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E.J. Dionne and Media Bias
usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog ^ | April 13, 2007 | Michael Barone

Posted on 04/14/2007 8:32:31 PM PDT by neverdem

In his Washington Post column today, E.J. Dionne argues that Democratic presidential candidates have no obligation to go on Fox News. He notes correctly that first John Edwards and then Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton declined to appear on a debate cosponsored by Fox News and the Congressional Black Caucus. Leading Democratic candidates did appear on such a debate in the 2004 cycle, in which the lead questioners were Fox's Brit Hume and a black journalist selected by the CBC. My recollection is that both asked thoughtful and fair questions that gave candidates an opportunity to present their views.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics
KEYWORDS: ejdionne; foxnewschannel; mediabias; msm
Eleanor Clift: Why White Men Don't Matter

That's the title of the link under the sidebar, "THE IMUS CONTROVERSY," at Newsweek, and the title of the link at RealClearPolitics.com. Click on that link, and the title is "Market Forces."

I thought these two stories are complimentary about the difficulty of the dems in attracting the white male demographic in 2008. The true believers on the left seem to have completely misread the last election, IMHO.

1 posted on 04/14/2007 8:32:33 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They are afraid just to be on FOX but they have the courage to confront America`s enemies? OK, if that`s what they say!
In the meantime, they seem to be in a frenzy to buy more rope for their hanging!


2 posted on 04/14/2007 8:57:20 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverdem
Eleanor, you are truly an idiot. But it was funny to read the tag right below her dribble, ‘Subscribe to Newsweek.” WHY? Articles like hers certainly aren`t a reason.
3 posted on 04/14/2007 9:07:01 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverdem

I don’t care what channel liberal marxists go on, I don’t watch them anyway. I quit watching Fox after it went left.


4 posted on 04/14/2007 9:08:29 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (America has lost its mind and is on its last days as a free country & Republic.)
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To: RetiredArmy
I don’t care what channel liberal marxists go on, I don’t watch them anyway. I quit watching Fox after it went left.

How did it go left?

5 posted on 04/14/2007 9:23:49 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
He’s been a cash cow for low-rated MSNBC, bringing in advertising dollars for three hours of broadcast time and costing the network relatively little to produce.

At least Eleanor is honest enough to admit only the mentally ill liberals and shut ins are faithfully watching MSNBC.

"I admire Roger Ailes' genius in building Fox News. I wish liberals could create a comparably powerful network."-E.J. Dionne

Yes E.J., because we know that ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN are just small fish with their nationwide affiliates, armies of journalists, and millions of dollars in assets. Bizarro world must be a wonderful place to live in.

6 posted on 04/14/2007 11:56:00 PM PDT by Quick or Dead (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms - Aristotle)
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To: neverdem

They refuse to debate because when you debate you have to come up with ideas, they don’t have any so how can they debate?


7 posted on 04/15/2007 12:06:38 AM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Quick or Dead
Yes E.J., because we know that ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN are just small fish with their nationwide affiliates, armies of journalists, and millions of dollars in assets. Bizarro world must be a wonderful place to live in.

LOL! Well stated!

8 posted on 04/15/2007 12:06:57 AM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: neverdem

With their hiring of all the liberals on the channel now and all their liberal crap. Shep Smith comes to mind. So does the fool Coombs to name a couple. Fox is not what Fox was a few years ago to me.


9 posted on 04/15/2007 6:39:58 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (America has lost its mind and is on its last days as a free country & Republic.)
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To: neverdem; The Spirit Of Allegiance; atomic conspiracy; Earthdweller; Eddie01; rlmorel; meema; ...
Any politician can choose not to appear on FNC or any other venue which doesn't float their boat. But it certainly speaks volumes about the relative clout of FNC and ABC (et. al.) that the Democratic candidates feel entirely free to dis Fox in a way that it would never occur to a Republican candidate to dis ABC.

The planted axiom of the choice of the Democrats to dis FNC is that ABC et. al. are objective. Indeed, that axiom is planted in the entire FCC broadcast licensing scheme - and more-or-less explicit in McCain-Feingold. It is also embedded in the "Fairness Doctrine" which the Democrats are determined to resurrect, precisely to suppress the open discussion of politics.

Democrats oppose the open expression of political opinion because they reject the idea of the possibility of their own fallibility. That is not an unprecedented position for people to take - otherwise it would not have a name handed down to us by history. The name for that attitude is "sophistry," and it derives from the Sophists of ancient Greece. The root of the word means "wisdom." The Sophists claimed to be wise.

That implied, of course, that any opposition to their own ideas was foolish. And that is precisely the position that "progressive" politicians and "objective" journalists take. Indeed, journalists call politicians who agree with them "progressive" because Americans universally believe in progress (i.e., they are not conservative). Journalists and other Democrats use "Objectivity" (applied only to journalists) and "progressivism" (never applied to journalists) as surrogates for "wisdom," but their meaning is the same.

Many Americans, including Jim Robinson and those who subscribe to the tenets of FR, call themselves "conservatives," but the term - like "right wingers" - is actually a slur (much as the term "Yankee" originally was). This is obvious from the fact that "conservatives" are the ones who want to accomplish such things as drilling for the oil in and near ANWR and producing nuclear electric power, whereas "progressives" want to stop the expansion of industry and fuel production - indeed, they want to reduce the production of power. American "conservatives" conserve freedom, and freedom implies the ability to do things that were not done before - the sine qua non of progress.
The conceit of the Sophists was rejected by the Philosophers. Philosophers rejected argument from a claim of wisdom, and insisted only that they loved wisdom - not that they were specially endowed with it. Thus the philosopher is open to facts and logic, whereas the sophist is eager to shut off debate.

It is obvious that the sophist requires an advantage in power to make it possible to foreclose his opponent's ability to bring facts and logic to the table. The modern sophists of the Democratic Party exploit the PR power of the one-way media for that purpose. The reason they enjoy the overwhelming advantage in that arena is simple - journalists who claim to be objective must band together to sustain their image, and by acting in unison they reject criticism of journalism as a whole by rejecting criticism of each individual journalist. And "progressives" - be they Democratic politicians or labor unionists or plaintiff lawyers or teachers - join in and support the project of sustaining the image of journalism as being objective. All such people have the common objective of promoting criticism above action. "Progressivism" is simply the attitude that criticism and second guessing is what is significant, and the person who undertakes a task and works to achieve it - Theodore Roosevelt's "man in the arena" - counts for nothing.

The irony of the claim of the "progressive" to superior wisdom is that "progressivism" the journalism which it adores is inherently not wise but superficial. The most topical book, for example, will be written on a subject of more enduring significance than a reporter's story which was chosen because it was either bad ("If it bleeds, it leads) or what usually does not happen ("Man Bites Dog, not Dog Bites Man"). And will be written on a much longer deadline, which allows for superior research and editing.

Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate


10 posted on 04/15/2007 6:51:58 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


11 posted on 04/15/2007 8:18:29 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: RetiredArmy
With their hiring of all the liberals on the channel now and all their liberal crap. Shep Smith comes to mind. So does the fool Coombs to name a couple. Fox is not what Fox was a few years ago to me.

Shep Smith, who I rarely watched, was there for quite a while before I stopped wasting my money on cable programming. Coombs was there from the beginning, i.e. Hannity & Coombs. They said they were "fair and balanced." Compared to other news sources, I thought they were. They didn't call themselves conservative, but everyone else in the left wing, MSM did as an epithet.

12 posted on 04/15/2007 11:09:27 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Dionne accepts the networks' fiction that their operations are objective and nonideological.

You probably noticed how Barone echoes your own thoughtful principled opinion.
13 posted on 04/15/2007 8:14:08 PM PDT by Milhous (There are only two ways of telling the complete truth: anonymously and posthumously. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: neverdem; conservatism_IS_compassion
"I admire Roger Ailes' genius in building Fox News. I wish liberals could create a comparably powerful network."

Perhaps Dionne was being sarcastic?

Thanks for the ping c_I_c

14 posted on 04/16/2007 6:40:32 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt
Perhaps Dionne was being sarcastic?

Perhaps Dionne was being oblivious? That's his par for the course. He doesn't think the MSM is biased.

15 posted on 04/16/2007 7:38:38 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

I forgot my /sarcasm tag? No excuse. You’re right.

Dionne’s own words here...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/theyre_democrats_not_idiots/


16 posted on 04/16/2007 7:11:55 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt

Thanks for the link. I hadn’t read it. Typical EJ!


17 posted on 04/16/2007 7:40:40 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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