTW, my sacred texts have been exposed to the eyes of the non-Muslim world for thousands of years.

But it wasn't until the time of the Internet that they were conveniently available to everybody to refer to. Pre-internet, most people had to rely on what they heard from this-or-that mouthpiece, instead of being easily able to read for themselves

[SauronOfMordor]

Abdurrahman Wahid, the Aga Khan, Saliou Mbacké

Abdurrahman Wahid and Saliou Mbacké are Sufis. The Sufi branch does emphasize the "inner jihad" over violent jihad. However, they do not disavow violent Jihad, nor the institution of Dhimmitude (subordinate, second-class status for non-Muslims living under Muslim rule). See here

The Ismailis (followers of the Aga Khan) are not considered Muslims by the majority of the Muslim world. For an example, see here

[DustyMoment]

Now, the 'powers to be' have met with Muslim leaders in the US, which is a sign that there's going to be much more appeasement with the Democrats in power than there has been under the Bush doctrine of appeasement.

You make many good points. There is, potentially, one benefit that we have yet to realize from the Dem win in this past election - When the next terrorist attack occurs in the US, it will be under the watchful eyes of the Democrat-held House and Senate. And they will take the blame.

This past election wasn't about disapproval of Bush or the Iraq War, it was about the voters expressing frustration over the fact that it has become impossible to distinguish conservatives from liberals. The Republicans who formerly led became too enamored of their power and greed and lost sight of their conservative principles. Under the leadership of a liberal president who disguises his liberalism behind "compassionate conservatism", the Republicans became arrogant, greedy and deaf. Perhaps, when they finish their analysis of this election, they will understand that America wants conservative leadership, NOT leaders who rule by the leftist-driven public opinion poll.

We will know their decision in 2 years.

[Sun]

George 76: "Islam’s “Plan” To Take Over the USA in 20 Year"

zimdog: "Amateur. That was published 100 years ago as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."'

zimdog, do you have a link to show that this was published 100 years ago as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

I'd like to compare the two. Thanks.

[Grampa Dave]

The friendly guys below want to personally thank the Bush Haters on both sides for enabling them, making them respectable and able to commit more acts of terrorism. They are so much better for America than a strong and evil Bush! Their lessons for Americans are about to begin in ernest.

[Biggirl]

Terrorism is the fruit, Islam is the root.

[Biggirl]

And I am wondering why they would not like the term "mohammedans" ? Was that not the original title?

[george76]

Syed Rahmatullah Hashmi, an official in the Taliban's Foreign Ministry, showing Christian literature confiscated from Western relief groups.

He later was admitted to Yale University !

[zimdog]

Abdurrahman Wahid and Saliou Mbacké are Sufis. The Sufi branch does emphasize the "inner jihad" over violent jihad. However, they do not disavow violent Jihad, nor the institution of Dhimmitude (subordinate, second-class status for non-Muslims living under Muslim rule).

You asked (#114) for "some Islamic clerics, with actual following in the Muslim world, who take a different view" than the Salafists' literal reading. I gave you some names and now they are not good enough because the people in question have not completely renounced the possibility of physical struggle for the faith? Are you suggesting that Christians have disavowed the concept of "just war"? Or that Muslims in the United States deserve to be treated just like everyone else (that is, free from what you call "dhimmitude")? The rest of the Nuke Mecca Crowd disagrees with you. Perhaps you should take your quarrel up with them.

The Ismailis (followers of the Aga Khan) are not considered Muslims by the majority of the Muslim world.

The Nuke Mecca Crowd will not consider people to be Muslims unless they strenuously advocate violence. However, it is not their decision. Who is a Muslim and who is not is ultimately a matter between God and the individual.

[zimdog]

But it wasn't until the time of the Internet that they were conveniently available to everybody to refer to. Pre-internet, most people had to rely on what they heard from this-or-that mouthpiece, instead of being easily able to read for themselves

Actually, if you read your European history, it was the printing press and the translation from Latin to vernacular languages that began to free people from the tyranny of mouthpieces and superstitions.

[zimdog]

In Christianity the Golden Rule is taken as a universal obligation toward all, CHristian and non-Christian.

Tell that to the self-proclaimed "Christians" of the Nuke Mecca Crowd.

Note the essential difference.

That's a limited expression of it, for sure.

I was thinking more along the lines of Muhammad's final sermon: "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds."